In high school, when black kids sat together at lunch, it was always deemed "separatist".....

[marmar]

.... Never mind that white kids all sat together at lunch. I guess the onus was on the black kids to diversify the lunch tables. .....

Sadly, I see the double-standard still applies. Oprah must PROVE that she's not supporting Obama exclusively because they share the same "race" (a phony construct in itself, but that's another topic for another thread). But the same is not asked of Thom Hartmann (pro-Edwards) or Sean Penn (Kucinich).

Scrolling thru DU this morning has been quite a downer. :cry:

[MADem]

Yeah, go ahead and ignore all the people who say that Oprah can do whatever the hell she wants.

Christ, the glass is always half empty, and things are always JUST TERRIBLE.

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[hlthe2b]

6. ?????????????????????????

:eyes:

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

8. ??????? x 2

:wtf: MKJ

[marmar]

13. And you were free to ignore this post.....

:eyes: Jee-zus.

[Cha]

18. No, doesn't seem to

be able to ignore trying to cheer you up, mate!

[MADem]

22. And you're free to ignore mine. Keep that glass half empty now. NT

[MADem]

1. .

[BeyondGeography]

2. My favorite was Obama is playing the race card by doing two Oprah events

in a state that's 97% white.

[Kahuna]

21. Say wha???

:rofl:

[knitter4democracy]

4. I entirely agree.

I always thought that was weird when I was teaching. If the African-American kids chose to sit together at lunch (which I totally understood--nice to get a break and be yourself for a bit), it was considered problematic. But if the white kids did, it was considered normal. I had a black student who refused to take my AP English class because he didn't want to be surrounded by those kids every day in class. I couldn't blame him after the day a few of them ranted about how the school was "going downhill" because of all those "ghetto" kids. Ugh. I hated that group.

[glowing]

14. And there lies the problem... nice to get a break and be by yourself

for a while... Sad that we look at any American as groups.

[acmavm]

5. Seriously, the onus wasn't on the black kids. It was the fact that they were

generally not wanted at the white lunch table. And it was reciprocal.

The times were times of meanness and ignorance.

[hlthe2b]

7. Interesting thinking back to the horrendous days of high school...

My best friend was black. She was new to the school-- one where African Americans represented a pretty small minority in my school. I wonder if I would have had the nerve to invite myself to a table of black students... I doubt that I would have--anymore than I would have invited myself to the table of the extremely rude "cool clique."

High school can be a really tough and sometimes poisonous environment....:shrug: Unfortunately, lessons learned there can be long lasting...

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

10. My HS in Albuquerque, NM was pretty well integrated, although, sadly,

looking back, the one racial group that was probably the most ostracized were Native American kids. :cry:

If I could back, I would call out the crap. At the time, I thought they preferred to keep to themselves, stupid kid that I was.

MKJ

[acmavm]

12. Native American kids are still isolated to this day.

[Cha]

19. Ahh, Sweeties...I'd

like to hang with them.

[malaise]

16. We had no racial problems at school in the Caribbean

What's more we visited classmates homes and went to their parties. Race was a non-event. We faced more class problems.

[acmavm]

11. I went to a grade school and a junior high (for 2 years) that were 95%

black so my experience was very different from others. But before that, and after, I went to schools that were predominantly white. Including a private Catholic girls boarding school for high school (thanks to one of my Mom's crazy relatives). While at Horace Mann and Howard Kennedy Grade School I didn't have to worry too much about that kind of shit. But my friends outside of school and the ones in other public schools did. And they did not, and I mean not, fraternize with the black kids. Some of them because their parents would have been appalled. Some because it just wasn't done.

Me, I'm just friggin' glad that I didn't have that shit to deal with. Never having been faced with that situation, I don't know how I would have reacted. I do know that the monied relatives on both sides of my family would have been appalled to know we (my brothers and sisters) were so 'ignorant' about keeping to our own color. But since we were on the poor end of the family tree, they didn't bother with us. In fact, we were pretty well ignored. (Long story made short, my dad abandoned us when I was ten. His Momma hid him out. We were poor, blah, blah, blah.) The ultimate irony? When my dad got sick and down and out, I took care of him for 7 years. Ain't that twilight zone material????

Anyway, that was the times. They were just plain mean and nasty times. And don't fool yourself, black people in some ways aren't any better of now when it comes to being seen as equals. The discrimination is alive and well to this day.

[flashl]

9. Psst. America IS de facto segregated. n/t

[malaise]

15. Isn't it hilarious and sad at the same time?

I remember a white girl at our office in New York decades ago asking me why three of US - two Afro-West Indians and an Afro-American male always went to lunch together. I laughed and asked her who she had lunch with daily.

It's only OK for the 'Friends' types.

[Cha]

17. Perk up, marmar! Just be

Happy you're who YOU are..cause that's Fantastic!

The same question could be asked of hillary's supporters only it's not on "heritage" ..it's on Why the fuck are you are supporting her?"

[EFerrari]

20. It has been a downer but it also got me thinking.

You know, I was raised in Silicon Valley before it was Silicon Valley and when there were fruit orchards all over. When I was a kid, I didn't even KNOW my town was segregated. An eight year old can't drive and there was no bus system and my mom worked all the time, so I never saw much outside of my neighborhood.

I didn't know that on the other side a town there was a whole 'nother set of schools for the Latino kids and the very few black kids. No clue at all.

There were three Latinos in my elementary school. The other two were a brother and sister and their family worked in the fields. But their grandfather managed to buy an orchard and he let us play on his dirt. Kid heaven. He also built little bridges over his irrigation ditches that we used to get to school.