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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 10:31 AM
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Poll question: Will paroling rapist who went on to rape & murder sink Huckabee candidacy?
It's kind of weird, every time a GOP contender looks like they are about to break out of the pack, they either turn out to be far less than advertised (Thompson, Romney), or their skeletons fall out of their closet (Guiliani, Huckleberry).

If you don't know the rapist story, as governor, Huckabee intervened to encourage the parole of a rapist because the anti-Clinton crowd wanted it since one of the guy's victims was a distant Clinton cousin.

The request would have been chilling even if Huckabee hadn't complied.

Will this sink his campaign?
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 10:36 AM
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1. I'm hoping his GOP opponents will make frequent mention of it during
the next couple months.

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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 10:40 AM
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2. There will never be a "President Huckabee"
It just sounds stupid.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 02:03 PM
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12. but we have a president who actually IS stupid
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 02:23 PM
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15. Yes, but his name is pretty straightforward and doesn't sound silly
Edited on Fri Dec-07-07 02:34 PM by YOY
As stupid as the man may be. The name "George Bush" sounds like the kinda guy Johnny-sixpack would want to invite to his barbecue to discuss their new "hemi". So does "Bill/Hillary Clinton", John Edwards, Fred Thompson, and maybe even that "EYE-tallian feller" Rudy Guiliani. (As an Italian American I am never surprised by the xenophobia of my fellow midwesterners and southerners.)

"Huckabee" sounds like the kind of guy in the office you try to avoid. Stupid voters can be swayed that way... Sadly the name thing has been used against Obama (Osama Barack??? He's one-a them thar Muslims!!!) already...I can just imagine someone calling Kucinich a Russian Commie (He's Croatian American.)

Never underestimate the stupidity of people in large groups.

Note: I don't think this way but I've seen it where I'm from.

Just as there as never been a president with the first name "Spiro".
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 04:09 PM
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16. ''Huckabee'' sounds like one of the guys that thought Ned Beatty had a purty mouth in DELIVERANCE
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mntleo2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 10:44 AM
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3. I Heard ...
...on Dan Abrams that the rapist was attacked and his testicles were cut off ~ though I am not sure if that was after the first rape or the consequent rapes and murder. If it was after the first rape and before the other ones, what does that say about castration and how it works? And was this even true???

Cat In Seattle
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 02:19 PM
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14. Yes, that happened and it's even a worse story. The DNA from the 1st. rape, the
distant cousin of Clinton, did not match Wayne DuMond's. He was charged based on the victim's identification and out on bail. He was 'kidnapped' from his house and castrated with a piece of wire and a razor blade (I think, it's been a long time)and almost bled to death. Later the testicles were on the local sheriff's desk in a jar. DuMond succeeded in a lawsuit against the sheriff. He was then convicted of the rape and went to jail. After his release, he went to Missouri and it's there that he was convicted of the second rape and murder.
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 10:52 AM
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4. No, because it doesn't matter to his base. They are the 'Christian evangelicals' who only care that
Huck is 'one of them' and will push for overturning Roe vs. Wade and a Constitutional amendment to outlaw gays.
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 10:52 AM
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5. RWers took parts of Bill Clinton's "letter" out of context to show his "disdain for the military"
but here you have Huckabee's actual letter of praise to the rapist ... who raped "a cousin of Clinton" ...

Boggles the mind ...
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Donald Ian Rankin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 11:00 AM
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6. It shouldn't.
It was an error of judgement, but - unlike many other things about Huckabee - not a good reason to oppose his candidacy.

It is inevitable that if you release anyone on parole, some of them will go on to reoffend.

The allegations that Huckabee's motivation in parolling Dumond was to get at Clinton are unsubstantiated to say the least (FWIW, I suspect that he genuinely thought that it was appropriate to parole Dumond, but that he did so as a result of paying more attention to conservative sources than the evidence they could adduce deserved, just because they were conservative and he trusted conservatives. That's pure guesswork on my part though, obviously - the truth could be either more or less sinister than that).

The reason Huckabee ought not to be president is what he'd do if he got in, not a single high-profile error of a kind that it's inevitable the system will produce some of.

Separation of Church and State, Abortion, gay rights, Iraq, the economy, Iran, education etc are all good reasons to fight Huckabee tooth and nail. The Dumond case isn't, I think
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 11:25 AM
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7. The Dumond case tells a lot about Huckabee--bad judgment, easily
Edited on Fri Dec-07-07 11:39 AM by wienerdoggie
swayed by others, his willingness to deny justice for an innocent rape victim in favor of granting mercy to a repeat violent offender, his cold-blooded political calculating that led to the parole board's decision rather than a commutation for which he would be held responsible. You are aware that he held that parole board meeting illegally, with no stenographer present? That was to cover his tracks--he KNEW that getting Dumond released would be politically unpopular. Huckabee wanted to play God--he let some criminals, even murderers, go free and executed others, based on whether they had sufficiently "found Jesus" like Dumond claimed to have done. The power of his office really, really went to his head, and combined with his religious zealotry, led to a disaster. Innocent women died because of his direct interference with the justice system. And now he lies and blames everyone else for it, and attacks anyone who even dares bring it up. I don't know how you can defend this at all, or claim it won't have any bearing on a presidency--this guy would be absolutely FRIGHTFUL in office, for many reasons, but the Dumond case pretty much sums up what a sneaky, stupid, immoral bastard he really is.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 04:12 PM
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17. ''cold blooded political calculation'' but not quite cold enough
If he was colder, he would have realized it could come back to haunt him someday.
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riderinthestorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 08:27 PM
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22. Huckabee denied an abortion to a mentally retarded girl, raped by her stepfather
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb5244/is_199608/ai_n20976416

This was one of his first acts as governor of Arkansas - he even violated Arkansas laws by blocking this abortion. Huckabee's moral compass isn't screwed on straight - Dumond, this case and others demonstrate his real failings as a religious political zealot.

As a rape crisis advocate/counselor, Huckabee sickens me with his abortion positions. Then you add on everything else PLUS his aw-shucks personality, and I believe we have another GW Bushmonster candidate....
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 11:27 AM
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8. He also paroled a guy who killed a woman, raped her dead body, ran over it with his car
Edited on Fri Dec-07-07 11:33 AM by cryingshame
and then dumped the body in the bayou.
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Donald Ian Rankin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 08:09 PM
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20. How many people who didn't reoffend did he parole?

Everyone who paroles large numbers of people is going to parole some who reoffend. Did Huckabee have a higher reoffence rate than other people in equivalent positions? If not, it's not fair to hold that against him.
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justgamma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 11:29 AM
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9. Depends. Was the rapist a good Republican? n/t
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 11:32 AM
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10. It's fatal. This case won't go away. The mother of one of the victims promised
to campaign against him (and I don't blame her). We might not see the effects right away, but it will erode his support even among Republicans. And this isn't his only scandal. I don't even think he will be a VP pick--he's a dead duck, it's just not apparent yet.
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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 11:35 AM
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11. Oh indeed it will
Even the Freeptards have disavowed their role in getting the rapist/murderer released, and rejected Huckabee--the rabid base is gone. It's over for the Huckster.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 02:13 PM
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13. Republicans secretly hate women. Rape victims "invite it".They will not care.
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trashcanistanista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 04:33 PM
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18. I voted no. This will enhance his candidacy. The only
thing that will sink him is if the scholarships he created to help the children of illegal immigrants becomes front page news. That, is too liberal a thing to do for his crowd. If it hits msm he is finished.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 04:57 PM
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19. Sean Hannity showcased the Dumond case on his program and had
Huckabee come on and try to explain it--he lied and spun through the whole interview, kept blaming the Clintons. He even suggested that he should be the nominee to go against Clinton BECAUSE of this case--in his twisted brain this case HELPS him defeat Hillary. Sean was not especially receptive to Huck's bullshit. Neither were some of his callers. This will kill Huckabee.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 08:10 PM
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21. Can you say: "I'm Mitt Romney and I approved this message"
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 08:40 PM
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23. Fox Noise is Mr. 911 Central. Huckster will be savaged there.
He might be the VP nominee for Mitt, if Jeb declines.
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ShaneGR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 08:53 PM
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24. I hope he wins the Republican Nomination
Because he's just about the only one of the Republicans Hillary Clinton can defeat easily, if she wins the nomination. A Huck win would provide a safety valve.
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