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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 02:25 PM
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The Coup Against Bush and Cheney

http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn12072007.html

Tragedy of the Ridiculous White House
The Coup Against Bush and Cheney
By ALEXANDER COCKBURN

The one thing a president cannot afford to be is ridiculous. This week George Bush lurched into that fatal category and into the true twilight of his presidency, festooned with all the traditional discomfitures. Senior aides and close advisors parley with literary agents and find compelling reason to quit the White House and spend more time with their families. In public even the First Lady seems to edge away from her stricken mate.

The latest, fatal instrument of Bush’s public humiliation is the National Intelligence Estimate proclaiming in its unclassified version that Iran stopped trying to build a nuclear weapon in 2003, thus deliberately, with humiliating clarity contradicting Bush and Cheney’s unending invocation of the Iranian nuclear threat. For months the blathersphere has quivered with predictions of a coup here in the US coinciding with an attack on Iran. The bit they got wrong was that their supposed perps turned out to be on the receiving end and the coup was aimed at preventing such an attack.

Now, in theory an NIE represents the objective consensus of 16 US intelligence agencies on matters of national security. In practice it is a useful guide to how a bunch of bureaucratic knife-fighters assess the balance of forces in Washington.

In 2002 Bush and Cheney were strong enough to ram their dire assessments of Iraq’s WMDs into the infamous October, 2002 NIE that began with the assertion that “We judge that Iraq has continued its weapons of mass destruction (WMD) programs … if left unchecked, it probably will have a nuclear weapon during this decade.” The 2002 NIE gave this prediction a “high confidence” rating, while appending a dissent from the State Department’s Intelligence Bureau.

The cover story for the recently released NIE on Iran, with its u-turn on previous assessments, is that new information suddenly became available. In practice this means that in the late summer senior intelligence officials figured the consensus in Washington and Wall Street Iran against an attack on Iran was powerful enough for them to lower the boom on the neo-cons. The latter have now retreated in disarray to their bunkers at the Weekly Standard and the National Review for a last stand, bellowing that it’s a filthy plot by peaceniks in the State Department. Actually, it is, in part, exactly that. It strikes at the neo-cons and it strikes at Israel, which has staked much on firing the US to attack Iran.
“It’s no secret,” snarled the National Review “that careerists at the CIA and State have been less interested in implementing the president’s policies on Iran, Iraq, and North Korea than in sabotaging them at every opportunity.”

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BelgianMadCow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 02:30 PM
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1. Revenge is a dish
best served ASAP with these criminals.

Thanks, slad. I figured as much,
hadn't seen it in print.
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PetrusMonsFormicarum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 02:37 PM
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2. BushCo Endgame
Newt Gingrich used "coup" as well this morning on Russert's show, calling the NIE a "coup d'etat by the bureaucracy". I can't stand Newt, but I think he hates BushCo. even more than we do.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 02:54 PM
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4. how is it a coup if Bush is still in the WH?
I don't follow Newtie.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 02:48 PM
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3. K&R. (nt)
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 03:08 PM
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5. COUP, noun, a brilliant, sudden, and usually highly successful stroke or act
A brilliant, sudden, and usually highly successful stroke or act seems more than this event.

Use of coup d'état is excess hyperbole (extravagant exaggeration such as “mile-high ice-cream cones”) by a less than adroit (having or showing skill, cleverness, or resourcefulness) hyperbolist.
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 03:22 PM
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7. I think it had more to do with undermining the policy
More of a tactical response by the intelligence agencies to the strategic maneuvering of public opinion by the executive branch in order to achieve their goals.

A 'coup' maybe, in that it effectively destroyed that path by completely undermining the propaganda being spread by the neocons and their enablers.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 09:22 PM
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21. Yes. This is lacking in the "highly successful" attribute ... eom
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 03:20 PM
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6. Blah
The Intel community didn't support Iraq, and Bushco didn't "ram it through"...

The world and a goodly number of us screamed for an end to the insanity, and we were told we had a right to our opinions, but they didn't matter.

Bushco has just as good a chance of attacking Iran or Venezuela before(or if) they leave, and since they did it on flimsy pretenses before, don't expect anything more imaginative this time around.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 03:24 PM
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8. Bushco didn't "ram it through"...??????
Edited on Sun Dec-09-07 03:26 PM by seemslikeadream
:shrug:

Is there a war going on in Iraq right now?


http://powerofnarrative.blogspot.com/2007/04/living-under-guillotines-blade.html
Imagine you see a man on his knees, arms outstretched, with his head resting on a wooden block. Ten feet above his head, the sharp edge of a guillotine blade hangs suspended. The blade is held back by a rope that is visibly frayed and weak. It appears the rope might snap at any moment, and the blade will descend to plunge through the man's neck. Blood will spurt over the platform on which the guillotine sits, and the man's head, brutally shorn of the rest of his body, will thud onto the darkened platform below, onto the wood stained with the blood from earlier victims. This scene has been enacted many times before.

One aspect of the drama playing out before you is exceptionally strange. No one is forcing the man to remain on his knees, with his head calmly resting on the block. He could get up and walk off the platform at any moment. Yet he doesn't. He appears to be entirely unconcerned about the fatal danger above him, the blade that hangs there with infinite patience, silently waiting for its moment. There are others watching this scene with you. Some of them, like you, shout out warnings to the man. Still he does not get up. You and the others have been unable to move the man, or to disable the blade. Only the man on the platform can save himself. He won't. He stays on his knees, with his head on the block. With every moment that passes, the rope holding the blade back weakens. You know, as the man himself knows, that the rope will break eventually.

Yet he stays there. Warnings continue to be shouted; he continues to ignore them. The rope frays still more. Some people in the gathered crowd finally leave. The tension had become unbearable to them. But you and a few others remain. Surely, you think, the man will get up eventually, before the rope breaks. Why would he remain there, when he knows that will mean his certain death? And still he doesn't move.

The minutes pass, and turn into hours. Nothing changes. The man remains in position. The blade waits. The only unknown is the precise moment when the blood will begin to flow, the moment when another life will be brutally destroyed, as so many have been destroyed before.

You feel compelled to remain, and to watch. You are unable to turn away. Death hangs in the air.
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 03:34 PM
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11. Yes, but the phrasing suggests that there was some sort of acceptance
Bush finished reading "My Pet Goat," got his marching orders from Cheney, and a War occurred.

"Ramming it through" would suggest that some sort of legal process was involved, when in fact the King gave the order, and enough ______(insert undesirable adjective) people thought to benefit from the king's actions.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 03:41 PM
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13. "Ramming it through" would suggest that some sort of legal process was involved,
I would not agree with that statement at all.
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 03:52 PM
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16. Alright, since you didn't say why
how about:

"Ramming it through" suggests that there was some sort of process that required approval by some sort of entity that might have been able to stop it from occurring.

I don't recall a great deal of real pushback, myself.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 04:06 PM
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17. No pushback that's very true
I guess we just have different definitions of ramming :hi:
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 04:51 PM
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20. I'm a pest about phrasing, especially in politics
the way you frame a POV greatly affects how an event is perceived. That's one reason I tend to jump all over people here that parrot the lie that "Bush Won in 2000 and 2004 because ______."

Bush DIDN'T win. Bush DOES NOT have the mandate of the people. Gore and Kerry both ran successful campaigns, and there's nothing wrong with democratic ideas and people wanting them implemented.

All of that gets negated when someone says or implied that Bush won either race. That's why I made the point to the OP that the intel community was NOT onboard for the Iraq invasion- remember the yellowcake and the centrifuge tubes and the "mobile weapons labs"? Similarly, the "rammed it through" seemed to convey that the whole debate was something other than Kabuki.

So, yeah, I tend to nitpick, but war and the run-up is worth nitpicking about, IMO.

:hi:
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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 03:30 PM
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9. K&R and send them packing!
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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 03:33 PM
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10. General "Not on my watch" Fallon is to be congratulated
Centom Commander in charge of ME operations flatly said US will NOT be attacking Iran .. "not on my watch" ..
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/16/fallon-carrier/

A quiet behind the scenes mutiny, is a mutiny never-the-less...

BTW, this is the same General who called Patraeus an "ass-kissing little chicken shit"
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 03:38 PM
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12. A Coup D'Etat in America
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/11/4/04233/2962

History will mark this as the moment sanity began to flow back into the halls of power.

To publish this kind of scathing critique in all four US Military Times magazines, on the eve of the most important election in modern American history, will go down as the boldest statement our military has ever made.

Make no mistake - this is as close to a coup as we have ever seen in this nation.


Richard Carlucci's diary :: ::
The military has seen enough, and it is obvious that they will not allow our fuck-up of a President to take this country any further along the path toward destruction. In that editorial I see not just a repudiation of Rumsfeld, but of the entire war. The entire foreign policy.

Read between the lines, friends, and you'll see that our armed forces have drawn a line in the sane. A line between sanity and insanity. Between truth and lies. Between what duty requires and what loyalty to this country will not allow.

The war is OVER. Our military commanders are refusing to follow Bush over a cliff, and they have put their foot down in order to stop this train wreck.

Read their words closely - for we can all rest assured that each and every one was chosen very, VERY carefully.

The message is clear in this passage from their letter:


Meanwhile, colonels and generals have asked their bosses for more troops. Service chiefs have asked for more money.

And all along, Rumsfeld has assured us that things are well in hand.



They're telling us that the Administration has lied to us the whole time about EVERYTHING. And the Generals will not tolerate it any longer. They will not remain silent while more of our nation's finest die for a lost cause - for a failed policy - for a doomed war effort.

The military has spoken. They have made their demand.

I would not want to be George W. Bush on a good day. And I certainly would not want to be him for the next four days. No doubt the White House is calling in back-up plumbing specialists, because the Administration is collectively shitting bricks as we speak. I would be, too, if I were them.

And yet I have confidence. This is the best news of the election cycle, as far as I'm concerned.

I am certain, my fellow Americans, that our generals agreed on a plan for what to do if Bush refuses their demand long before this editorial was written. It gives me comfort to know that someone with our best interests in mind is now in control.

I never thought I'd see the day - not in this country. God help us all if Bush refuses.

::::

I say this not because I want to be alarmist. Of course I am a bit, but these days you can't afford not to be. No, I say this because the content, nature, and timing of this letter are simply unprecedented.

I don't know what effect our generals intend, and I don't know what response they intend either. But I DO know that our generals, unlike our civilian leaders, don't launch into uncharted territory without a plan.

And they don't make demands like this..... well, EVER. So something is afoot.

The President has a choice. He either submits to the demands of his generals, and the coup will be official. Or, he refuses. What they intend to do about that I don't know, but you can bet it's something. And at the very least the political ramifications will be catastrophic.

If Bush refuses, it will set the stage, at a minimum, for impeachment. Perhaps this is what our generals intended. Methinks they may be signalling a willingness to attest to high crimes and misdemeanors, if not high treason, if the Democrats ask their opinion.

But whatever their intention is, we have a genuine crisis on our hands. And not just a political one.
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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 03:43 PM
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14. Yes. I never thought I'd see the day I was rooting for the CIA and the Joint Chiefs
mutiny against an "elected" ... make that "selected" sitting President... but as the Chinese say .. "interesting times"...
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 03:49 PM
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15. And the Chinese know how to fight wars also
Edited on Sun Dec-09-07 03:52 PM by seemslikeadream




23. If fighting is sure to result in victory,
then you must fight, even though the ruler forbid it;
if fighting will not result in victory, then you must not
fight even at the ruler's bidding.



SUN TZU ON THE ART OF WAR
http://www.chinapage.com/sunzi-e.html
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alllyingwhores Donating Member (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 12:32 PM
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29. Link to "scathing critique in all four US Military Times magazines"?
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LearnedHand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 11:28 PM
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32. Quoted text exceeds DU copywrite rules
Hi, seemslikeadream:

Please remember that DU copyright rules require that excerpts of copyrighted material be limited to four paragraphs. Thanks.

Moderator
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 04:10 PM
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18. "Blathersphere"?
"It's no secret"..no it's not a secret..it's called "Sanity".

It's so nice that fascist rag, the national review, is trying to keep the insane monkey and his snarling grinder, afloat.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 04:32 PM
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19. Good for the careerists at the CIA and State Department. Finally.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 10:04 PM
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22. K&R dream!
Edited on Sun Dec-09-07 10:05 PM by autorank
The coup theme is a great one. The loyal opposition consists of factions in the government and ex government and military officers. Those folks plus the people are the true opposition.

"Management" is experiencing a civil war - the rational versus the demented. After the rationals save our lives, which they have with this release and when Brzezinski and Peter Pace nixed the first Iran invasion, it's our turn to clean up the mess and institute a realistic approach to governance - no private campaign contributions, honest elections, shared burden tax code, just for starters.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 10:05 PM
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23. It's not a coup when two mass-murderers are exposed as traitors.
Releasing the negative Iran-WMD NIE makes clear monkey and crashcart no longer can command the Pentagon to do their perversions.

That also means the insane warmongers won't be enjoying a handy bombing when the world starts to look at all the filth they've managed to keep hidden for seven years.

May the day of justice come soon. May the trials will be televised, as well as the sentencing and other phases.
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liberalla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 04:45 AM
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25. "May the day of justice come soon. "
Amen! I do NOT want to see this swept under the rug.

Televised trials, sentencing, etc. - now that's "must watch" TV.
It's absolutely necessary for justice and healing in this country.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 12:15 AM
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24. This is all well and good, but what is our strategy to reestablish habeas corpus, the rule of law
and the Constitution. Don't forget Karl Rove is loose out there. And the corporitists have lots and lots of money. We need to keep the pressure on and never let up. They won't. Just because Bush and Cheney are lookin bad don't mean the Neocons are done. They will hitch their stars on someone else, maybe Big Gulie or Sen Clinton. Be vigilant, keep fighting, help replace DINO's.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 05:30 AM
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26. Bushler and Cheney lost their evil brain.
Edited on Mon Dec-10-07 05:30 AM by Swamp Rat
LOL! :rofl: Now, they are fucking up EVERYTHING they try and do. :D


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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 06:27 AM
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27. An air strike against Iran is still real possible.
Israeli Govt. is still beating the drums of War. If they attack & Iran counters the Busholini Regime will defend Israel The War would be devastating to all in the mix.
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halobeam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 11:55 AM
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28. k & r
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 01:28 PM
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30. Now I expect an airstrike between 11/08 & 1/09 out of sheer petulance.
We will never launch a ground invasion or initiate any kind of regime change like we did in Iraq. But I can see Cheney hissing in Bush's ear, "History will absolve us. You'll thank me later". Even with the NIE report which clearly shows the intelligence community refusing to let the neo-cons bully them again, it would surprise me if Bush didn't use his authority as Commander-in-Thief before the clock runs out 1/20/09. It would be out of character for them to not fuck up in such spectacular fashion.
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 02:08 PM
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31. There's a pattern here..The Nukes on the B-52, the NIE Report...
People are waking up.

People on the inside are doing what they can to curtail the madness.
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