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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 10:43 AM
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CIA Won’t Take the Fall For Bush’s Torture Policies(CIA leaking stories all over DC pointing to WH)
Edited on Wed Dec-12-07 10:48 AM by maddezmom
By: Scarecrow Wednesday December 12, 2007 5:00 am

Even though the White House is stonewalling, the Senate Intelligence Committee held a closed session on the destruction of CIA interrogation tapes, and the complicit Rockefeller emerged to tell us . . . nothing, the intelligence community was leaking stories all over Washington that pointed fingers right into the White House. It looks like the CIA is not willing to take the fall for the President's torture policies.

First, over at No Quarter, Larry Johnson's intelligence friends leaked word that the CIA's recently retired Deputy Director of Operations, Jose Rodriquez, who reportedly authorized the destruction of the interrogation/torture tapes, did not act unilaterally: "He did check with both the IG and the DO’s assigned Assistant General Counsel before destroying the DO’s copies of the tapes." As Larry notes, the NYT article by Shane and Mazetti also reports the involvement of other CIA attorneys in the decision.

The chain of knowledge and approval then moves from the CIA directly into the Justice Department and the White House. We pick up the story from Dan Froomkin at washingtonpost.com:


John Kiriakou, who participated in the capture and questioning of the first al-Qaeda terrorist suspect to be waterboarded, also made clear that every decision leading to the torture of CIA detainees was documented and approved in cables to and from Washington.

more:http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/12/cia-wont-take-the-fall-for-bushs-torture-policies/
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 10:54 AM
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1. but they should be prosecuted for their own actions
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 10:59 AM
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2. I knew it. And fyi, Larry Johnson's timeline (linked at FDL)
Edited on Wed Dec-12-07 11:01 AM by sfexpat2000
is great!

Edit: The timeline has a number of names of CIA personnel who decamped, and is useful for those of us tracking ex CIA going over to private contractors.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 11:06 AM
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4. And, here is the article with the timeline:
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 12:40 PM
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19. and James Comey offers resignation April 2005 and leaves August 2005
I think that belongs in the timeline.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 11:05 AM
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3. Did go go go go Gonzo have a part to play in the destruction of evidence, too?
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 11:07 AM
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5. Count on it.
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 11:08 AM
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6. looks like it
Of course, Hayden just inherited this whirlwind. His predecessors, George Tenet and Porter Goss, sowed it. And to a greater degree, it's the fault of George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Alberto Gonzales, David Addington, John Yoo and John Rizzo, who created a blatantly illegal interrogation program for the CIA to implement. Those on the tapes torturing Abu Zubaydah and Detainee #2 were, loyally, doing what those men wanted. But Tenet must have known that what's on those tapes is evidence of criminal activity. That's a much more plausible explanation for why he stopped taping interrogations. And it's also probably why Rodriguez, with Goss' tacit or explicit consent, destroyed them. If Michael Mukasey is the same man of integrity he was before he became attorney general, he'd call that criminal conspiracy or deliberate obstruction of justice.

http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/004845.php
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 11:22 AM
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12. Goss Was The Trojan Horse...
Despite being Mr. Slam Dunk, Tenet was not totally a boooshie...he was appointed by Clinton and, like Colin Powell, had a little bit of automony on how they ran their shops. When the Plame leak and Abu Graib came forward, it looks like Team Crashcart wanted to "fix" the CIA like they had the DOD. The CIA had long been a pain in Cheney's ass and he wanted someone he could totally control...enter Porter Goss.

While Tenet probably knew and signed off on the torture, it was Goss' job to codify it and remove any traces of illegal actions. Part of this was to create a distraction with the ongoing court trials into habeus...these interogations were to be used in secret tribunals for convictions...and with that option taken off the table by the Padilla suit and others, the tapes no longer could be used to this regime's advantage...and if anything, could now become a liability. Damn right Cheney ordered them zapped...as usual booshie boy said "what unka dick says" and the others were ordered to do the dirty work.

Mukasey is clueless...and my bets are being kept deliberately in the dark. His purpose is to be yet another firewall for this regime...since he's not up to speed on a lot of these scandals, his "investigations" will start from a rolling stop. The game here is to play out the clock and Mukasey is a tool in that process. Even if he attempts to set up an investigation, by the time he gets it rolling, be assured we'll be deep into 2008.

One thing to keep an eye on...and that is the clock. Be assured that any indictments against this regime will be greeted with a midnight pardon on 1-19-09.

Cheers...
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 08:29 PM
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32. Goss is the coverup artist supreme
Edited on Wed Dec-12-07 08:36 PM by starroute
I remember digging into Goss for a thread here when he was first being floated for CIA head. As I recall, he was the "nothing to see here" guy during the hearings on the CIA pushing cocaine in LA and on several other occasions. And then there was his massive purge of the top CIA leadership. I'm sure he was at the center of this torture tape business too.

On edit: Here are those 2004 threads. Boy, it's been a while.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=739904
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2247183

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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 11:59 PM
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36. Mukasey is the least clueless judge in America on this stuff, hence now AG.
Was Padilla arrest founded on illegally obtained evidence, by torturing?
Mukasey is involved in the scandal because this may overturn his rulings.
The junta withheld evidence that courts had requested and ordered preserved.

Very much missing from all this, just as it was from the confirmation process,
is a factual assessment of Mukasey vis-a-vis torture and legal opinions
relating to those who were tortured, including Jose Padilla.

NO, Mukasey is not clueless. Mukasey is in the middle of this in more than one way now!
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 10:48 AM
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43. Padilla was implicated by KSM and Abu Zubaydah, both of whom were tortured
Edited on Thu Dec-13-07 10:53 AM by leveymg
This is a part of the larger pattern of torture and memory erasure that is at the heart of the mistreatment of prisoners in George W. Bush's Global War on Terrorism (GWOT). Indeed, torture is not so much about extracting information from terrorists, the actual result is to reduce the mental capacity of prisoners so that the false history created by the Administration and its stenographers in the corporate media can never be corrected.

PADILLA: SENSORY DEPRIVATION AND PERSONALITY DECOMPENSATION

Jose Padilla's torture has been well-documented. He was subjected to prolonged psyschological torture by sensory deprivation and isolation leaving him in a near vegetative state, unable to recall important events or assist in his own defense. The British press has described what was actually was done to him, and its effects. See, http://www.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Column/0,,1970084,00.html :

Is Padilla really that dangerous? Far from it: his warders describe him as so docile and inactive that he could be mistaken for "a piece of furniture". The purpose of these measures appeared to be to sustain the regime under which he had lived for more than three years: total sensory deprivation. He had been kept in a blacked-out cell, unable to see or hear anything beyond it. Most importantly, he had had no human contact, except for being bounced off the walls from time to time by his interrogators. As a result, he appears to have lost his mind. I don't mean this metaphorically. I mean that his mind is no longer there.

The forensic psychiatrist who examined him says that he "does not appreciate the nature and consequences of the proceedings against him, is unable to render assistance to counsel, and has impairments in reasoning as the result of a mental illness, ie, post-traumatic stress disorder, complicated by the neuropsychiatric effects of prolonged isolation". José Padilla appears to have been lobotomised: not medically, but socially.

If this was an attempt to extract information, it was ineffective: the authorities held him without charge for three and half years. Then, threatened by a supreme court ruling, they suddenly dropped their claims that he was trying to detonate a dirty bomb. They have now charged him with some vague and lesser offences to do with support for terrorism. He is unlikely to be the only person subjected to this regime. Another "enemy combatant", Ali al-Marri, claims to have been subject to the same total isolation and sensory deprivation, in the same naval prison in South Carolina. God knows what is being done to people who have disappeared into the CIA's foreign oubliettes.


ABU ZUBAYDAH: WATERBOARDING AND MEMORY ERASURE

Abu Zubaydah was the first "high value" figure captured in March 2002. He had been at bin Laden's side going back at least to the early 1990s. He ran several major militant training camps on the border between Afghanistan and Pakistan, where he trained thousands of jihadists, including six of the 9/11 hijackers. Zubydah is identified by U.S. intelligence as the author of the plan to attack the USS Cole, and was a key organizer present at an al-Qaeda planning summit held in Kuala Lumpur in early January 2000 at which the Cole and 9/11 attacks were mapped out in detail.

Despite his categorization by US and allied intelligence as a very important al Qaeda leader, and long period in positions of responsibility within al Qaeda, it is now claimed -- rather implausibly -- that he had long been insane. Zubaydah's story, however, has not been adequately documented, as he's had no access to the courts. The primary source for information about his psychological state has come from a book by Richard Suskind, whose sources appear to have spun the story to make it seem that Zubaydah was insane before his capture, in an apparent effort to cast doubt on the details that have emerged about his role as the trainer of six of the 9/11 hijackers. See, http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/12/10/133754/60/799/420257

What has been acknowledged is that Zubaydah was the first GWOT prisoner held by the U.S. to be waterboarded, a form of torture involving partial drowning and the cutting off of oxygen to the brain. The neuropsychiatric effects of partial drowning and oxygen deprivation are well-documented in medical literature. The common results of partial or short periods of oxygen deprivation are dizzyness, disorientation, and memory loss. When blood oxygen levels fall below a certain level, the result is loss of consciousness, death of brain cells, permanent neurological damage, and if prolonged for more than a couple minutes, death. The logical conclusion is that Zubaydah, described as insane by U.S. intelligence sources, suffered lasting psychological and neurological damage as the result of waterboarding and perhaps other forms of torture while in custody. See, tp://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x245566

ALTERING MEMORIES AND THE RECORD

Khalid Sheikh Mohamed (KSM) and Ramzi bin al Sheibh, high value al Qaeda detainees who planned or attended the January 2000 Kuala Lumpur meeting, have also been waterboarded.

Torture, particularly sensory deprivation and water boaring, have spoiled any chance of developing a complete and accurate public record documenting exactly what al-Qaeda was doing, who was directing them, and for what reasons. The effects of torture on Jose Padilla to falsify and obscure the facts, in an effort by the Administration to develop a false history, make this much clear: See, http://www.antiwar.com/orig/worthington.php?articleid=11548

Quite what rubbish was spouted by Padilla during these years of "dependency and terror" – before he lost his mind to such an extent that his warders described him as "so docile and inactive that he could be mistaken for 'a piece of furniture'" – is unknown. His own desperate confessions – and where they led – have yet to be revealed. What is clear, however, is that other confessions, themselves produced under duress by "high-value" detainees held in secret CIA prisons, formed the basis of the "dirty bomb" allegation. According to the government, Padilla approached training camp facilitator Abu Zubaydah (captured in Pakistan five weeks before him) and 9/11 kingpin Khalid Sheikh Mohammed (captured in 2003) with plans for the bomb and was apprehended after Zubaydah identified him to the FBI. Less vigorously reported were admissions by the government itself that both Zubaydah and KSM were "skeptical" about the plot. Other insider comments indicated that Zubaydah actually dismissed Padilla as "a maladroit extremist," telling his interrogators that he was so "ignorant" that he believed he could "separate plutonium" from other nuclear materials by "rapidly swinging over his head a bucket filled with fissionable material."

It's also clear that another man who was picked out by Zubaydah in relation to the same dubious plot – Binyam Mohammed al-Habashi, an Ethiopian-born British resident who was captured in Pakistan a week after Zubaydah – suffered even more severely than Padilla. Rendered by the CIA to Morocco, where he was tortured for 18 months and had his penis repeatedly cut by razors, and then transferred to Guantánamo via the CIA's own "Dark Prison" near Kabul – a medieval torture prison with the addition of 24-hour amplified music and noise – Mohammed admitted to being a part of the whole Zubaydah-KSM-Padilla "dirty bomb" plot, but later explained that he had confessed to whatever his U.S.-directed Moroccan torturers told him to, and had never even met Padilla.

While Binyam Mohammed remains in Guantánamo – unsure if the authorities will release him (as requested by the British government) or will attempt to reinstate the charges against him in a military commission (following their collapse in June 2006, when the Supreme Court judged them illegal, and their reintroduction via last fall's Military Commissions Act) – the "dirty bomb" allegation against Padilla was dropped in November 2005, just days before the Supreme Court was due to look at the legality of his detention. Apparently the administration was unwilling to allow Zubaydah and Khalid Sheikh Mohammed to testify, lest they reveal that they had been tortured.

Unlike in Guantánamo's "enemy combatant" tribunals – and in the military commissions, which the administration is still trying to revive after further setbacks in June – evidence obtained through torture is inadmissible in U.S. courts, because it is illegal, immoral, and unreliable. And however much the administration may try to deny it, the "dirty bomb" allegation is a perfect demonstration of the hole into which the administration has dug itself: a "plot" whose existence was only ever announced through torture – whether of Abu Zubaydah, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, José Padilla, or Binyam Mohammed – that lives only in this world of tortured confessions and cannot be verified in the real world.

Once Padilla's "enemy combatant" status was dropped, along with the "dirty bomb" story ( in marked contrast to Binyam Mohammed, whose alleged involvement in the plot limped on until the Supreme Court struck down the military commissions eight months later), he was charged with the vague, motive-based crimes for which he was eventually convicted. Padilla was then moved to a legally recognized detention facility, where he was located when the photos of the world's most high-security dental visit were revealed in the New York Times.

As a result of the revelations about Padilla's mental state in the Times article, it looked, for a while, as though the trial might not even go ahead. In February 2007, Naomi Klein, in an optimistic report for the Nation, suggested, "Something remarkable is going on in a Miami courtroom. The cruel methods U.S. interrogators have used since September 11 to 'break' prisoners are finally being put on trial." In the end, however, as noted above, District Judge Marcia G. Cooke pulled the plug on the dissenters, and six months later, as Padilla's trial came to an end, it was as if most of the country had succumbed to collective memory loss.

In the week before the verdict was announced, one journalist at least avoided having his mind wiped clean. Warren Richey's three-part series on Padilla, which I quoted from above, revisited, in horrific detail, the systematic mental destruction of Padilla that took place during the 43 months that he was illegally imprisoned without trial and tortured by his own government. As also noted above, however, Richey's was a rare voice in the mainstream media.

Most of the dissenting voices – the ones who realized, with an appalling clarity, that the U.S. government was getting away with torturing its own citizens, and that, in theory, no U.S. citizen whatsoever was protected from similar treatment – peppered the blogosphere. In a shining example of a concerned citizen jolted into a state of near-insomnia by the ramifications, the author of the Talking Dog blog, who has long maintained that the Padilla case is "the most important case of our lifetimes," fulminated that the sweeping aside of an issue that involved "not just our entire Bill of Rights, but the Magna Carta" was effected by a "complicit commercial media won't even tell us what happened."


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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 02:29 AM
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39. Notice we haven't heard a peep out of, go_fu*k_yourself Cheney?!?
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 11:09 AM
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7. No surprises there. Can we get an impeachment now? -n/t
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 11:11 AM
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9. Not until someone gets a blow job.
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Joe Fields Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 11:15 AM
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10. I'll let Bush blow me, if it means we can get to impeaching his sorry ass.
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 11:40 AM
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16. Thanks for taking one for the team. -n/t
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 11:10 AM
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8. I'm sure the fact that they outed an entire front operation isn't helping much either
It feels strange to be on the side of the CIA, because I still don't trust them.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 11:20 AM
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11. This is like a mob war between two other criminal organizations.
The Capo di Tutti Capi is in trouble.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 11:23 AM
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13. I'm proud of the CIA. Today, anyway.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 11:29 AM
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14. They don't want to go to jail here or in any other country where
they kidnapped people to render them to torturers.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 11:38 AM
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15. The difference between today and yesteryear, is that yesteryear they
knew they could bury their secrets for a generation or two. Not any more.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 11:52 AM
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18. That's right. And it can be distributed all over the world in a heartbeat.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 11:43 AM
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17. Nominated for the Post Most Likely to be Woefully Overlooked
in the GD rancor today.

K&R&followed closely.
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donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 02:00 PM
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20. Goss, the Gosslings, the purge, so it wasn't all over the war intelligence?
It was also about torture and probably much more. A good CIA and a bad CIA. One that works for bush and one that works for the country? Then there's also Goss and Foggo and Wilkes and Cunningham and Kontagiannis. Goss chaired the House Intelligence Committee before bush appointed him. Bush really has a knack for appointments.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 02:05 PM
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21. Arguably the most important snetence in this piece: "the Senate Intelligence Committee held
Edited on Wed Dec-12-07 02:05 PM by blondeatlast
a closed session on the destruction of CIA interrogation tapes.."

Amidst the spin and Dana-doll's stupid pressers, let's not lose sight of the fact that someone is looking for answers.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 02:21 PM
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22. all roads lead to 1600 Pennsylvania ave..
so what? do you honestly think congress is going to do anything about it?

do you really think the majority of the mouth breather fox news watching morons are really going to demand a real investigation?

sorry but my jaded nature is far beyond rational thought.

I don't believe anything they say anymore. I don't believe anything the present anymore and I don't believe anything they show anymore.

our once fine (with dents) government has evolved into the grand kabuki theater of bullshit.

we are living the tragic comedy.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 02:27 PM
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23. "torture of CIA detainees was documented and approved in cables to and from Washington" I sure hope
some CIA agent kept copies of those cables!
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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 03:01 PM
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24. I'm kicking to add Mother Jones' Timeline of Bush's War
http://www.motherjones.com/bush_war_timeline/

from 8/90-6/03
very enlightening
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 04:45 PM
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27. thanks for the link
:hi:
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 03:02 PM
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25. ...
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 03:04 PM
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26. But we're not supposed to blame the Nancy Disaster, remember? Impeachment off the table.
Still off the table.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 05:23 PM
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28. Those who sanctioned torture within the CIA should be held accountable, but
Good on them for trying to take chimpy down with them.
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pdxmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 05:29 PM
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29. The WH thinks it's too smart by half, but they won't win against the CIA.
Those folks have probably been reading the labels on the inside of Bush's undies for years, once they realized how far under the bus they would be thrown by the administration. Don't screw with the intelligence community. They have way cooler toys than you do.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 05:30 PM
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30. SO, what are they covering up this time? Must be HUGE!
Did Bush direct Water Torture via live video feed?

Do not believe this is anything less than an HUGE orchestrated cover up!!! Proportional to the CRIMES!!!!!
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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 06:10 PM
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31. I never dreamed of an administration so DARK it makes the CIA seem to be
wearing the white hats and on the side of truth and light.

It's gotten to be a bizarre world since 2000.
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 08:44 PM
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33. We will see. THIS ADMINISTRATION had been guilty of the greatest # of leaks.
The darkest parts of the CIA were operating WITH this administration, not against it.

I still believe this whole charade is just another set-up by this cabal to distract from matters, criminal matters, involving members of this cabal.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 09:57 PM
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35. The RWng matra is now that "harsh Interrogation" saved lives.
They Busholini Govt. has sent the memo to it's minions. This is what will
be heard on TV ad nuaseum. After the New Year this will no longer be an issue.
No one will be prosecucted for this.
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beltanefauve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 03:00 AM
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41. True that!
As heard today on NPR's All Things Conservative:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=17181403

"In 2002, I believed that desperate times called for desperate measures. And we were so convinced that al-Qaida was planning another massive attack that we really felt that we needed to do anything to get the information to disrupt it," Kiriakou tells Robert Siegel.

"In the meantime, we've had five years to develop new sources of information, to improve relations with other countries who could provide us additional information. And I've come to the belief that not only is it unnecessary, but that as Americans, we're better than that and we shouldn't be engaging in a practice like waterboarding."

Kiriakou says that the decision in Zubaydah's case to use waterboarding — or controlled drowning — came after three to four weeks of questioning during which Zubaydah was uncooperative. The ex-CIA officer also notes that the action required approval from the CIA's deputy director of operations.

Despite his opinion now that waterboarding is torture, Kiriakou says he believes that Zubaydah would have continued to refuse to talk if the technique hadn't been used. He also says he believes American lives were saved as a result of the information the CIA learned through the interrogation.
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donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 11:23 AM
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44. What a cartoon he was. How many of the ridiculous color-coded terra alerts
were the tainted fruits of torture? Anybody want to water torture Ashcroft to find out?
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 09:15 PM
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34. ...
kick
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 12:16 AM
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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 02:15 AM
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38. connecting dots: any relationship to release of NIE on Iran?
Supposedly, the intelligence community and some generals were behind the Iran NIE release. Is this yet another strike against the WH by the carrier intell folks? Seems to me they are getting tired of taking hits from the WH/NeoCon/PNAC crowd. Remember, Valerie Plame was one of their own.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 02:34 AM
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40. I remember Porter Goss resigning ASAP effective immediately, who walks off the job and
simply quits in Washington? (nobody) at least not until a replacement has been found, Porter booked out of DC. lickedy~split!!!
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countryjake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 06:53 AM
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