Clinton says Kyl-Lieberman Vote Deterred Iran

[sabra]

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/campaignmatters?bid=45&pid=256838

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Clinton then defended her vote for Kyl-Lieberman: "In fact, having designated the Iranian Revolutionary Guard a terrorist organization, we've actually seen some changes in their behavior." She didn't say where she had obtained that information. Presumably it wasn't from the latest NIE. "The Iranians were supplying weapons that killed Americans. They were supplying technical assistance from the Qods Force, which is their special operations element. So I think we've actually seen the positive effects of having labeled them a terrorist organization because it did change their behavior."

Joe Biden, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, quickly took exception to her claim. "There's no evidence -- none, zero -- that this declaration caused any change in action on the part of the Iranian government," Biden said.

Under fire, Clinton tried to argue that her position was now the same as everyone else's. "None of us is advocating a rush to war," she said. "Our goals are the same: diplomatic engagement with Iran."

Edwards begged to differ. "Among the Democratic candidates, there's only one that voted for this resolution. And this is exactly what Bush and Cheney wanted."

[DS1]

1. Pre-emptive doesn't go back 4 years you fucking liar

[annie1]

38. She didn't say it was about the weapons though, did she?

From what I just read she's saying 'behavior' but not necessarily anything to do with nuclear weapons building. Although as i was listening to the debate, i felt that she was referring to that.

[DS1]

40. You felt that she was referring to that

So did I.

[annie1]

42. I just read through the transcript, i think i see why

it came off like that. But upon reading it fully, i don't think that she was making that claim. PHEW! lol. that would be scary. But then again, she just didn't make clear whatever she was actually trying to say. And since it's not in discussion format, there was no follow up, and frankly, i don't know what she is referring to. :D

Here's what was said:

NPR: The new National Intelligence Estimate contains a major change. It says that Iran stopped its nuclear weapons program in the fall of 2003. Today President Bush said that nothing's changed in light of the report. He said the NIE, the National Intelligence Estimate, doesn't do anything to change his opinion about the danger Iran poses to the world. For all of you — and let's go left to right across the radio dial — do you agree with the president's assessment that Iran still poses a threat? And do you agree that the NIE's news shows that isolation and sanctions work?

Senator Clinton.

SEN. HILLARY CLINTON: Well, I'm relieved that the intelligence community has reached this conclusion, but I vehemently disagree with the president that nothing's changed and therefore nothing in American policy has to change.

I have for two years advocated diplomatic engagement with Iran, and I think that's what the president should do. He should seize this opportunity and engage in serious diplomacy, using both carrots and sticks. I think we do know that pressure on Iran does have an effect. I think that is an important lesson. But we're not going to reach the kind of resolution that we should seek unless we put that into the context of a diplomatic process.

[DS1]

44. My reply is this

It's foolish to even consider the idea that `this` President will seize anything but the idea of another war. He's a war president by his own words. He hires people who don't understand diplomacy, and he listens to God over them anyway. What we need is a President who looks at the information coming from multiple sources, and with the help of his or her experts, evaluates the credibility of those sources, weighs the total data, and then makes a decision. We also need a President who, upon hearing new data, is capable of putting that new data into the fold, and then deciding whether or not the current track is correct. We need a President who also has a plan in case that contradictory information does show up, which it typically does, and has already considered this while planning and executing his or her first move.

We need a Chess Grandmaster, not some checkers-savant. We need someone always one step ahead of the game, instead of this idiot fuck we have right now. And just because we have an idiot fuck in charge at the moment, it doesn't mean we should lower our standards and elect a triangulating phony.

[C_U_L8R]

2. There's some good late night comedy

in Tehran.

More and more Joe's clearheadedness is looking impressive.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

3. I thought the Iranians made their decision not to pursue a bomb in 2003

Am I mistaken as to that date?

[Richard Steele]

20. Apparently, they continued their "time machine" program. *rolls eyes* nm

[Tom Joad]

4. where does she get the stuff that fills her pipe?

Iran decided not to build nuclear weapons in 2003 because of a extremist piece of legislation that was passed a few months ago.

she definitely inhales. deeeeeply. from the neocon lie machine.

[Disturbed]

6. Sen Clinton is complicit with the RWing & the Multi-Corps.

She & Mr. Clinton are part of the RWing Plutocracy.

[Tom Joad]

5. heh, 4 rapid simultaneous responses all saying the same thing. she is such a dumbass.

little warmongering parasite.
i don't like her much either.

[DS1]

8. powermad

Is my interpretation.

How long before Bill is deeply 'invested' in Carlyle.

[AlCzervik]

7. wow did she set the way back machine and then the forward machine?

[Danger Mouse]

9. Senator Clinton just loves her some of that Lieberman/Bush brand kool aid.

MMM...tastes like bullshit.

[Generator]

10. She's been studying Bush I see

Be as full of shit as you want, and say whatever. WOW. And they call us Hillary haters. I call us having a brain.

[Jacobin]

11. Um. The program stopped in 2003!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What a lying snake, she is

[DavidDvorkin]

12. The hole is getting deeper

The campaign that was rolling along is stumbling badly suddenly.

Be interesting to see if she can recover in time for Iowa.

[Mojambo]

13. I've kinda scoffed at the idea that she could finish worse than 3rd in Iowa

But if she keeps this shit up...

[Tom Joad]

33. yeah, if she keeps this shit up, she will be too stinky whenever she steps

into a Iowa diner. everyone will walk out.

[WillyT]

14. Class... Please Pay Attention To How One Jumps A Shark !!!

:wtf:

[tom_paine]

15. Wow. Retroactively went back to 2003 and made 'em quit, did it?

That Kyl-Lieberman is one hell of a time travelling bill!

Maybe we can use it to go back to December 2000 so that we can kick the asses of those gutless cowardly Bushies who beat up a Democratic vote counter and shut down the Miami Vote Count.

[Cha]

16. mark penn's advice, eh?

Never apologize and he musta added.."if you're wrong make some disingenuous prattle about how your vote actually made things better". "Never let them know your only goal is to look tough and some times(always)you get fooled."

kyl-lieman..my :kick:

[Kucinich4America]

17. How do you "deter" someone from doing

Something they weren't doing anyway?? :wtf:

[AuntPatsy]

18. One simply needs to listen to Biden on such matters and remain quiet until one finds out what he

thinks on the subject at hand.

[gateley]

19. If anything deterred it, it was Biden's LOUD vow to move towards Impeachment

if there was an action on Iran.

He (Biden) said nothing has changed in Iran since K/L passed.

[Cha]

25. That didn't seem

to be stopping chimp today..not even the NIE report that he said "didn't change his mind(mush).

But, I've been really glad that Biden is saying this loud and clear that Impeachment would go forth if they bombed Iran. Course, I wish they would Impeach the bushites before the fact and I'm guessing the people of Iran think so, too.

"He (Biden) said nothing has changed in Iran since K/L passed." This would make hillary a liar.

[gateley]

37. I think he took exception to Hillary's statement regarding that, and said so.

I've been watching/listening to so much about it today, it was either during the debate itself, or on Hardball when he was talking to Chris Matthews (I posted the video on DUif you haven't seen it.)

[Cha]

47. I take exception to

hillary's statement, too..thanks, gately.

[madrchsod]

21. oh no hillary...i really am starting to feel sorry for her.....

why does`t she just say that she was wrong? she made a mistake and she accepts responsibility for her vote? most people will forgive and forget if one accepts responsibility for one`s mistakes but what she has said most people won`t

[Cha]

26. I don't feel

"sorry" for any of the neo warmongers..look what they've done to LIVES.

[annie1]

43. or even come up with a better reason for her vote!...

she hates to admit to being wrong, it's part of her personality. She's so defensive and thinks everyone is out to get her or something. Yikes.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

22. Where have I heard this type of spin before?

:shrug:

[usregimechange]

23. Puke

[TahitiNut]

24. Careful. Quoting Hillary-spin is called "bashing" by some.

:eyes: Facile fraud. :puke:

[Danger Mouse]

30. How DARE you crticize our future president?

:crazy:

[sandnsea]

27. Can we dump her yet n/t

[Tom Joad]

28. The world should be applying sanctions against the US for killing Iraqis

and if the US "elects" Hillary... the sanctions should increase, until the US gets out of Iraq.

[Cha]

29. Yes, they should..in

a Just World.

[Individualist]

31. Orwellian BS!

[understandinglife]

32. "Among the Democratic candidates, there's only one that voted for this resolution. And this is ...

... what Bush and Cheney wanted."

Yep. Hil's a neoconster through and through ....

[Bright Eyes]

34. Sounds familiar.....

2007: "None of us is advocating a rush to war," she said. "Our goals are the same: diplomatic engagement with Iran."

2002: "None of us is advocating a rush to war," she said. "Our goals are the same: diplomatic engagement with Iraq."

*Putting of flame-retardant suite*

[CoffeeCat]

35. Hillary says that her goal is...

..."diplomatic engagement with Iran."

Yeah. That's it. I always find that defining someone as a "terrorist organization"
really creates a tsunami of hospitality coming my way.

:eyes:

Tim Russert--not exactly a liberal press member--said today that Kyl/Lieberman
is a "predicate to war with Iran."

It's obvious that that's exactly what Kyl/Lieberman is. It's what Bush
wanted and Hillary and the rest of the warmongers gave him.

Please stop lying to us Hillary. You're looking more absurd than ever.

[leftchick]

50. the think tanker on NPR this AM said the same

that calling Iran's armed forces a terror organization is a call for war. She is not fooling everyone.

[bvar22]

36. Just keeps getting more bizarre.

Is there anyone who will believe this shit?

Indefensible!....though there are about 7 here at DU who will try.
Must be waiting for their talking points from Mark Penn.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

54. Suh-NAP!

:D

Thank you. It is indefensible. But I will certainly enjoy watching those here who will try.

[JeffR]

39. She's completely wrong. n/t

[dkf]

41. So when is Bill going to come out and say he was against K/L

from the start.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

45. She got that from the Matt Lauer playbook. Yesterday AM on the Today Show, Lauer asked

Edwards if Bush's saber rattling deterred Iran! I couldn't believe he asked that question and I can't believe that Clinton picked it up and ran with it! How stupid does she think we are? It's downright insulting.

[killbotfactory]

46. Yes, the vote traveled back in time to 2003 and made them stop their program

:eyes:

[mmonk]

48. I need my waders for that explanation.

[leftchick]

49. she sounds just like bush!

and cheney and lieberman and perle and wolfowitz and condi etc. etc.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

51. Yes, Hillary got into a flying saucer with Joe Lieberman

went through a worm hole and reappeared in 2003, where she and Joe met themselves and talked themselves into voting about Iran in 2003. Hillary tried to get Kucinich to come along, but the sight of the flying saucer completely freaked him out.

[blondeatlast]

52. W still hasn't mastered that voice-throwing thing, although the hand in her

back isn't quite so apparent.

Jaybus, she sounds more like him every time she tries to cover her ass.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

53. We verbally crucify Bush when he..

or one of his cronies pulls this sort of bullshit spin. And rightfully so. :mad:

That anyone here at DU can excuse/spin/ignore her repeated attempts of the same absolutley disgusts me.

GOD DAMMIT PEOPLE, WAKE THE FUCK UP!!!

We mock, deride, and question the sanity of those at FR who would continue to believe a thing Bush says. We say we see so clearly through his bullshit -- why on earth can't they?

Well, look in the fucking mirror, people.

The evidence is mounting. Actions, words -- rock solid indicatiors of what we can expect of a Clinton presidency. And yet, the excuses fly here.

I am afraid that some of you are in grave danger of becoming as laughable as any of the miscreants at FR.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

55. Riiiiiight. And, voting for the IWR wasn't voting for war.

For Sale! Cheap!