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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 07:05 PM
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Why some of us are so ambivilent about Robert Bryd
First, I want to say, I respect Byrd's position on the war. I respect his postion on the line item veto. I respect his clear and abiding love for and knowledge of, the US Senate. But I don't respect his hatred of gays.

http://www.oprah.com/tows/vintage/past/vintage_past_20010727_b.jhtml

"Like a Science Fiction Movie"
Oprah: We welcome you to the show, and appreciate your coming back to town to do it, Mike. Do you remember the day at the pool? What happened?

Mike: I went for a swim. It was very hot and that's basically it, we went for a swim.

Oprah: And what happened? Did you notice other people reacting to you?

Mike: Not 'til I got inside the pool, and the lifeguard recognized me and they kind of ran, like people do on those science fiction movies, where Godzilla walks into the street or something. They kind of ran.

Pool Politics
Oprah: Mike entered the swimming pool and the mayor ordered the swimming pool closed. The mayor is here; Mayor, to this day, do you think you did the right thing?

Mayor: If there's just one chance—if there's just one chance in a million that somebody could catch that virus in a swimming pool, I think I did the right thing. I contacted the newspaper, which let everybody know that there was an AIDS patient in the pool. Then I contacted the State Department. Of course, they said I overreacted, and that they felt the pool should be opened. But everybody in the community knew that there was an AIDS patient in the pool, and they could use their own judgement, if they wanted to go in or not.

Rumors Lead to a Social Death
Oprah: How were you treated, Mike?

Mike: Like an outcast. I was afraid to go into restaurants. As a matter of fact, I went and spoke to the manager of Food City after . The police came to my sister and told her that they had heard rumors of me spitting in salad bars and if it wasn't stopped that something would have to be done with me. So I definitely was shunned and left to die.

Oprah: Explain to us how life was for you here.

Mike: I went through a social death. I stayed in a back room a lot of the time at my sister's apartment, and pretty much laid around and just wished that I could hurry up and die. I had nowhere to go. Every time I got out, people looked at me and followed me around and screamed at me and pointed.

Oprah: Did people every try to cause you physical harm?

Mike: No. I never encountered that, other than at the pool, people were screaming and pointed, 'Why are you letting him get away? We've got him here, why don't you lock him up now, while we've got him, and—'

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Can you imagine the level of pure fear and hatred that would lead to this behavior? Can you imagine going home to die and dealing with that? I remember this story quite well. I was 19 at the time and coming to terms with the necessity of telling my family I was gay. I also was dealing with the fear that someday I would, not could, not might, but would, become infected with AIDS. I knew if I got infected I would just end it all. I was determined not to be the next Mike. Luckily it never came to that. It turned out that condoms and discression combined to make many gays able to survive the plague physically unscaved.

What has this to do with Robert Byrd? Well, at the time this was going on he was quoted as saying that AIDS funding was unimportant because there were no gays in West Virginia. He wasn't just some old crank or young nut appearing in Oprah's audience spouting off hateful nonsense. He was Majority leader of the US Senate. His record on gay rights is lousy period. No support of ENDA, voted for the FMA, voted for DOMA (not only voted for but cosponsered), and was adamantly against gays in the military. In short, he hasn't been any kind of leader on gay and lesbian issues. He has been just plain horrid.

I wouldn't vote for a Republican over him. I would vote for him for Senate if I lived in WV. But spare me the "conscious of the Senate" crap. A true statesmen would have been with Mike when the whole world was against him. Byrd was saying he didn't exist. Byrd is able to fight the fights he fights now, because he built up political points with his constituents by abandoning people like Mike. In a very real sense, everytime he stands up to Bush now, he is cashing a check written by people like Mike. I am just glad he is spending his blood money well.
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Ignacio Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 07:11 PM
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1. He's the last of a dying generation
In a way, when he retires or passes on (likely that he will pass on while serving) we won't have to have this argument anymore.
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Archae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 07:12 PM
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2. Byrd also earned his nickname.
"Senator Pork."

When ABC news tried to get answers from him why WV got half the highway funds while the rest of the country got the other half, Byrd ran off, and on the floor of the Senate threw a royal tantrum about being "ambushed by ABC news."
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 07:15 PM
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7. This is why Byrd and our dear Senator Stevens
are such good buddies. Senator Pork and his twin. :evilgrin:
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 07:12 PM
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3. Recommended and eloquent, dsc
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 07:13 PM
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4. Thank you for putting this so well.
I can only shake my head at people who deem him the conscience of the Senate, or rave about what a great man he is, and how he understands the Constitution better than anyone. Once he didn't believe the Constitution applied to one minority. He still doesn't believe it applies to another.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 07:14 PM
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5. He's an old crank that lectures about the Peloponesian Wars in the Senate too much. nt
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 07:17 PM
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8. LOL!
I don't know when anything on DU has cracked me up so completely.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 07:26 PM
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12. Back in his day people knew what the Peloponnesian War was.
Edited on Sun Feb-18-07 07:27 PM by Odin2005
Our country's educational system has totally gone to Hell since Byrd was a kid.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 07:28 PM
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14. back in his day
white rich people knew what the Peloponnesian war was.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 07:30 PM
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16. Well, not really.. Dubois. n/t
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-20-07 01:56 PM
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35. Back in his day
people were fighting the Peloponnesian War.
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 07:15 PM
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6. outstanding post!!
I wish i could recommend it TWICE! THANK YOU :hug:
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 07:20 PM
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9. thank you
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 07:23 PM
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10. A quote from Senator Byrd:
Perhaps what was most disappointing for a liberal watching events unravel was the fact that so many Democrats joined the Republicans in supporting DOMA. Senator Byrd (D-WV), was a cosponsor. He said,

"the drive for same-sex marriage is in effect an effort to make a sneak attack on society by encoding this aberrant behavior in legal form before society itself has decided it should be legal."

He also went on to link the fall of Greek civilization to homosexuality. Implicit in his argument is the belief that homosexuality is intrinsically evil, and the feeling that the legalization of gay marriage would somehow push America down the slippery slope towards apocalyptic doom.

http://www.digitas.harvard.edu/~perspy/old/issues/1996/dec/floor.html
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 07:25 PM
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11. Is "blood money" another name for "repentance"?
Edited on Sun Feb-18-07 07:26 PM by sfexpat2000
Look, I have no illusions about the public images of public men. None about Byrd. My people are all coffee colored and we know where our fights are.

But if he publicly APOLOGIZED for his bigotry then and has since DONE right, what fight do we have with him now?

Curious.

/ack, spelling
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 07:26 PM
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13. If he has publicly aplogized for anti gay bigotry I would like to see it
I have never, ever seen anything which suggests he has done any such thing.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 07:28 PM
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15. Then, I apologize, dsc, because you are right.
And I won't sit for that form of bigotry, ever.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 07:32 PM
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17. thanks
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 07:34 PM
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18. Not at all. I'm ashamed of being asleep at the effen wheel. n/t
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 08:12 PM
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21. He hasn't -- ever
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MountainLaurel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 09:54 PM
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27. Absolutely
I grew up in WV and remember the AIDS funding issue quite well.
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k_jerome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 08:06 PM
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19. i am not. i find him very objectionable. nt.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 08:12 PM
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20. Very good OP, and the reason I myself don't -- can't -- like Senator Byrd
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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 08:48 PM
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22. And to think there were people on here a couple of years ago
writing subject lines like, "Byrd for President!" All because he's against the Iraq war.

It made me sick.

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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 09:04 PM
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23. I do believe DU even sent him FLOWERS once. nt
Edited on Sun Feb-18-07 09:05 PM by jonnyblitz
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 09:10 PM
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24. The problem with single-issue thinking....
... is that it leads inevitably to o'erweening adulation or o'erweening condemnation - both of which are poor reflections of the truth.
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k_jerome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 11:11 PM
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30. see this thread for some defense of Byrd..
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 09:10 PM
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25. Politics makes not only strange bedfellows, but lots of them as well.
HRC was recently praised as the voice of the GLBT community - but a few months earlier it was in hot water for endorsing Lieberman. A lot of us didn't think it was our voice at that time.

I agree with DSC -- I'd likely vote for him over a Republican. But what a "pinch your nose and pull the lever" moment.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 10:06 PM
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28. Imho, we've been dealing with firestarters. So, while we look there
and over there at the newest fire, it's hard to keep the whole context in hand. It's hard for me, anyway.

But seriously, I think that is their strategery. Shiney thing here, there and over there.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 09:18 PM
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26. K&R
I agree - while his war stance has been admirable, he has shown absolutely no change of heart with respect to gay issues of any kind. And in light of his other stands, that's just downright sad.
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 10:36 PM
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29. Meh.
Byrd is kind of a dick, but remember what it was like when Lincoln Chafee was in the majority. A better progressive than Byrd in many ways, but he gave the evil majority its power.

We're lucky to have any Dems from WV, let alone two. When Byrd goes to the big pork-barrel in the sky, we'll have to work extra hard to get another Democrat or progressive independent in his seat.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 01:05 PM
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32. Not what I've read.
Joe Manchin is one of the most popular Guvs in WV history. If he runs, it appears he'll win easily, and if Senator Byrd does live through his term, Gov. Manchin can appoint himself.
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-20-07 01:35 PM
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33. Yes, and Manchin is a terrific governor
I doubt Manchin would appoint himself, but hopefully he'll be there when the time comes. Still, I fear that Byrd's seat will go "Republic" if their candidate is suitably Christofascistic.
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UnyieldingHierophant Donating Member (249 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-20-07 01:54 PM
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34. There was a saying in WV when I was growing up...
"Jesus could be a Republican, and in WV not get elected" Don't let the last two Presidential votes fool you...WV is a democratic state
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 12:56 PM
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31. kick
:kick:
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