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redacted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 06:10 AM
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CIVIL LIBERTARIANS WARN OF 'PATRIOT ACT LITE'
NEW YORK, 27 Nov (IPS) - Civil libertarians are worried that a little-known anti-terrorism bill now making its way through the U.S. Congress with virtually no debate could be planting the seeds of another USA Patriot Act, which was hurriedly enacted into law after the al Qaeda attacks of Sep. 11, 2001.

The Violent Radicalisation and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act, co-authored by the former chair of the House of Representatives Intelligence Committee, Jane Harmon, a California Democrat, passed the House by an overwhelming 400-6 vote last month, and will soon be considered by the Senate.

The bill's co-author is Republican Congressman David Reichert of Washington State. The Senate version is being drafted by Susan Collins of Maine, the ranking Republican on the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee, which is chaired by the hawkish Connecticut independent, Sen. Joe Lieberman. Harmon is chair of the House Homeland Security Intelligence Subcommittee.

Civil liberties groups, including the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) and the Center for Constitutional Rights (CCR), say the measure could herald a new government crackdown on dissident activity and infiltration of universities under the guise of fighting terrorism

http://ipsnorthamerica.net/news.php?idnews=1185
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reprehensor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 06:44 AM
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1. Randi Rhodes covered this on Tuesday...
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redacted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 04:38 PM
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7. Thanks again reprehensor! Good to hear from you. I heard Randi's show and
her presentation sounded comprehensive and accurate.

BTW, I would just note that the very first place I heard about this horrific legislation was actually on the Jeff Rense show on GCN about a month ago.

It seems like Rense's coverage is way ahead of just about everybody these days, with the possible exception of World Crisis Radio. And his coverage of critical political issues like these seems to be assuming a much greater share of his show topics than it did even a couple of months ago.
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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 06:56 AM
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2. Kick
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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 07:05 AM
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3. yet another reason to vote against Collins
(not that I was undecided)
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 07:07 AM
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4. Isn't it nice that Republicans *STILL* run the Congress?
Edited on Thu Nov-29-07 07:38 AM by Tesha
> The Senate version is being drafted by Susan Collins of Maine,
> the ranking Republican on the Homeland Security and Governmental
> Affairs Committee, which is chaired by the hawkish Connecticut
> independent, Sen. Joe Lieberman.

Isn't it nice that Republicans *STILL* run the Congress?
And didn't we all think we fixed that way back in 2006?

Tesha
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 07:23 AM
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5. Yes, interesting and absurd.
We should be in the streets and in the halls of congress.
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luckyleftyme2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 07:31 AM
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6. YES
THATS WHY US MAINERS ARE VOTING IN TOM ALLEN! HE HAS BEEN ANTI-WAR FROM GIT GO!
TOM ALLEN TO REPLACE SUE COLLINS IN 2008!
VOTE FOR TOM ALLEN!
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redacted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 04:39 PM
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8. TOM ALLEN? Who? Link please?
Haven't seen much coverage yet here in California. Would like to know more.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 07:43 PM
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12. The law was written by Jane Harman. A DLC Democrat.
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warren pease Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 09:03 PM
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14. The house version, HR 1955, was written by Harman...
Edited on Thu Nov-29-07 09:05 PM by warren pease
The Senate version is called S 1959 and was written by Collins and introduced to the Senate on August 2nd.

Now the most reactionary wingnuts from both chambers get to sit down and hammer out any differences between the House and Senate versions, making sure that the conciliatory language about directing the DHS to observe all Constitutional protections is removed from the final version so the codpiece-in-chief won't have a hissy fit when he has to sign it.

Either that or he'll just issue another signing statement saying he fully supports the parts about going after domestic terrorists -- which is now code for people who despise BushCo and all it stands for -- while declaring that he's exempt from the sections that ensure rights and liberties.

Funny, I never learned about this in civics class when they showed that flow chart on how legislation is passed. I think they left out the part about corporate campaign bribery and lobbyist influence peddling, too.


wp

On edit: Forgot to mention that HR 1955 passed the House by a 404 - 6 margin, with 22 abstentions.
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superkia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 10:37 PM
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17. only the people that believe a letter tells something about a...
person. When people realize its all just a game and its more like WWE wrestling than government, then maybe we will vote differently.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-30-07 07:03 AM
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19. Too sadly true!
> only the people that believe a letter tells something about a person.

Too sadly true!

But don't say that too loudly around here; you might get
in trouble!

Tesha
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redacted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 07:03 PM
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9. .
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 07:33 PM
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10. Kick, this needs to be stopped.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 07:42 PM
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11. oh it ain't lite at all. It is hard core and heavy duty!
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MsRedacted Donating Member (263 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 09:21 PM
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15. Nothing "lite" about it.
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Krashkopf Donating Member (965 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 07:59 PM
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13. Its the FASCIST SHIFT
"Harrassing Citizen's Groups" by making political protest "illegal" is step #5 in the dictator's playbook!

I encourage EVERYBODY to read Naomi Wolf's End of America - and to push back against the creeping fascism - WHILE WE STILL CAN!


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superkia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-30-07 03:07 PM
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20. Great book if you can handle reality, if not stay away.
Everyone should google Alex Jones also, he may be looked at by some as over the edge but his films do have some great information in them.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 10:29 PM
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16. Lite? It ain't "lite" at all - it's more hard core than the original
headline is misleading
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 10:41 PM
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18. The word "Homegrown" indicates U.S. citizens in GITMO
Edited on Thu Nov-29-07 10:42 PM by madeline_con
Edited for TYPO


in my mind. :scared:

Another Repug intimidation attempt?
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-30-07 04:30 PM
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21. Is this law even Constitutional?
It seem to counter every ideal of personal freedom to the nth degree.
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Elspeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-30-07 04:43 PM
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22. We gotta keep this kicked
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/philip-giraldi/the-violent-radicalizatio_b_74091.html


One would have thought that the systematic dismantling of the Constitution of the United States would have been enough to satisfy even the most Jacobin neoconservative, but there is more on the horizon, and it is coming from people who call themselves Democrats. The mainstream media has made no effort to inform the public of the impending Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act. The Act, which was sponsored by Congresswoman Jane Harman of California, was passed in the House by an overwhelming 405 to 6 vote on October 24th and is now awaiting approval by the Senate Homeland Security Committee, which is headed by Senator Joseph Lieberman of Connecticut. It is believed that approval by the committee will take place shortly, to be followed by passage by the entire Senate.

Harman's bill contends that the United States will soon have to deal with home grown terrorists and that something must be done to anticipate and neutralize the problem. The act deals with the issue through the creation of a congressional commission that will be empowered to hold hearings, conduct investigations, and designate various groups as "homegrown terrorists." The commission will be tasked to propose new legislation that will enable the government to take punitive action against both the groups and the individuals who are affiliated with them. Like Joe McCarthy and HUAC in the past, the commission will travel around the United States and hold hearings to find the terrorists and root them out. Unlike inquiries in the past where the activity was carried out collectively, the act establishing the Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Commission will empower all the members on the commission to arrange hearings, obtain testimony, and even to administer oaths to witnesses, meaning that multiple hearings could be running simultaneously in various parts of the country. The ten commission members will be selected for their "expertise," though most will be appointed by Congress itself and will reflect the usual political interests. They will be paid for their duties at the senior executive pay scale level and will have staffs and consultants to assist them. Harman's bill does not spell out terrorist behavior and leaves it up to the Commission itself to identify what is terrorism and what isn't. Language inserted in the act does partially define "homegrown terrorism" as "planning" or "threatening" to use force to promote a political objective, meaning that just thinking about doing something could be enough to merit the terrorist label. The act also describes "violent radicalization" as the promotion of an "extremist belief system" without attempting to define "extremist."

As currently envisioned, the Commission will not operate in perpetuity. After the group has done its work, in eighteen months' time, a Center of Excellence for the Prevention of Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism will be established to study the lessons learned. The center will operate either out of the Department of Homeland Security or out of an appropriate academic institution and will be tasked with continuing to monitor the homegrown terrorism problem and proposing legislation and other measures to counter it.

As should be clear from the vagueness of the definitions, the Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act could easily be abused to define any group that is pressuring the political system as "terrorist," ranging from polygamists, to second amendment rights supporters, anti-abortion protesters, anti-tax agitators, immigration activists, and peace demonstrators. In reality, of course, it will be primarily directed against Muslims and Muslim organizations. Given that, there is the question of who will select which groups will be investigated by the roving commissions. There is no evidence to suggest that there will be any transparent or objective screening process. Through their proven access both to the media and to Congress, the agenda will undoubtedly be shaped by the usual players including David Horowitz, Daniel Pipes, Steve Emerson, and Frank Gaffney who see a terrorist hiding under every rock, particularly if the rock is concealing a Muslim. They and their associates will undoubtedly find plenty of terrorists and radical groups to investigate. Many of the suspects will inevitably be "anti-American" professors at various universities and also groups of Palestinians organized against the Israeli occupation, but it will be easily to use the commission formula to sweep them all in for examination.

The view that 9/11 has "changed everything" is unfortunately all too true. It has unleashed American paranoia, institutionalized mistrust of foreigners, and created a fantasy universe in which a US beset by enemies must do anything and everything to counter the alien threat. If it were a sane world, it would be difficult to imagine why anyone would believe that a Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act is even necessary. The United States has spent hundreds of billions of dollars in strengthening law enforcement and intelligence capabilities against terrorists and has every tool imaginable to investigate and make arrests. It has created a whole new bloated and dysfunctional branch of government in the Department of Homeland Security. What is not needed is groups of congressionally empowered vigilantes roaming the country at will looking for "homegrown terrorism."
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