"Flat feet" ... The Brokaw deferrment (and many other prominent men's choice of deferrment)

[SoCalDem]

1968-The Brokaw version ran tonight..

Mr "Button-down-collar" Brokaw immediately reminded us tonight at the beginning of his special, about his own reason for not going to war..

I started wondering about so many of the "elites" of our current world...all those 50/60-somethings who are very quick to mention their "high number" or their "flat feet" or their "bad eyesight".. Very rarely do they claim to remember that "high number"..(If that number had kept ME from being drafted, I would remember it)...and those poor aching feet ended up being just fine for football, golf, tennis, skiing, running ..

Have you ever met many (any?) poor young men whose feet didn't pass muster at the physical? I knew a guy who was colorblind, and the navy was happy to have him , and military men all over the bases I lived on as a kid, seemed to be wearing those lovely black-rimmed glasses the military handed out like halloween candy.

I'm thinking that "flat-feet" and some of the other classic deferrments, were just a wink-wink-nod-nod way out for the "2nd-tier" young men whose Dads were well-connected, but not quite a congressman or senator.

The city attorney's kid, in my town, didn't go....neither did either dentist in town send their boys..the high school principal's son got a deferrment..

Even all these years later, when the pillars of society recite their histories, their war deferrments are often italicized (in print).."flat feet".."anal cysts".."bad eyesight"..etc..

Decades later, they still cannot admit, even to themselves..that their family pulled strings to keep them out.. Is it guilt ?? or shame?
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http://www.podiatrists.org/enewsroom/news/news2007/thefoot/Such%20Power.pdf
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Not all feet are created equal, what with high, normal or flat arches, wide or narrow widths, and differences in flexibility. But most experts now believe that an athlete, a dancer or a soldier can excel with their natural-born feet, no matter what their shape. What gives great athletes and performers an advantage probably has more to do with muscles throughout their bodies — not to mention passion and discipline. Some people have high arches, and with them, the benefit of going on point, or up on their toes, in ballet. But dancers can pay a price for the artful beauty of a high arch if it's rigid. The whole foot is less supple, less able to absorb the shocks of use and overuse. "Over time, if you're not adjusting to the shock and overusing the stiffness of your foot, you can get arthritis in the feet and ankles," says SooHoo.

The perfect ballet foot, says Kadel, is defined more by its flexibility than its arch.
Before medical school, she studied dance at the Martha Graham School of Contemporary Dance in New York City. For the 200th anniversary of the Brooklyn Bridge, she was part of a troupe that danced across the structure. "Some people with flat feet have very flexible feet and can go on point. With any sport, or dance, there's a beautiful combination of factors: a genetic pedisposition, a passion for the sport, and a drive to work really hard," she says. "I never want someone to think, 'I can't dance because I don't have the right kind of foot.' If you love to dance, you'll find a way." The flat foot, once all that was required for a 4F deferment from the draft, has been given the go-ahead for military duty, thanks in part to studies showing it is no more prone to injury than other types of feet.

A 1985 study in the journal Orthopedic Review looked at the feet of 287 men and women who were Israeli Defense Force trainees. Those with high arches were almost four times more likely to suffer stress fractures. A 1999 study in the American Journal of Sports Medicine followed 449 trainees, equally divided into groups with high, normal and low arch height, at the U.S. Naval Special Warfare Training Center, and found no differences in injury rates.

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Now let's revisit some republican chickenhawks & their "war records"

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0434,robbins,56166,1.html

The Sunshine Patriots

The GOP's champions of this war had a hard time finding their own way to the battlefield

by Tom Robbins
August 24th, 2004 10:40 AM

George W. Bush
President
Age 58
Born New Haven, Connecticut, July 6, 1946

Military service Texas Air National Guard 1968–1973 (Removed from flight status in 1972 for failing to take annual flight physical. Honorably discharged in 1973.)

Quote "I was not prepared to shoot my eardrum out with a shotgun in order to get a deferment. Nor was I willing to go to Canada. So I chose to better myself by learning how to fly airplanes."
........................................................

Dick Cheney
Vice President
Age 63
Born Lincoln, Nebraska, January 30, 1941

Military service None

Reason Four student deferments and one deferment for married men with children.

Quote "I had other priorities in the '60s than military service."
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Bill Frist
Senator, Tennessee; Majority leader
Age 52
Born Nashville, Tennessee, February 22, 1952

Military service None

Reason Student deferment (Princeton 1974).

Quote "We must stay the course, keep true to our principles, have faith in our armed forces, and know that history, in the end, will be on our side."


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[Swamp Rat]

1. Don't forget anal boils

:D

[tabasco]

2. Lots of people got drafted with anal cysts too.

Five-minute operation at the Army Medical Center.

Limpbo must have been bawling his eyes out with his doctors' letters.

[liberalnurse]

15. I think that boil on his ass

has MRSA! :scared:

[Tikki]

3. Well, Mr. Tikki had "flat feet" and he got drafted....

Actually he had bone deformities in both feet.
The U. S. Army gladly received him and put him in a special "built up" pair of boots.
They slapped a profile on him...didn't have to march as long as others....didn't have
lift as much weight.

We were married at the time he was drafted...but no kids.


The Tikkis
p.s. his family was anything but rich or prominent.

[SoCalDem]

5. A football player at my high school went to his physical on crutches.. they took him

He had a broken leg from a football injury, and they just told him to report back when he got the cast off.. he ended up at Pleiku..

[AspenRose]

23. Same for my dad.

Flat feet defense didn't work for him.

[Bozita]

4. I had a critical skills deferment. My wife was pregnant. Still they came.

A woman with age ran my local draft board. NOTHING satisfied her.

I had the letter from my employer. Marriage certificate. OB/GYN letter attesting to the pregnancy.

Even after all this stuff was in my file, she still made threats over the phone.

[SoCalDem]

6. Too bad you did not choose a congressman/senator to be your Daddy

If I recall, most of our local draft board were "businessmen"...all white and probably all members of the Country Club..

The boys from the "north side" had few options..

[SoCalDem]

7. Congressman's report from 1967..(very interesting read)

http://www.library.arizona.edu/exhibits/udall/congrept/90th/670403.html

April 3, 1967
Vol. VI, No. 3

The President of the United States, Greeting:

In my personal scrapbook I have a tattered letter dated September 18, 1942. It begins with that famous preamble: "The President of the United States, To Morris King Udall. Greeting: Having submitted yourself to a Local Board composed of your neighbors for the purpose of determining your availability for training and service in the armed forces..."

Eighteen days later I was Private Udall, No. 39850679. Thus began for me a four-year hitch in Uncle Sam's Army and Air Corps. It was hectic, disruptive, rewarding. I survived it, with no lasting brain damage and few regrets.

TATTERED LETTER WITH A FAMOUS PREAMBLE
Since America was shoved into a world power role 50 years ago, Selective Service has been, in times of need, a harsh but necessary instrument. It has prompted serious, recurring and often bitter argument. When Congressional old-timers recall dramatic debate, they always mention August 12, 1941, when a 203-202 House vote saved Selective Service from immediate expiration and may have changed the course of World War II.

Since then a generation has gone full circle. My oldest son will be required to register just next year, while this year his father takes part in a debate to determine the kind of draft law that will govern him and millions of other fathers' sons.

AREAS OF DISPUTE

Unless Congress acts by June 30, the government's authority to draft anyone will expire. In some form or another it will be extended -- almost everyone agrees on this. But the 535 Representatives and Senators have almost that many ideas of what changes should be made.

In 1967 two million young men come of draft age. If we needed all of them (as in World War II) there would be few problems. But even with Vietnam we need only one million, or fewer. So the tough questions are: Who is taken when not all are taken? Who goes, and who does not? And when?

As the debate rolls through the halls of Congress and around the country the chief criticisms of present law (and proposals for change) really boil down to about six or seven. I'd like to take a "nutshell" look at these arguments, summarize the rebuttals one hears, and share with you my present, tentative thinking on each of them. Then I'd like to get the benefit of your thinking on these same questions. More about that later. Here are the main criticisms I hear to the present draft law:

EQUALITY FOR ALL -- BUT ARE SOME 'MORE EQUAL'?


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[Lasher]

8. I was drafted in 1969 before there was a lottery.

My wife was pregnant. I wonder how the draft board decided who to pick.

[MonkeyFunk]

9. Brokaw's father

was a construction worker with the Army Corps of Engineers. I'm not sure he was an "elite" at the time.

[SoCalDem]

16. Not "elite" then..but perhaps his daddy knew the right people

and called in some favors.. It happened all over the place back then..

there were many small colleges all over kansas that suddenly "had no room" for kansas boys who might have gotten in before.. why? they were all of a sudden "full- up" with boys from Connecticut, Maryland, New York, New Jersey, Maine, Massachussets.. we high school girls kind of liked the idea of dating a rich guy from back east ( I did it too :(..a guy named Joby something, the 3rd from Massachussets).. These guys had bad grades and could not get into colleges back east, so daddy or grand dad paid a shitload of money to send them to Kansas Wesleyan in Salina Kansas.. B & C student, local boys who might have been able to live at home and work to go there, now had even THAT option shut off to them.. they had nowhere to hide..and even the jobs they might have gotten, often went to the easterners, since they knew no one, and having a job at a kid hangout, meant meeting people...

[Sanctified]

10. The guy avoided the draft he should be given a medal not ridiculed.

Seriously, no man should be forced into service to his country where he has to kill and die for something he does not believe in. If you don't have enough volunteers for a war chances are it's not worth fighting for.

[Bozita]

11. I think of Dubya. I think of Cheney. Then I think of the Swiftboaters.

How any vets align themselves with Bush/Cheney simply blows my mind.

[Sanctified]

12. I think of my children and I think of Iran and how how I would do anything

to prevent them from having to go kill and die in some foreign country just so a bunch of asshats can bring about the rapture.

[Ikonoklast]

32. T. Boone Pickens and a shitload of $$$$$$

He bought those Swift Boat Liars three for a dollar like they were on sale at K-Mart. He needed oil to go up, and was one of Cheney's punks.

And they have to live with the shame that they sold out a fellow vet. I hope the fact that they were used to help start a war where soldiers died for a lie, just like Viet Nam, and it eats their guts out like burning acid every minute they draw breath.

[Whisp]

36. and on hearing those names, I think of Flat-ulence. nt

[SoCalDem]

13. I am NOT defending the draft..

just pointing out that not all deferments were "equal"..

[sarge43]

18. It isn't about avoiding the draft.

It's about beating the war drum, expecting other people to do the dirty work. It's the call of the Yellow Chickenhawk.

[SammyWinstonJack]

38. ...

:applause:

[bluestateguy]

14. My father had a bogus medical excuse

His family doctor also happened to be on the draft board. He was classified as medically unfit, but he would have had a student deferment through 1970 anyway. His numbers between 1970-72 were too high to be called anyway.

He opposed the war from the beginning anyway, so I don't see any hypocrisy.

[symbolman]

17. I had flat feet, and they took me without a whimper :)

Bad eyes too, got a nifty pair of those REALLY Cool glasses you mentioned, and sure enough did not get laid for a YEAR .. Longest period of my Life without a Woman :)

My dad was a fighter pilot during Korea, but had perfect eyesight, but I wasn't allowed to fly due to my near sightedness... Interestingly enough I share the EXACT same birthday as Jeb Bush.. Our draft number was 25.. Or around those parts, I guess having a LOW number makes you forgetful too..

I served. USAF Crome 1971 to 1974.. Gave my two week notice and quit, but that's another story..

One thing I do recall is the physical, where the doc has a single test.. He held his fist next to his eye, and made a motion with his forefinger, like he was pulling a trigger, and said, "Can you do THIS?"

That was the physical.. :)

[msedano]

19. What was Clinton's excuse?

I held my nose to vote for that draft dodger. Twice.

Between the end of the Involuntary Draft in 1968 and the commencement of the Lottery Draft in '70 was a period when there were no deferments. It was open season on Democrats. I was married in Aug68, in grad school, and got my "Greeting:" for Thanksgiving. After furious negotiation my induction was postponed until Jan69.

Cheney and Clinton were both eligible to be plucked in the same period.

Not that I'm complaining. I knew then I would survive no matter where the military put me. Besides, if not me, who?

Here's my story, in words, in pix:

http://labloga.blogspot.com/2007/11/veterans-day-salute-to-kid-from-basic.html

http://readraza.com/hawk/index.htm




recommended.

[sarge43]

20. To answer a question with a question

How many combat deaths occurred on the Big Dog's watch?

This career noncom would much rather have a CinC is careful and concerned about the troops under his/her command than some blood thirsty poser who treats them like toilet paper.

However, to answer the question. He was eligible for the draft, but you knew that, didn't you.

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[sarge43]

40. Somalia was Bush I's going away present to President Clinton.

SOP for Clan Bush to leave a FUBAR for someone else to clean up.

Again, how many US service personnel were killed in Bosnia?

What draft deferment was this and no I'm not wasting my time plodding through rightwing hate sites? You tell us - what deferment? This also begs the question - what is illegal, immoral or fattening about a deferment per se?

[msedano]

41. passive construction flees from truth

"were killed"? you mean, of course, how many soldiers did clinton kill with his, what did you call it, "moderate" CinC policies? methinks before you switch your posture you revisit your first stance and own up to it.

please, do not plod thru rightwing hate sites, i'd hate to see you grow more confused. do your research to satisfy your curiosity. how many dead GIs would be ok with you, one, one hundred, one thousand ordered to war by a big jerk who would not go himself?

the word is plural, how many draft deferments? the only question begged is the one you're asking, again trying to find solid ground fleeing from facts. what i typed was "cheney and clinton were both eligible to be plucked". why do you fear the imputed fact that clinton took deferments? my question relates to the "flat feet" excuse and other phoniness. i had deferments from the time i turned 18 until i was drafted at age 23. then the involuntary draft ended and selective service plucked my ass and away i went downrange. nothing 'moral' or 'illegal' or 'fattening' about it. i did have to laugh the night before i reported for induction. some cowboy asshole rear-ended my vehicle then sped away into the cowardly night with a shouted, "fuck you, four f!"

ok, don't get all in a dither over your inability to do your own work. i couldn't find anything at the clinton library website, though i could suggest you do an FOIA request for that. here's a source to warm the cockles of your heart, though i fear you'll call it a right wing hate site as a way of avoiding the factual basis:

this is from those assholes at PBS who literally whitewashed the history of WWII...
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/clinton/etc/draftletter.html

now read the entire piece and get back to me and tell me what you think of clinton's words especially the part where he refers to his deferment. here's the sidebar:

After one week of answering questions about allegations of draft-dodging and one week before the New Hampshire primary, a letter surfaces in which a young Bill Clinton thanks a colonel for "saving me from the draft."Clinton defends the letter and questions the motives of his accusers. (2/12/92)

all that being said with no animosity to you personally, only your poor attitude and unthinking defense of the indefensible. now drop and give me 20.

[sarge43]

45. You know what is sad about your misplaced angry toward

President Clinton is that he had the same opinion about the draft as you did.

By the way, the first person singular pronoun and proper names are always capitalized. The Shift key is your friend. That will cost you thirty.

[timber84]

29. *heh*

:popcorn:

[MonkeyFunk]

39. Clinton was never drafted

thus, by definition, was not a draft dodger.

Nice pile of right-wing talking points you've got there.

[Alexander]

43. Clinton didn't start bloody, endless wars over nothing...

And he made it clear he was against Vietnam and didn't want anyone to fight over there.

A world of difference from the Republicans who wanted everyone to fight in Vietnam and Iraq except themselves.

[SpiralHawk]

21. "I had OTHER priorities." - Dickie Cheney

the chickenhawk republicon darling who got a record-breaking five (5) military deferments, so he could pursue his "other priorities" (massive war profits by lying us into a phony war).

[DeanDem10]

22. Brokaw's version was about him and his stereotypes...

Brokaw admitted partway into the special that most young people were not represented by the extreme drugs and "free love" depiction. But he still went on talking at the boundaries. He didn't mention that many of us took on adult responsibilities quicker back then. We married right out of college, had children, jobs, and responsibilities. He didn't talk about the millions of average college kids who, while often opposed to the war, handled their opposition differently. Some universities major upheaval, some had short "shutdowns," but most had none. However, even at most of those having none people cared about what was going on. There was more engagement, despite all the techie devices we have today.

Other themes are similar. There were major administration deceptions (Gulf of Tonkin). Many lost faith with the Dems (Humphrey was a sell-out; the Chicago Convention showed rampant abuse of power and Humphrey was tacitly complicit.) And he paid by tainting his own coronation. I remember feel sick to my stomach as I had to vote for the man in the general election. And I wonder if that will happen to me in the GE 2008.

Though Brokaw briefly covering McCarthy, he gave short shrift to the Clean for Gen among us who were willing to take a chance BEFORE Bobby Kennedy was willing to take the risk. McCarthy actually wanted Bobby to run, but Bobby wouldn't. So Gene did.

As one of the Clean for Gene crowd, we (my husband and I ) were there at the Gene MCCarthy HQ on primary night. It was a tough, sometimes bitter campaign, but we too were moved, stunned, and saddened over what was transpiring at the Ambassador. After hearing the announcement, I still remember us all poring out of the ballroom, into our cars, the long ride home, and staying up all night watching TV.

And don't you love how all manner of so-called MSM try to give the impression that (we) women's libbers all burned their bras because of that one bit of footage (one scene)that won't go away. What a joke. They cost too much! :-) (Note how quickly My Pet Goat footage got buried, except by Michael Moore).

The biggest criticism I had was that while Brokaw properly reported that Chicago was a police riot, he didn't show sufficient footage to convey to those not there (or watching in horror at home back then), how truly awful it was.

The original "Where Were You in 1968" presented by NBC a decade later in 1978, was different. It wasn't about Brokaw. It was about celebrities looking back. And, while still painting with broad brush strokes it didn't stereotype and manipulate the viewer who wasn't there) as much as this newer one.


Brokaw is pretty audacious to try to characterize and generalize about a motley generation which actually defies stereotype.

[DeanDem10]

24. Should have said...

It wasn't about celebrities looking back and the empty chat with them. Who cares? All we get is celeb "news." Show the footage. Cut the chat.

[Retrograde]

25. all those "spoiled, rich kids"

"And don't you love how all manner of so-called MSM try to give the impression that (we) women's libbers all burned their bras because of that one bit of footage (one scene)that won't go away. What a joke. They cost too much! :-) (Note how quickly My Pet Goat footage got buried, except by Michael Moore)."

That was the segment that irritated me the most - especially with Rabinowitz opining that the early feminists were all spoiled, self-indulgent rich kids - class traitors, as it were (would she have her job with the Wall Street Journal if it weren't for those spoiled brats?).

1968 was in many ways a seminal year, and not just because I was there :) I was in high school at the time, and starting to become politically conscious. There was definitely more engagement then, I think because (in no particular order):
1) there was only the main stream media. The 3 networks had to serve a larger, more diverse population than their counterparts today, and tended to be more even-handed and middle of the road.
2) the news was not as obviously censored. Another thread mentioned the burning monks on the TV news, but we also saw the bloodshed in Viet Nam, and the coffins coming home
3) the draft made it personal. Unless you had pull or a lot of luck, there was a good chance that if you had a Y chromosome you were going into the military. Draft boards were all operated locally, and they were the ones who granted deferments based on their own arbitrary criteria, which is why some deferred for medical conditions that others thought were perfectly acceptable. The lottery was established later to bring some attempt at consistency across the country.

I don't blame Brokaw for trying to avoid the draft: most young men I knew tried to get out of it however they could. I have no respect for chicken hawks, though.

[bluestateguy]

33. I saw it last night too

And the thing is that the "spoiled rich girls" were probably more likely to be the Miss America pageant contestants. Pageants have always been an expensive hobby for daughters of the wealthy.

[KurtNYC]

26. the Chicago riots section was especially poor

and much of the piece separated cause from effect and instead used the likes of Pat Buchanon to spin away the push for real democracy that was 1968.

A far better documentary is "Berkley in the Sixties" which makes a great case for the 1950s being the prime root of all the civil rights and anti-Vietnam crusades of the 1960s. Kids were told how great America was supposed to be in the 1950s so in the 1960s they tried to make the country live up to its ideals. And they used the tools of democracy to do so.

[DeanDem10]

27. In many ways, I wouldn't want to go back, but...

In many ways, I wouldn't want to go back, but...the passion, commitment, and REAL audacity of hope was exemplary. Not that everything about the era was (exemplary). But the so-called rift among boomers is really between the GOP-Cons and the liberals of that day, especially those most bitter about the country's standing up to Richard Nixon. They have spent their lives getting even. And they were the ones who were wrong.

A lot of the culture war stuff tended to resolve itself. Except for the not-so-minor part about the Cons figuring out how to imprison those ensnared by the "drug war." That the legacies of that era fill the majority of prison beds today is a tragedy. And it keeps playing out among other generations too. The prison industrial complex "must be served."

Don't the Buchanan's have anything constructive to do? Aren't you sick of seeing his face all over MSNBC. Outside of Olbermann and Abrams, is there a morsel of objectivity at NBC? "Balance" isn't served by dishing up the ones most likely to have a chip on their shoulder. Ditto for the Grinch from the Wall Street Journal.

[DeanDem10]

28. Unresolved issues

I do agree with Ellen Goodman, though. Her column of last week suggested another reason there are 60s related tensions is that many of the issues have never actually been resolved. And for those, wishing they will go away or simply dissing an entire generation (as one candidate seems to) won't work. The unresolved issues need to be met head-on. We can do much better with respect to civil liberties, racial justice, redesigning government to meet citizen needs instead of those of the bureaucracy. We can emphasize peace makaing more than war making. And we can take on the long list of other ongoing problems.

[SoCalDem]

47. That was a great documentary and there's another just called "1968" (I think)

Brokaw's a bit late to the game, and the stuff he threw together could have been gleaned from watching movies and TV.. He offered nothing enlightening or new..

He's just trading on his name and apparently has been signed to the "book of the year" writers' club..

He was on Charlie Rose tonight and admitted that he was born in '40, and was already married, with a kid in 1968, so HE was a "weekend" Boomer.. an observer...not a participant..

He offered a faux-lamentation that the left and right were poised to shift the country, but the "left gave up"..and the right took over..

He stopped short of telling the truth..

Many on the right were CLONES of their parents, the ones IN CHARGE.. they were never a threat tp the establishment..they WERE the establishment..only younger..

I think that "protest fatigue" just set in.. There were too many issues for the general public to grapple with, and after '68, when the violence stepped up and the war ground on and on, people just got tired of it all..

The true-believers splintered into their own small groups and kept fighting the good fight, but like all left wings, mass support of everything was never gonna happen..

The people who were against the war but ONLY that, were not necessarily in favor of "women's lib", or the racial strife, or the tactics of the Weathermen or the SDS or the SLA or the Black Panthers..they were OK with young blond hippie girls handing out flowers, but they did not support setting fires, or bombing buildings..

[Arkansas Granny]

30. Actually, my son's flat feet almost kept him out of the Navy when

he enlisted. He finally convinced the doctors that he was born with flat feet, that they ran in his family and that they never caused him any problems. They relented and he passed the physical. Since reentering civilian life, however, he has had to have surgery on both feet to correct the problem.

[King Coal]

31. Anybody who had anything on the ball avoided the draft.

We didn't have the internet, we had the Reader's Guide, but we still knew what time it was. I had a student deferment and then went down and had my status changed to 1A so I only had to go through the lottery once. I drew a 303. Two of my friends did the same thing. One got a 308 and the other got a 6. The one with the 6 went down and joined the Navy the next day, and spent the next 3 years carry the milk for the galley on a ship. The he got caught with heroin, on purpose, and got a general discharge which turned honorable in a short time because he stayed clean of drugs. I didn't want to be drafted because I didn't want to get killed in order to line war profiteers pockets. Period.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

34. I don't blame anyone for trying anything to get out of that meaningless meatgrinder of a war

I don't blame Rush, Bush, and Cheney for sitting it out. I DO blame them for sweeping it under the rug, pretending to be patriotic blowhards, becoming warmongers, and now telling others to go fight another war for the corporations.

[dsc]

35. Great post but one note

Being color blind is actually an advantage not a disadvantage as far as the military is concerned. It helps you see through camoflague. My dad was color blind and in special forces.

[SoCalDem]

42. My friend longed to be a pilot, but could not..but he loved the navy

and spent his time in Rota, Spain instead of Viet Nam

[dsc]

44. It would make being a pilot a problem

since you might need to tell colors of buildings apart etc.

[sarge43]

46. Color blindness also is no-no in the mechanic and electronic

MOSs. Unhealthy not to be able to tell a red wire from a green wire.

[dsc]

48. true cut the green wire doh not the red one

[sarge43]

49. Oooops, instant discharge. n/t