McCain: BUSHCO Is Guilty Of War Crimes

[kpete]

WHAT WATERBOARDING IS....

MCCAIN: "IT'S A VIOLATION OF THE GENEVA CONVENTIONS"

The practice garnered renewed attention and notoriety in September 2006, when further reports claim that the Bush administration had authorized the use of waterboarding on extrajudicial prisoners of the United States.
ABC News reported that current and former CIA officers stated that
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/Investigation/story?id=1356870

"there is a presidential finding, signed in 2002, by President Bush, Condoleezza Rice and then-Attorney General John Ashcroft approving the 'enhanced' interrogation techniques, including water boarding."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterboarding

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McCain: Well, governor, I'm astonished that you haven't found out what waterboarding is.

Romney: I know what waterboarding is, Senator.

McCain: Then I am astonished that you would think such a -- such a torture would be inflicted on anyone in our -- who we are held captive and anyone could believe that that's not torture. It's in violation of the Geneva Convention. It's in violation of existing law...

(Applause)

And, governor, let me tell you, if we're going to get the high ground in this world and we're going to be the America that we have cherished and loved for more than 200 years. We're not going to torture people.

We're not going to do what Pol Pot did. We're not going to do what's being done to Burmese monks as we speak. I suggest that you talk to retired military officers and active duty military officers like Colin Powell and others, and how in the world anybody could think that that kind of thing could be inflicted by Americans on people who are held in our custody is absolutely beyond me.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/11/28/debate.transcript.part2/index.html

[SharkSquid]

1. *spits out coffee*

whaaaaaaaaa?

[Disturbed]

2. Will McLame now call for prosecutions?

He said that Water Boarding is Torture & against the Geneva Conventions. That also means that it is
a violation of the US Constitution. The CIA has admitted to at least three acts of WBs. Will McLame demand that those responsible for those Criminal acts be prosecuted?

[Wildewolfe]

4. He was a PoW in vietnam and all that....

... now that it's pretty apparant he has zero chance to win the election maybe he's trying to redeem his soul. He used to be adamant about this one topic. I never liked him but once upon a time a long time ago, I admired him for his service, if absolutely nothing else.

It would be interesting to see the axe fall from this corner though...

[donkeyotay]

10. No, the make-it-up-as-you-go-along commander in chief

said that the people we got aren't prisoners of war, but enemy combatants; torture isn't torture; the president is really a CEO-executive of a company, not a country; the Constitution isn't a document he swore to defend, but rather a quaint document. They just make up the definitions as they go along. You know, "We create reality, and while you're reacting to it, we go on and create more reality."

[TwilightGardener]

3. He says it (about torture), but then he also said he'd vote for Mukasey, so it's meaningless.

[Hekate]

5. Bless him. Every so often McCain remembers who he was and still should be.

He's still got that upright man in him someplace.

For those who may not be old enough to remember: John McCain was a POW in Vietnam for seven godforsaken years of torture. At one point he said that one very powerful thing that kept him and other POWs going was the certain knowledge that their own government would never sanction the torture of prisoners.

He may be a Republican but there was a reason, once upon a time, that even Democrats admired him for his courage and strength of character.

I hope he comes all the way back to being a truth-teller and agent of needed change on this issue if nothing else.

Hekate

[Disturbed]

7. At least McLame forced Mitt to reveal what a fool he truly is.

I will give credit where it is due.

I bet McLame won't follow through with what should be done.

[kansasblue]

6. before he was a Senator......

..he served honorably in the service. I salute him for that.

[WinkyDink]

8. The kicker: McCain denies we ARE water-boarding:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/11/01/politics/main3441067.shtml

[Solly Mack]

16. and he denies it in the quote from OP as well

Look how he phrases his response.

McCain: Then I am astonished that you would think such a -- such a torture would be inflicted (as if it isn't already being inflicted) on anyone in our -- who we are held captive and anyone could believe that that's not torture. It's in violation of the Geneva Convention. It's in violation of existing law...

(Applause)

And, governor, let me tell you, if we're going to get the high ground in this world and we're going to be the America that we have cherished and loved for more than 200 years. We're not going to torture people. (like it isn't even happening)

We're not going to do what Pol Pot did. (but we are and do) We're not going to do what's being done to Burmese monks as we speak. I suggest that you talk to retired military officers and active duty military officers like Colin Powell and others, and how in the world anybody could think that that kind of thing could be inflicted by Americans on people who are held in our custody is absolutely beyond me. (But we DO torture people...yet McCain is claiming it is 'beyond' him that people could think we would)

McCain's phrasing is an attempt to frame torture as a debate of should we or shouldn't we, and not of acknowledging that America IS torturing people. He's pretending water-boarding isn't already taking place.

[shance]

9. Mr. McCain's acting hasn't improved much.

Their words mean nothing.

[pberq]

11. McCain does a beautiful job of calling out Romney on this one

The video is about half way down this page:

http://rawstory.com/rawreplay/

I'm not a fan of McCain, but for these few minutes, he came through against the idiots who support torture.

[ljm2002]

12. Yes it would seem to follow, wouldn't it...

...but I'm not holding my breath for McCain to press it, or for anyone else to pick up on this rather obvious corollary to McCain's statements.

[Disturbed]

13. Did McLame know that Busholini approved of Torture here?

[leftofthedial]

14. wow. I haven't agreed with McCain on anything for years

until that statement

[Disturbed]

15. Damnit! I just noticed that the photo of McLame humping on

Busholini didn't appear.

McLame talks but he doesn't follow through.

[Supersedeas]

17. Any indepth discussion on the TV Media outlets is strictly prohibited

[BornagainDUer]

18. He's getting good at the art of contradiction. He just called anti-war

people wimps and appeasers on par with Chamberlain, blah, blah.