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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 08:33 AM
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CT Scan Radiation Increases Cancer Risk
Medically unnecessary CT scans are not harmless, they may end up contributing to as many as 2 per cent of all US cancers. Increasinguse of CT scans, particularly among pregnant women, is a concern. This study, funded by the federal govt, is published in today's New England Journal of Medicine. I don't have a subscription to NEJM or would publish a link...

From Science Daily

In a Nov. 29, 2007 article in The New England Journal of Medicine, David J. Brenner, Ph.D., and Eric J. Hall, Ph.D., from the Center for Radiological Research at Columbia University Medical Center, argue that the potential carcinogenic effects from using CT scans may be underestimated or overlooked. This is of particular concern, because perhaps one-third of all CT scans performed in the United States may not be medically necessary, the radiation researchers say.

It is estimated that more than 62 million CT scans per year are currently given in the United States, compared to three million 1980. Because CT scans result in a far larger radiation exposure compared with conventional plain-film X-ray, this has resulted in a marked increase in the average personal radiation exposure in the United States, which has about doubled since 1980, largely because of the increased CT usage.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/11/071128172402.htm
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 08:39 AM
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1. Clever.. now when your doctor suggests a CT scan, the insurance
has another reason to deny coverage :eyes:

watch for MRIs to be next..

Whaddyahwannabet that for people who pay out of pocket, the risk is somehow "less" :)
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 08:42 AM
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2. Its a real health risk
The one's they're questioning are those that people get when they have no symptoms or problems of any kind. You know, the ones that advertise in the local paper and tv guide to come in and get a CT scan.

If its medically necessary, your doctor should be able to make the case w/ the insurance company.
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 10:03 AM
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3. Great. I had two last year.
The first one found my kidney tumor, and the second one was a surgical follow-up to make sure everything was healing okay six months later. How ironic--the test that found the tumor before it turned into cancer could give me cancer later. Ugh.
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Imalittleteapot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 10:10 AM
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4. I have had 2
in the past year plus a PET scan. Great?????
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 11:03 AM
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6. I know! We have to have these things, and now they tell us?!
Grrr. Is there a way to reduce the radiation?
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 10:16 AM
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5. I had an MRI two weeks ago
and after I read the description of exactly what this machine does, I thought -- this is too weird, someday they will find a side-effect for this medical breakthrough too.

I've only had one CAT scan for a kidney stone.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 11:20 AM
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9. There is no known risk directly associated with the MRI.
There is no known risk directly associated with the MRI
and there's no mechanism that we know about yet that
would imply any risk.

On the other hand, some of the "contrast agents" they
use with MRI machines *DO* have known risks. If your
doctor used a contrast agent, you should have been told
about it (and its associated risks) as part of your
consent to the procedure.

Tesha
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 11:55 AM
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13. Nope, no contrast agent, just a regular MRI
yes, I was briefed, esp. about anything metal in my body. I guess I am just being paranoid. Seems everything is always safe, and then years later they find out there were risks that "just hadn't been anticipated."

:eyes:
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 11:05 AM
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7. Do mammograms increase breast cancer risk?
That's been a concern of mine anyway.



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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 11:24 AM
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10. Yes, but the balance clearly tilts in the direction of benefit.
> Do mammograms increase breast cancer risk?

Yes; that's one of the reasons why they're not routinely
done on younger women. (Another is that their denser breast
tissue doesn't image all that well anyway.)

But overall, the balance clearly tilts in the direction
of the benefit overwhelming the slight added risk.

But even breast imaging is rapidly shifting to MRI (where
the risks are smaller and the benefits (via far better
images) are far better; dedicated breast-imaging MRIs
arer becoming more and more common.

Tesha
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 11:10 AM
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8. One CT is equal to being near the Hiroshima A-Bomb blast, that's how powerful it is
Edited on Thu Nov-29-07 11:13 AM by Dems Will Win
What Doctors Don't Tell You
HOLY HIROSHIMA! What radiologists don't tell you


Radiologists almost never seek informed consent before beginning an x-ray or scan, and even when they make a stab at best practice, the patient is often not fully informed.

This is probably just as well because new data reveals that the patient who undergoes a full-body CT (computed tomography) scan is being exposed to a radiation level equivalent to that from the atomic bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

As a result up to one in 400 patients who are scanned will go on to develop a fatal cancer, and those unfortunate enough to have an annual CT scan increase their chances of a fatal cancer by between 16 and four times.

This falls well outside the limits of 'acceptable risk' - which was suggested by the UK's Royal Society to be 1 in 1,000 - and yet it's something that the radiologist rarely, if ever, mentions to the patient. Even at the level of acceptable risk, the Royal Society stresses that the individual should be fully aware of the risk, and that he received a commensurable benefit.

Unfortunately the CT scan in particular fails on that second point too. According to the Journal of the American Medical Association, CT scans have "long been controversial because of uncertainties surrounding their ability to detect hidden disease". In other words, they don't work very well.

So not only do you run an up to 1 in 25 risk of dying from cancer, you probably do so for no good reason.

The CT scan is not the only radiological screening to come with risks that many would consider to be unacceptable.

Helical computed tomography causes fatal cancer in 1 in 1000 children (and this can be higher), and adults who have a thallium scintigraphy run a similar risk.

Unfortunately, most radiologists adopt the 'don't say a word' strategy with patients, a new report reveals.

"Even for procedures with high radiation dose, there is no explicit or implicit mention of long term risks. The risk remains unheard by the patient and unspoken by the doctor," says Eugenio Picano from the National Research Council in Pisa, Italy.

Why?

"Partly because the radiologist is too busy", says Picano, but also because of a paternalistic attitude that radiologist knows best.

Some others understate the risk, claiming the scan to be safe, and that millions are performed every year without incident. Only a handful states the full risk to the patient at which, presumably, the patient fetches his coat and leaves the surgery.

Perhaps it's something you should do the next time your local radiologist dives behind a lead screen, screaming 'Hiroshima' as he goes.



(Sources: Radiology, 2004; 232: 735-8; Journal of the American Medical Association, 2004; 292: 1669; British Medical Journal, 2004; 329: 849-51).

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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 11:26 AM
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11. I *HATE* statements like that!
> "This is probably just as well because new data reveals that the patient
> who undergoes a full-body CT (computed tomography) scan is being exposed
> to a radiation level equivalent to that from the atomic bombs dropped on
> Hiroshima and Nagasaki."

At what range? Clearly, the people who were vaporized
by the bomb blast were exposed to more radiation than
the people who were exposed to the blast from miles
away, or from Tokyo, or even from New Jersey!

A statement like that, unqualified as it is, is clearly
just meant to be alarmist bullshit.

Tesha
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 12:05 PM
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14. I will show you it is not alarmist BS but very real. Here's more:
Edited on Thu Nov-29-07 12:05 PM by Dems Will Win
CT scan radiation can equal nuclear bomb exposure
12:03 11 May 2007
NewScientist.com news service
Roxanne Khamsi

ACR task force report on radiation dose in medicine
Overzealous doctors who order unnecessary body scans that use X-ray technology are placing their patients at risk of cancer, radiologists warn.

Radiation from such scans is in some cases equivalent to that received by some survivors of the Hiroshima and Nagasaki atomic bombs, they say. In response, hospitals and professional associations, such as the American College of Radiologists, are taking new steps to promote more careful use of scanning technologies.

Radiologists are particularly concerned about the use of computed tomography, also known as CT or CAT scans. This technology involves the use of an X-ray generating device that rotates around the patient's body. These powerful beams are picked up by an array of detectors and used by a computer to generate a three-dimensional view of a body region.

Experts agree that when used correctly, such scans can save lives. However, according to some estimates, the radiation exposure a patient receives from a full-body CT scan is often 500 times that of a conventional X-ray and about the same as that received by people living 2.4 kilometres away from the centres of the World War II atomic blasts in Japan.

A CT scan might increase a person's risk of cancer by about 0.05%, although experts stress that on average a person's lifetime risk of cancer is about 20%.

Unnecessary scans
Radiologist Steven Birnbaum, who works in Nashua, New Hampshire, US, says he became acutely aware of the problem after his 23-year-old daughter suffered a head injury, including severe concussion and skull fracture.

Over the ensuing week, Birnbaum's daughter received a total of nine scans – including multiple scans to assess the bladder – until he ordered doctors to stop. Some of the scans she received were medically unnecessary, he says.

"I was horrified. I asked the surgical chief resident if any thought had been given to radiation exposure in patients when doctors ordered CT studies," says Birnbaum, who is a paid consultant for Anthem Blue Cross and Blue Shield, a major healthcare provider.

Short cuts
Magellan Health's National Imaging Associates, a leading US company that helps hospitals and healthcare providers manage their use of medical screening technologies, has initiated a new system to flag up patients that have received too many scans.

Radiologist Thomas Dehn, the company's chief medical officer, says that there are numerous reasons why CT scans are ordered unnecessarily. Doctors are often pressed for time and use the technology as a shortcut, he says. And patients sometimes demand the extra reassurance that a scan can give – a scan can help confirm they are healthy.

A task force within the American College of Radiologists (ACR) published a report earlier in May outlining ways to address the problem of excessive CT scanning.

One recommendation in the report suggests that medical students should receive mandatory training on this issue. It also says that the risks of these scans need to be better conveyed to the public. "We're concerned and we're aware of it," says Arl Van Moore, chair of the ACR.

http://www.newscientist.com/channel/health/cancer/dn11827-ct-scan-radiation-can-equal-nuclear-bomb-exposure-.html

CT Scan Radiation Risk Even Concerns Conservative FDA Officials

Regulators at the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) are concerned that the growing popularity of high-tech computerized body imaging for health screening could be exposing the public to risky levels of radiation.

Recent advances in computerized tomography (CT) technology have increased the efficiency and lowered the price of the scans. The changes have helped spawn a new nationwide industry of unregulated boutique clinics where patients pay $300 to $500 of their own money to get CT scans not for diagnosis, but for regular health screening.


The agency is worried that easily available screening with CT has the potential of exposing patients to unhealthy repeat doses of the X-ray radiation the machines use to form images. While FDA evaluates the safety and effectiveness of CT scanners and other medical devices for regular use, it has no power to regulate how those machines are used once they reach doctors offices.

Whole-body scans require higher doses of the X-ray radiation CT scanners use to make images. As more and more people visit clinics to be screened for lung cancer, heart disease and other ailments, they could be absorbing more radiation more often than the FDA originally intended.

It's an open free-for-all in many communities. There is a perception by the public that CT scanning is a benign thing.

The average whole-body CT scan delivers 0.2 to 2.0 rads of radiation, depending on the size of the patient's body. Studies of Japanese survivors of the US atomic attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki in WWII linked an increased risk of cancer to lifetime cumulative exposures of 5 to 20 rads.

At 2 rads per exam, we're not far from potentially dangerous radiation doses.

Most doctors who work with CT scanners know to monitor the cumulative radiation doses patients receive. Professional societies also put out guidelines designed to promote the safe and effective use of the machines. But the self-pay nature of many CT boutiques allows patients to visit several different clinics as often as they like.

http://www.mercola.com/2001/may/30/ct_scan.htm

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Dr. Mercola's Comment:


Folks, this is a no-brainer. X-rays are not your friend.


Does this mean you should NEVER have them. Absolutely not.


However, they need to be used with extreme caution. if at all, especially if the patient is a young child as they are particularly susceptible to the damage of radiation.

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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 12:08 PM
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15. Do you understand...
Edited on Thu Nov-29-07 12:09 PM by Tesha
Do you understand:

o That I completely agree that needless X-rays are a risk, but

o I was only commenting about that one statement, comparing a
whole-body CT scan to an atomic bomb blast?

Without specifying the victim's range to the nuclear explosion,
the statement is completely devoid of meaning. The amount of
radiation one receives from a nuclear explosion ranges from
inconceivable large (at the epicenter of the blast) to nearly
nothing (in, say, New Jersey). Where on that continuum of
effects should we placed the whole-body CT scan?

Tesha
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 12:12 PM
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17. 2.4 km (see other post), about a mile and a half - AND THAT'S JUST ONE SCAN
I think my Dad had several CT scans in the last few years...
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 03:54 PM
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20. That's still a meaningless, scaremongering argument.
In only accounts for the detonation itself, and complete disregards the fallout, which was the big radiation killer from Hiroshima.

If you say a CT is the equivalent of working for six years as a flight attendant, it's much less sensationalist.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 12:09 PM
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16. Here is the info I read before: a CT can be equal to being 2.4 km from Hiroshima
Edited on Thu Nov-29-07 12:10 PM by Dems Will Win



CT scan radiation exposure equivalent to that of nuclear bomb in some cases

London, May 13: Experts at the American College of Radiologists have warned doctors against exposing patients to CT scans unnecessarily because the use of X-ray technology increases the risk of cancer.

They suggest that the amount of radiation that patients are exposed to during CT scans may in some cases be cases equivalent to that received by some survivors of the Hiroshima and Nagasaki atomic bombs.

According to some estimates, the radiation exposure a patient receives from a full-body CT scan is often 500 times that of a conventional X-ray and about the same as that received by people living 2.4 kilometres away from the centres of the World War II atomic blasts in Japan.

http://www.zeenews.com/znnew/articles.asp?aid=371124&ssid=28&sid=ENV


Sorry it wasn't alarmist BS, but REAL...
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 03:41 PM
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19. An abdominal CT is worth 50 x-rays.
That's what Hubby told me he learned in med school. That's why most doctors restrict how often a patient can get them.
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 11:54 AM
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12. A possible solution ... recently introduced technology
'Super' scanner shows key detail (BBC)

A new scanner has been unveiled which can produce 3D body images of unprecedented clarity while reducing radiation by as much as 80%.

The new 256-slice CT machine takes large numbers of X-ray pictures, and combines them using computer technology to produce the final detailed images.

It also generates images in a fraction of the time of other scanners: a full body scan takes less than a minute.

The Philips machine was unveiled at the Radiological Society of North America.

Because the images are 3D they can be rotated and viewed from different directions - giving doctors the greatest possible help in looking for signs of abnormalities or disease.

***
more: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7112688.stm
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 01:34 PM
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18. kick
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