Mourning Joe on Impeachmen Poll

[H2O Man]

Mourning Joe and Willie both say that impeachment is bad. Very bad. They showed film of Senator Biden saying it would make sense to impeach VP Cheney first. Joe and Willie said that there isn't time and that now isn't the time. And that it would be bad. Very bad.

My question: How many DUers agree with Mourning Joe and Willie, that the democrats need to avoid impeachment? And how many prefer that Congress uphold their oath of office, and honor and protect the Constition?

Thank you.

[peacebird]

1. IMPEACH NOW

[H2O Man]

2. Thank you.

I agree. Joe and Willie are not spokespersons for me.

[graywarrior]

3. Bad for whom? Them?

I say impeach the bastards now.

[H2O Man]

4. Fair questions.

I think that Joe and Willie were attempting to speak for democrats. They seemed very concerned. Some of their concerns sounded familiar.

[tom_paine]

25. Concern trolls. Yawn.

To us, the well-worn mechanisms of Bushevik Propaganda seem tired, boring, and an insult to one's intelligence.

To a nation of Good Germans, it is the God's honest and unvarnished truth.

And it works again and again and again and again and again.

I have been reading a lot of "on the ground" journals of people from different walks of life who lived under the German Bushies 1933-1945. No difference, except the bruital violence, which I will admit is a big difference in terms of ours being the NICEST barbarian tyranny ruled by murderous monsters and criminals that we could ever wish to have (well, for the moment...I suspect that won't survive the first belt-tightening or the next Bushie False Flag 9/11 Op).

[LiberalFighter]

18. Yes, impeach Joe and Willie then impeach Cheney and Bush

[deminks]

5. It's never too late for IMPEACHMENT

Really, Joe and Willie ran through all the excuses this morning; it's too late, there is not time left, we have to look forward not backward, it will tie up the House, it won't do anything, blah blah blah. And don't forget the blondie news reader was right in there agreeing with them.

[H2O Man]

16. I'm not sure

if it's proof that they read DU or not. But their arguments sounded mighty familiar.

[mmonk]

6. You know where I stand.

The fact that there is even a discussion on whether or not there should be an impeachment inquiry given what has occurred ongoing over the last few years is bizarre in itself.

[H2O Man]

17. Yeah, but

what if the Constitution doesn't really mean what it says? What if it is just a collection of suggestions, that can be ignored?

[mmonk]

24. Apparently, that is being accepted as current interpretation.

An option one can ignore such as has been shown with "impeachment is off the table" as if our founding documents, checks and balances, freedoms and guarantees are something that can be used as a bargaining chip with violaters (because that is EXACTLY what is going on).

[scarletwoman]

48. It's really just a guideline. (nt)

[tbyg52]

58. LOL!

Reminds me of that famous document, "The Ten Suggestions." ;)

[DainBramaged]

7. Impeach Cheney, then Bush NOW

FUcking dishonest lying Repukes are trying us up in Congress anyway! " Ohhh ohhh nuclear option, don't use it or we'll stomp our feet and wring outr hands, ooh ooh." Fucking Dem leadership letting these scum wrap them up like a fish in paper.

[rucky]

8. I've been for impeachment, but if Joe and Willie say no, then...

Who the hell are Joe and Willie?

[mmonk]

11. Bingo

:rofl:

[maine_raptor]

15. Who the hell are Joe and Willie?

You mean these two?

[warren pease]

55. Who the hell ARE Joe and Willie?

Really. I have no idea who you're talking about.

If they're on TV, I don't watch TV news or punditpap (except for paying close attention to all OJ, Paris, Tiffany and Evel Knievel sightings).

If they're politicians, I'm thinking Lieberman and ??.

If they're Howard Cosell risen from the grave on an overdose of formaldehyde, I'm thinking JOE WILLIE NAMATHHHHHH!!!

A little help here, please.


wp

[fasttense]

9. Impeachment is the only legitimate way to end the nightmare of

bush/cheney presidency.

It is both the moral and Constitutionally required thing to do to stop the megalomaniacs trying to destroy our country.

[maine_raptor]

10. Not enough time, eh?

IIRC Clinton's impeachment took 6 months (started in Sept, final vote in Feb). There's a year left in Bush's term, seems like we could impeach him twice.

Of course that impeachment was over a BJ, doing one over Bush's crimes might take a bit longer, if only for the reading of the charges.

[Perry Logan]

12. Guys--let it go, if only for your own mental health.

[mmonk]

14. Nope.

It doesn't have anything to do with mental health. Any problem associated mentally from the situation is a byproduct.

[H2O Man]

20. Tao Te Ching

Knowing ignorance is strength;
Ignoring knowledge is sickness.
-- Lao Tse

[Diamond Dave]

13. I just wrote this in another 2 or 3 threads. When are these Congress Critters going

to uphold the oath of office they swore to? Just Damned F'kfg WHEN? Did the oath not mean a good g'damned thing to them?

You are the best H20 Man, quite simply the best! (Seeking volunteers in a blue dress or slacks - must be what it takes).

[Me.]

19. Is This A Trick Question?

If that half wit Joe says it's bad, it must be terrible....for all those who have supported the breaking of our laws and the weakening of justice in this country.

[H2O Man]

21. Both were concerned.

They were very concerned for the well-being of democrats.

[Hubert Flottz]

22. If you went to work and didn't do your job, you'd be FIRED!

[Cooley Hurd]

23. Is Joe mourning a dead intern, perhaps?

;):rofl:

It's amazing how many feel the rule-of-law is no longer important enough to uphold, isn't it?

Impeachment should be fully pursued on all applicable parties who have broken the law. The length of their terms shouldn't (and do NOT) matter.

[Me.]

26. "The President Has No Authority To Attack Iran"

"It's so unfortunate....and Joe Biden on the campaign trail talking about impeaching *. It's a sad state of affairs. Blame can be spread equally to both parties. It's counter productive. If you play to extremists it blows up in your face."

Well there, then, we've been put in our place.

[H2O Man]

27. Still,

just because Yale Law Scool professor Akhil Reed Amar writes in his best-selling book "America's Constitution" that the Founding Father's used the word "shall" because they meant exactly that ..... aren't Mourning Joe and Wee Willie a better source for democrats to listen to?

[mmonk]

31. Must be. They're on TV.

[maine_raptor]

32. Ah, come on H20man, who you going to believe,

Some left-wing foreign-type professor from some fancy pants school, or a couple of smart, good looking, rich TV pundits pulling down 6 figures per year?

No contest!

:sarcasm:

[H2O Man]

39. Mourning Joe

is very honest, even when he lies.

[Me.]

36. Oh Yes

They're the ones! How could we have been so dumb.

[H2O Man]

40. Mini experts

say so, or so we have read.

[antigop]

28. You know where I stand -- Impeach Cheney first. Then Bush. n/t

[NewJeffCT]

29. Why isn't "now" the time?

If not "now" when?

[madokie]

30. Impeach

The constitution is pretty clear that the congress is to impeach in circumstances such as this. theres no wiggle room in there for them to not to. Its our duty as citizens to demand they do and not give up until they do exactly that

Add: lets get this on the great page folks so everyone who visits here will know how we feel. just saying

[zippy890]

33. of course they should start investigations

for 'high crimes & misdemeanors' by the vP, the Prez & others.

it does not look like the Dem. leadership is going to do that.

and I cannot for the life of me understand why.

[mwb970]

34. I vote for impeachment.

It's time to take a stand against the bush regime and its relentless attacks on our nation and its system of government. We used to execute traitors. Now we hand them the reins of power and go back to watching TV. Big mistake.

[spanone]

35. impeach impeach impeach impeach impeach impeach impeach impeach

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[antigop]

37. K&R. n/t

[NNN0LHI]

38. Scar and Willie are both top of the line Rethug scumbags

They are both aware that impeachment proceedings would do nothing but increase Bush's popularity and hurt our chances in the next election.

I would rather lock up in prison all the criminals after they are booted from office next year.

Yea, that would make more sense.

Don

[rosesaylavee]

41. Wow. Its 8:25 pm. Why am I only the 5th rec on this post???

I wanted these fools impeached last year.

Happy to kick and recommend. Not sure who Joe and Willie are - but they are either not intelligent or they are liars. Maybe both if they think we will fall for this line of impeachment being bad.

[burythehatchet]

42. I prefer indictment, arrest, trial, judgment, punishment.

[annabanana]

43. Absolut Impeach

<photoshop goes here>

[Joe Fields]

44. They both should have been impeached years ago.

Now, they both belong in the Hague.

[Gregorian]

45. The Constitution is only as strong as the support we give it.

There is no question about what we need to do. There is only question regarding our willingness to do it. To not impeach is to not support the Constitution. And since that is the very heart of America, it's not different than dragging the country around in the mud. And to think Congress has spent time on flag desecration issues. If they can do that, and start an illegal invasion, and allow resolutions to pass that denigrate and weaken our Bill of Rights, then there is no valid excuse for not impeaching. There is only an excuse for providing aid and comfort to a criminal administration.

If impeachment is so time consuming and difficult that it can't be exercised, then the same is to be said for any other act of Congress. There is nothing more important.

[bleever]

46. Maybe if we appease the neocons

and let them take habeas corpus and the Fourth Amendment, they'll be happy and leave us alone.

Being too pushy about the whole "rule of law" thing might just make them angry, and besides, their getaway car is so far down the road, maybe we should just call it "bygones" and tend to our own business without being so rigid about the Constitution and what's legal and what's right.

If the body has a dozen problems, should we drop everything just because the heart stops?

[Sancho]

47. I'd be perfectly happy to see the whole bunch impeached...

or sent to Cuba on the LAST DAY before we swear in the next president...


:grr:

[hootinholler]

49. Anything shy of the pursuit of these criminals to hold them accountable is not acceptable.

Impeachment prevents pardons, therefore it is imperative.

-Hoot

[TahitiNut]

50. Impeach. Remove. Indict. Convict. Imprison. (Rinse. Repeat.)

As long as we, as a nation, passively accept the war crimes and crimes against humanity perpetrated in our name by this administratioon, we're a nation of cowards and outlaws ... without honor and without integrity ... undeserving of a democracy. Future generations should piss on our graves and spit when our names are mentioned.

[KoKo]

51. Well...if we don't Impeach we aren't going to have much of a country left

when they've finished with it. These are dangerous twosome and something must be done.

How are you dealing with that Morning Joe... You know the stuff that goes on there with the female baiting and joking like highschool jam session withlanguage like "Joe is a Camels Butt" (from CNBC's Erin) is really turning me off. I've tried...for some segments to be able to look past what's going on there...but find I have to turn it off. I'm not a high schooler and neither are the folks on that show..but the level of stuff going on is really low.

When Scarborough isn't there and Shuster fills in...it's much better. But, who can wait for that when it's so sporadic. Still..there's little else to watch if one is a political junkie...

I'm thinking the Media Lock Down is almost complete with watching the level of discourse go to "Camel's Butt's" and next it will be "Fart Jokes." I don't know how much lower things can go in the media...but with a year more to go....without impeachment and media change, I suspect much more propaganda and beyond "fart jokes" ...and I don't have ability to know what's worse....and don't want to. I'll have to pull my cable.

[Imagevision]

52. Allowing Bush & Cheney to walk after all of the crimes they committed is bad-bad--very bad!!

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

53. We MUST somehow demand impeachment followed by accountability...

...and that means war crimes trials, if we're ever to recapture some portion of our national soul.

We're complicit with war crimes to include genocide -- we perpetrate it in Iraq and bankroll it in Gaza.

I'm not a religious person but I've pondered this exchange:

St. Peter - "Mr. J, I'd like to know what you did, what meaningful effort you made, toward trying to help your fellow citizenry stop and/or wrest control back from the fascist thugs that illegally seized power in your country in 2000, especially once it became clear to you that they were not only sponsoring, but also engaged in, genocide?"

Mr. J - "Well, St. Peter, as you may know I was quite the keyboard warrior during, huh what's going on?".... ZAP -- END OF CONVERSATION -- GO DIRECTLY TO EXPRESS ELEVATOR -- DO NOT PASS GO -- DO NOT COLLECT $200.00 -- GOING DOWN.

[gateley]

54. Impeach NOW - but don't stop there - Prosecute for treason, war crimes, whatever

they can to nail these fuckers for LIFE lest they trot off to their foreign hideaways and live happily ever after.

[deacon]

56. That show is one of the worst shows on TV. I can't get through 5 minutes of it. n/t

n

[pacalo]

57. We need impeachment desperately to begin healing the open wound that continues to grow bigger.

Apparently, they have no idea how angry & disgusted the people are, particularly that nothing is being done. Or Mourning Joe & Willie are just cogs in the media wheel telling us what to think, hoping the angry sentiment will go away. Wrong. The people are way ahead of those we put in office, as usual.

[BringEmOn]

59. Hey, Joe...what really happened to Lori Klausutis?

[balantz]

60. Impeach Them

We can't afford not to for too many reasons.

IMPEACH THEM NOW!!!