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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 09:24 PM
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"Rapid acceleration in human evolution described" - Reuters 12/10/07
"Rapid acceleration in human evolution described" - Reuters 12/10/07

By Will Dunham

"WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Human evolution has been moving at breakneck speed in the past several thousand years, far from plodding along as some scientists had thought, researchers said on Monday.

"In fact, people today are genetically more different from people living 5,000 years ago than those humans were different from the Neanderthals who vanished 30,000 years ago, according to anthropologist John Hawks of the University of Wisconsin.

(SNIP)

"Many of the recent genetic changes reflect differences in the human diet brought on by agriculture, as well as resistance to epidemic diseases....

"For example, Africans have new genes providing resistance to malaria. In Europeans, there is a gene that makes them better able to digest milk as adults....

"The changes have been driven by the colossal growth in the human population -- from a few million to 6.5 billion in the past 10,000 years -- with people moving into new environments to which they needed to adapt....

"'The central finding is that human evolution is happening very fast -- faster than any of us thought'...."

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http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN1043228620071210


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Scientists of human evolution seem to be always SO CAREFUL to limit their findings to physical evidence--understandable, I guess, since that is the most concrete evidence and safest ground. But the evolution of the human psyche is equally fascinating--and to me, far more so, because all animals eat, many animals use tools and even do some husbandry, all animals are driven to procreate, most care for their young in some kind of family unit; they all have bones, limbs, wings, physical elements that have adapted to environmental change--but none of them, so far as we know, have gods, and fantastical tales of adventure, some of them writ upon the stars (as the constellations); none of them have the Hubble telescope; none of them have walked on the moon; none of them have written a "Hamlet"; none of them have conceived and executed a statue of a saint in ecstasy from the wound of an angel's spear; none of them punish themselves with guilt as we do; none of them have conceived of themselves as the animals chosen by God to have dominion over the earth; none of them have thought of giving all they have to poor and following Jesus; none have burned witches at the stake; none know the circumference of the earth, or have any interest, so far as we know, in recent discoveries of other planets around other suns; and on and on and on.

There is evidence of some sentient characteristics in whales, dolphins, elephants, chimpanzees and a few other species, and we cannot rule out that they ARE sentient, and that we are just too stupid and arrogant to recognize it when we see it (or hear it), but they have not manifested sentience in building atom-smashers, designing elegant Italian shoes and shipping them to the ends of the earth, or drawing a picture of mommy, daddy and kid and taping it to a wall.

OUR manifestations of sentience are so numerous, so concrete, so complex and so seemingly unique, that the study of our minds and how they work, and what they produce, and how they interact with each other, is, to me, the most important thing of all in evolution. WHY do we study evolution? HOW did we ever conceive of evolution? What use is it to us? WHY would we notice old bones, and odd geological formations, and old artifacts, and start connecting the dots? What drives us to do that? Why are all stories prior to the 20th century written about the PAST--often the deep past, events long ago ("once upon a time")--and suddenly, just before and at the turn of the 20th century, SOME stories (science fiction) began to place their narrative in the FUTURE?

So...we are evolving at an extremely fast pace, way beyond that of our ancestors. How is this manifesting in human consciousness? How are our minds, and our psyches, evolving?

Is this the heart of the problem we are having with the "Christian right" and with some Islamic cultures (or elements within them)? Is it that some of us are moving along very quickly in mental and psychological evolutionary change, and others are scared, bewildered, seemingly "stuck in the past"--trying either to drag us all back there, or to warn us of too rapid change (alienation, dislocation)? Is this in some way connected to the explosion of social revolutions in the 1960s, in our own culture here--American culture--in which the young seemed to chuck out everything notion from the past, all at once? Is it connected to the "Red Guard" phenomenon in China? To the various communist revolutions of the last century? WHAT is the impact of fast-paced evolutionary change on the human mind and its vast creative abilities, and its abilities to cope, and on society as a whole?

And--a very important question to me--what impact is fear of losing the planet, our only home--which is also the consequence, or cumulative effect, of rapid human population growth combined with conscienceless global corporate predation--having on us, as individuals, and on our behavior as to accelerating the crisis? (Are the rich panicked, on some deep level? Is that why they behave as irresponsibly and as murderously as they do? Is our consumerism a sort of reverse psychological reaction to loss of resources, and impending doom? WHY are we not conserving our resources? Why do we seem so insanely profligate?)

Well, scientists have become so conservative in many ways that maybe we can't rely on them to address the biggest question of all--is the human race suicidal, and, if so, how do we remedy that, or can we? WHERE is our rapid evolution GOING?

We need to understand this. We need theories and guidelines. We need some bold speculation. This is the first time that I have seen it noticed or acknowledged that we have, in fact, sped up time, in our evolutionary development. There have been a lot of futuristic sociological writings, and a lot of writings in what used to be called "the human potential movement." Perhaps we need to consult all of those writings again, and try some new speculations. With Bushism inflicted upon us, I think a lot of people are feeling quite negative about the future--at least in this country. They don't feel this way in South America, where they are DOING something about their problems, with a new and rather amazing, peaceful, democratic, region-wide revolution--while we moulder in war and massive debt, and let traitors, torturers and mass murderers rip up our Constitution, at the behest of the futurists at Exxon-Mobile.

What do we need to do to start consciously directing our mental and psychological evolution to better ends?
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rAVES Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 09:28 PM
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1. WHY DO YOU HATE AMERICA!!!
:sarcasm:



fascinating though :)
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 10:00 PM
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2. the Neanderthals were an entirely different branch than we sit on, not a reasonable comparison..
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 10:08 PM
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3. That wasn't the comparison made
The comparison was modern homo sapiens have more differences with the 5000 yr. old version of ourselves, than the 5000 yr. old version has with Neanderthals. Meaning they are more closely genetically related to Neanderthals than we are to them.

Big difference if we are more highly evolved from our most recent ancestors, than they are from an earlier iteration of the specie.
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Thothmes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 08:26 AM
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12. Comparison
I had heard that a couple of years ago, genetic analysis of Neanderthal DNA indicated sufficient DNA difference to make them a separate species from H. sapiens. That is Homo neanderthales, vice Homo sapiens neanderthales. Is the DNA difference from H. sapiens 5000 years ago and modern H. sapiens so sufficient as to reconsidering species assignment of the current Homo population?
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MedleyMisty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 10:18 PM
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4. You are my new bestest friend
Edited on Tue Dec-11-07 10:45 PM by sleebarker
Thank you so very much for this post. It's what I've been thinking about as well.

I've been doing a lot of research into moral development and Maslow's theory of self actualization and Dabrowski's theory of positive disintegration and stuff like that.

Here's the basic wikipedia article on Kohlberg's levels of moral development to get others started if they're interested.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kohlberg%27s_stages_of_moral_development

Also this is a good link to help answer your last question.

http://www.lucifereffect.com/guide.htm

I'll be back to this thread with more thoughts and to see what other people think.

Or it looks like I might be sending you a PM. I have noticed that long-ish and thoughtful and intelligent posts don't get a lot of attention here.
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Wiley50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 10:20 PM
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5. For starters, I think Peace Patriot should start more threads
"What do we need to do to start consciously directing our mental and psychological evolution to better ends?'

Thanks Peace Patriot


-one of your many secret admirers
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 10:49 PM
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7. This is what we've been telling Peace Patriot for two years.
K&R, even though PP missed "Mongoose Hamlet." ;-)

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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 10:21 PM
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6. This does not explain Bush.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 08:46 AM
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14. Or the 30 something percent that still support him.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 11:24 PM
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8. Kick. (nt)
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Champion Jack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 06:26 AM
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9. KICKED for later
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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 08:17 AM
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10. It needs to hurry up. I want telekinesis.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 08:25 AM
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11. Evolving or just living longer?
Looks to me like humanity is devolving intellectually.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 12:29 PM
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15. Well, what does living longer do to the human psyche?
A 20 year old living in Shakespeare's London could look forward to living for, what? 10 more years? 20 more years? A 20 years old living in many places today can look forward to living twice that long. That is a huge change, with huge impacts on an individual and on society.

As to humanity "devolving intellectually," it depends on who you talk to. Knuckledraggers, or astronomers? Bushites, or smart, green, solar panel engineers? I think we get this impression of the stupidity of humanity from the war profiteering corporate news monopolies, who have a stake in our seeing ourselves as stupid sheep.

Also, there are some things that we just don't see, because they are so pervasive--in the background of our environment. Universal literacy, for instance. Free public education--for all its problems and faults--in all of the western world and on the increase in the third world. This is UNPRECEDENTED in human history. Another background phenomenon: the internet. Its growth has been astronomical, extremely fast-paced. This connectedness among humans around the world is also without precedent. Not that long ago, it took 3 to 6 months for a letter to circle the globe. Now it is instantaneous, among BILLIONS of people. With sound and video, if you want!

Where did I go for information in the leadup to the Iraq War? To Russia, to England, to Asia! To Iraq itself. To the UN inspectors' reports, right in my own home, not filtered through the war profiteers' news media. I'm sure that's why they installed the rigged voting machines.

As we get smarter, the Dark Lords have to improve their methods of control.

Another background phenomenon: the stars, the great universe. Do we really grasp how significant it is that we can look to the very edges of this immense universe? Or DNA mapping, my God. These are immense new powers of the human race, and they, and other, vast leaps in knowledge and understanding have happened in a VERY SHORT period of time, compared to other human advances in the past.

On the other hand, long ago, ordinary people learned to memorize things at a young age--long poems, songs, treatises, multiplication tables. Our intelligence may be impaired by the electrical networks in our brains that have NOT been activated by the rhythms of long poetic passages, or the feeling of security from FIRMLY knowing something--or maybe our intelligence is just different--dependent on gadgets and collective memory banks outside of ourselves, yes--but thus more flexible, more wide-ranging.

One thing I would be wary of is evaluating human intelligence by focusing on the least intelligent among us. There has always been a discrepancy of numbers on intelligence, with a few often being in advance of the many. Our more egalitarian society, and the corporate media's portrayal of who we are, may cause us to miss a lot. For instance, did you know that Hugo Chavez is a really intelligent guy, very well-read, largely self-educated, a brilliant politician and a passionate democrat with a small d? The corporate media portrays him as a thug and a "dictator." Thus we get the impression of the "brown hordes" of the south as sort of sub-human people, easily led, not very smart. Total illusion of the corporate news monopolies. They don't want you to know that ordinary Venezuelan citizens are actually a lot smarter than we are, have created an election system that far surpasses our own in transparency, and have repeatedly elected a government that is seeing to their interests, in a very smart way.

We need to try to understand for ourselves what is intelligent, and what isn't. Fostering the intelligence and creativity of all of Venezuela, with a vastly improved and extended school system, and free education through university--which the Chavez government is doing--is intelligent. Impoverishing people and denying them an education is stupid.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 01:19 PM
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17. There's no such thing as "devolving". Evolution isn't directional so there's
no way fordward or backward. It's just change.
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B3Nut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 04:15 PM
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21. Sure, there's de-evolution... see Q. Are we not men?
A. We are DEVO!

:D

They tell us that
We lost our tails
Evolving up
From little snails
I think it's all
Just wind in sails.
Are we not men?
We are DEVO!

Nay, but seriously, brethren, that is a great record. :)

Todd in Cheesecurdistan
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 08:28 AM
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13. K&R
A bunch of us (IRL) were discussing something along these lines the other night.. it started with "the world is changing too fast" then went to "the world is changing too fast for some people"...and got into - "it's more than that - it's people are changing too fast for some people...some people don't seem to evoloving - or adapting - to the rapid changes - as fast as others"

and the person who said this didn't mean it as a slur or hyperbole but actually not adapting to fit the changes/the evolution of ideas/body etc.

Thank you for this thread!!!



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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 01:08 PM
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16. Medical science is also affecting evolution
People who should've won the Darwin Awards are brought back to life and are able to learn from the experience.
Near Death Experiences were once a rare phenomenon.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 03:37 PM
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18. Kick. (nt)
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 03:51 PM
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19. Oh my God! Science!!!!!
Can't wait to share this with the 6000-yr-old-earthers.

Thanks.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 03:57 PM
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20. I wish science education would evolve.
Jesus, what a dumb article. Upregulation of lactase has likely been around since well before the advent of agriculture. Sickle-cell anemia... well, OK, it's probably only 2,500 years or so, but we're still talking about random mutation, not some sort of Lamarckian evolution.
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 06:04 PM
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22. Fundamentalists: The New Neanderthals
Bwahahahahahaha!!!! That would explain SO much.

Yes, it is apparent they would very much like to drag the rest of us back to the 12th century. Is genetic testing in order or available to see if, in fact, they are less evolved?
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 12:31 AM
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23. Kick. (nt)
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