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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 07:31 PM
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Huckabee asks if Mormons believe Jesus, devil are brothers
http://www.kutv.com/content/news/topnews/story.aspx?content_id=2da2fab5-a89c-46a8-8c70-1bacd19a9db3

Republican presidential hopeful Mike Huckabee, an ordained Southern Baptist minister, asks in an upcoming article, ``Don't Mormons believe that Jesus and the devil are brothers?''

The article, to be published in Sunday's New York Times Magazine, says Huckabee asked the question after saying he believes Mormonism is a religion but doesn't know much about it. His rival Mitt Romney, the former Massachusetts governor, is a member of the Mormon church, which is known officially as the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

The authoritative Encyclopedia of Mormonism, published in 1992, does not refer to Jesus and Satan as brothers. It speaks of Jesus as the son of God and of Satan as a fallen angel, which is a Biblical account.

A spokeswoman for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints said Huckabee's question is usually raised by those who wish to smear the Mormon faith rather than clarify doctrine.

Romney did not respond to a request for comment.

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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 07:31 PM
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1. Don't Christians believe that Jesus and the devil exist?
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 07:34 PM
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2. Huckafuck was inbred.
:)



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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 07:35 PM
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3. Alright! Dueling religious nutbags! This is gonna be fuuuuuuun. n/t
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 07:37 PM
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5. It is, isn't it?
It's a game of Whose-Almost-Identical-Religion-Is-Stupider. Somebody has to come out a clear victor.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 07:36 PM
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4. You beat me by a minute on posting this! He is REALLY overplaying his
religion cards. That's a deliberate smear. I have said before, he can't control his mouth. That will be his downfall. Well, and releasing rapists and murderers. And being a religious wack-job.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 07:37 PM
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6. No, but they do believe that after the Resurrection, Jesus came to America to preach.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 07:38 PM
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7. So they believe Joseph Smith is Jesus? LOL
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 07:39 PM
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9. Just his number one best bud.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 07:41 PM
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10. Oh is that it?
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 07:42 PM
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13. Nah. Unrelated. Joseph Smith was given the Book of Mormon on magical plates
Edited on Tue Dec-11-07 07:42 PM by Occam Bandage
by the angel Moroni, as well as a special pair of magic eyeglasses that would allow him to decipher it. Jesus went to America to preach to the lost tribes of Jews there, which we call Native Americans.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 07:50 PM
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looks like confussion fusion to me there. LOL
Edited on Tue Dec-11-07 07:51 PM by lonestarnot
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 07:39 PM
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8. As opposed to going to Jerusalem after the Resurrection.
That's much less sillier.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 07:41 PM
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11. One involves an insane violation of the laws of physics.
Edited on Tue Dec-11-07 07:44 PM by Occam Bandage
One involves an insane violation of the laws of physics, and ignores historical technological and navigational capabilities, as well as anthropological history.

The second has the disadvantage of being ridiculous-sounding to most people. So if we're to push against adaptation of wacky religious fundamentalism, I think it would be best to get people to admit how ridiculous Mormonism is, and then to ask why Christianity is more appropriate.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 07:43 PM
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15. Mm, not really.
If you're going to violate physics, navigation is rather trivial.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 07:46 PM
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18. A man coming back to life is ridiculous.
Edited on Tue Dec-11-07 07:46 PM by Occam Bandage
A man coming back to life to preach to a group of nonexistent people on the opposite side of the world (who had themselves made the journey centuries earlier) is twice as ridiculous. And, as I added, the second has the disadvantage of being ridiculous-sounding to most people. So if we're to push against adaptation of wacky religious fundamentalism, I think it would be best to get people to admit how ridiculous Mormonism is, and then to ask why Christianity is more appropriate.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 07:50 PM
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20. I disagree.
They're both equally ridiculous.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 07:57 PM
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22. Equate what you like.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 08:51 PM
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27. No, Jesus coming to America does NOT violate the laws of physics
Because Jesus can fly, dude.
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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 07:50 PM
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21. Actually they believe he appeared everywhere on the earth after his resurrection
not just America but every corner of the earth.
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MnFats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 07:42 PM
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12. here we go! get ready for presidential candidates giving their "testimony."
it's gonna be who was lost and who got saved in the most dramatic, touching way!
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SheWhoMustBeObeyed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 07:43 PM
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14. Gonna make any Clinton-Obama squabble look pretty minor
Like a snowball with a chunk of ice in the center, Huck's mudball packs a big cross inside. Ouchies!

:rofl:
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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 07:45 PM
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16. How could a God create everything and they not be brothers?
Edited on Tue Dec-11-07 07:45 PM by FreeState
How could God create Jesus and the Devil - from the same source - and they not be brothers??? Are they both not his creations? I thought God was the creator of all?

(Im LDS and actually the church teaches every spirit that GOd has created are brothers and sisters, from the poor man in the Gutter to Bill Gates - and yes that would include Satan/Devil/Lucifer )
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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 07:49 PM
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19. That is not a Mormon cartoon - its like a KKK film and has no place here
in fact it has been highly criticized by almost all major religions as bigoted. Posting it here is no better than posting a link to a KKK film IMO. Its offensive and uncalled for here.

http://ldsinformationstore.com/Apologists%20Resources/The%20God%20Makers/Anti-Defamation%20League.htm

Had a similar movie been made with either Judaism or Catholicism as its target, It would be immediately denounced for the scurrilous piece that it is. I sincerely hope that people of all faiths will similarly repudiate "The Godmakers" as defamatory and untrue, and recognize it for what it truly represents - a challenge to the religious liberty of all.


http://www.adl.org/PresRele/ChJew_31/5013_31.htm

ADL Condemns "Mormon-Bashing" DVD

Phoenix, AZ, March 27, 2007......The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) condemned the distribution of an anti-Mormon DVD by the organization Concerned Christians as nothing more than "Mormon-bashing."

Bill Straus, ADL Arizona Regional Director, observed: "This is the same kind of plain, old-fashioned Mormon-bashing that Jim Robertson and his group have been spewing for over a quarter-of-a-century. The only difference is that back then, it was the film, 'The God Makers,' and today it's the DVD, 'Jesus Christ/Joseph Smith.' It was wrong then, and it's wrong now."

ADL Regional Board Chair David Bodney added, "Hate directed at any of us is hate directed at all of us. From whomever that hate comes, and to whomever it's directed, ADL takes it very seriously and will continue to speak out against it."
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ben_meyers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 08:06 PM
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23. This is all starting to sound like the Wellstone-Boschwitz
good Jew bad Jew bull crap in 1990. Just shut up about your personal beliefs.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 08:53 PM
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28. Thank you.
Actually, I enjoy a good theological debate. But it's a huge distraction from what we should be talking about: ending the occupation, restoring the Bill of Rights, and creating decent jobs. Religious doctrines solve none of these things.
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 08:32 PM
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24. Nutjob vs Nutjob...
My invisible friend can beat up your invisible friend...I look forward to hearing Huck ask Mittens about that lost Jewish settlement and those golden plates.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 08:44 PM
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25. Straight from the pages of hate literature.
That's a common line used in anti-Mormon hate literature produced by evangelical churches. Huckabee is going for the jugular. This is why Romney will never win a single Southern State.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 08:49 PM
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26. Huck about to lose his virginity. If he wanted to satisfy his curiosity, he could've read up.
The point is to smear. What an asshole.
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