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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 06:14 PM
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The Secret History of the Impending War with Iran That the White House Doesn't Want You to Know
Edited on Sun Nov-25-07 06:52 PM by proud patriot
(edited for copyright purposes-proud patriot moderator Democratic Underground)

http://www.esquire.com/features/iranbriefing1107

The Secret History of the Impending War with Iran That the White House Doesn't Want You to Know

Two former high-ranking policy experts from the Bush Administration say the U.S. has been gearing up for a war with Iran for years, despite claiming otherwise. It'll be Iraq all over again.

In the years after 9/11, Flynt Leverett and Hillary Mann worked at the highest levels of the Bush administration as Middle East policy experts for the National Security Council. Mann conducted secret negotiations with Iran. Leverett traveled with Colin Powell and advised Condoleezza Rice. They each played crucial roles in formulating policy for the region leading up to the war in Iraq. But when they left the White House, they left with a growing sense of alarm -- not only was the Bush administration headed straight for war with Iran, it had been set on this course for years. That was what people didn't realize. It was just like Iraq, when the White House was so eager for war it couldn't wait for the UN inspectors to leave. The steps have been many and steady and all in the same direction. And now things are getting much worse. We are getting closer and closer to the tripline, they say.

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"The U.S. has designated any number of states over the years as state sponsors of terrorism," says Leverett. "But here for the first time the U.S. is saying that part of a government is itself a terrorist organization."

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This would result in a dramatic increase in attacks on U.S. forces in Iraq, attacks by proxy forces like Hezbollah, and an unknown reaction from the wobbly states of Afghanistan and Pakistan, where millions admire Iran's resistance to the Great Satan. "As disastrous as Iraq has been," says Mann, "an attack on Iran could engulf America in a war with the entire Muslim world."

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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 06:20 PM
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1. K&R.
Diplomacy set up to fail, just like pre-Iraq war diplomacy.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 06:21 PM
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2. What We Wanted to Tell You About Iran

http://www.nytimes.com/glogin?URI=http://gk.nytimes.com/mem/gatekeeper.html&OQ=_rQ3D1Q26URIQ3DhttpQ3AQ2FQ2Fwww.nytimes.comQ2F2006Q2F12Q2F22Q2FopinionQ2F22leverett.htmlQ26OQ51Q3D_rQ513D4Q5126orefQ513DsloginQ5126orefQ513DsloginQ5126orefQ513DsloginQ26OPQ3D6fd2584fQ512F4pjq4-kQ517EzakkgV4VFFQ515D4Q512BV4VV4k2hQ513DhkQ513D4VV3jXjajggv_g )3&OP=6c994323Q2FHQ2FQ2BEH.NQ20Q2Bsl6H)Q20bsQ3FQ3F.dHQ3Fa1Q20Q2B)Q20Q2BlHrsQ20Q2BhQ2BQ2BQ3FQ2Bae)Q20b


Op-Ed Contributors
Redacted Version of Original Op-Ed

By FLYNT LEVERETT and HILLARY MANN
Published: December 22, 2006
The Iraq Study Group has added its voice to a burgeoning chorus of commentators, politicians, and former officials calling for a limited, tactical dialogue with Iran regarding Iraq. The Bush administration has indicated a conditional willingness to pursue a similarly compartmented dialogue with Tehran over Iran’s nuclear activities.


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What We Wanted to Tell You About Iran
Unfortunately, advocates of limited engagement — either for short-term gains on specific issues or to “test” Iran regarding broader rapprochement — do not seem to understand the 20-year history of United States-Iranian cooperation on discrete issues or appreciate the impact of that history on Iran’s strategic outlook. In the current regional context, issue-specific engagement with Iran is bound to fail. The only diplomatic approach that might succeed is a comprehensive one aimed at a “grand bargain” between the United States and the Islamic Republic.

Since the 1980s, cooperation with Iran on specific issues has been tried by successive administrations, but United States policymakers have consistently allowed domestic politics or other foreign policy interests to torpedo such cooperation and any chance for a broader opening. The Reagan administration’s engagement with Iran to secure the release of American hostages in Lebanon came to grief in the Iran-contra scandal. The first Bush administration resumed contacts with Tehran to secure release of the last American hostages in Lebanon, but postponed pursuit of broader rapprochement until after the 1992 presidential election.

In 1994, the Clinton administration acquiesced to the shipment of Iranian arms to Bosnian Muslims, but the leak of this activity in 1996 and criticism from presumptive Republican presidential nominee Robert Dole shut down possibilities for further United States-Iranian cooperation for several years.

These episodes reinforced already considerable suspicion among Iranian leaders about United States intentions toward the Islamic Republic. But, in the wake of the 9/11 attacks, senior Iranian diplomats told us that Tehran believed it had a historic opportunity to improve relations with Washington. Iranian leaders offered to help the United States in responding to the attacks without making that help contingent on changes in America’s Iran policy — a condition stipulated in the late 1990s when Tehran rejected the Clinton administration’s offer of dialogue — calculating that cooperation would ultimately prompt fundamental shifts in United States policy.

The argument that Iran helped America in Afghanistan because it was in Tehran’s interest to get rid of the Taliban is misplaced. Iran could have let America remove the Taliban without getting its own hands dirty, as it remained neutral during the 1991 gulf war. Tehran cooperated with United States efforts in Afghanistan primarily because it wanted a better relationship with Washington.

But Tehran was profoundly disappointed with the United States response. After the 9/11 attacks, xxx xxx xx xxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxx xxxxxx xxxxxxx xx set the stage for a November 2001 meeting between Secretary of State Colin Powell and the foreign ministers of Afghanistan’s six neighbors and Russia. xxxx xxxxxxx xxxxx xxxxx xxxxxxx xxxxxx xxxx xx xxxxxx xxxxxx xxxxxxx xxxx xxx xxxxxx xxxxxx xxxxxx xxxx xxxxx xxxxx xx xxxx xxxxx xxxxx xxxxxxx xxxxx xxxxx xxxxx xxxxx xxxxx xxxxx xxxx xxxxx Iran went along, working with the United States to eliminate the Taliban and establish a post-Taliban political order in Afghanistan.

In December 2001, xxxxxx xxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx x Tehran to keep Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, the brutal pro-Al Qaeda warlord, from returning to Afghanistan to lead jihadist resistance there. xxxxx xxxxxxx so long as the Bush administration did not criticize it for harboring terrorists. But, in his January 2002 State of the Union address, President Bush did just that in labeling Iran part of the “axis of evil.” Unsurprisingly, Mr. Hekmatyar managed to leave Iran in short order after the speech. xxx xxxxxxxx xxxxxx xxxxxx xxxxxx xxxxx xxxxx xxxxx xxxx xxxxx xxxxx xxxxx xxxxx xxxx xxxx xxxx xxx the Islamic Republic could not be seen to be harboring terrorists.

xxx xxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxx xxxxxxxx xxxx xxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxx xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxx xxxx xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxx xxxx xxx xxxxxx xxxxxxx xxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxx xxxxxxxx xxxx xxxxxxxx xxxx xx xxxxx xxxxx xxxxx xxxxxxxx xxxx xxxxx xxxx xxxxx xxx xxxxxxx xxxxxxx xxxx xxxxx xxxxx xxxxxx xx xxxxx xxx xx xxxxxxx This demonstrated to Afghan warlords that they could not play America and Iran off one another and prompted Tehran to deport hundreds of suspected Al Qaeda and Taliban operatives who had fled Afghanistan.

Those who argue that Iran did not cause Iraq’s problems and therefore can be of only limited help in dealing with Iraq’s current instability must also acknowledge that Iran did not “cause” Afghanistan’s deterioration into a terrorist-harboring failed state. But, when America and Iran worked together, Afghanistan was much more stable than it is today, Al Qaeda was on the run, the Islamic Republic’s Hezbollah protégé was comparatively restrained, and Tehran was not spinning centrifuges. Still, the Bush administration conveyed no interest in building on these positive trends.

xxx xxxxxx xxxxxxxx xxxxxxx xxxx xxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxx xxxxxxxx x xxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxx xxxxxxx xxx xxxxxxxxx xxx xxxxxx xx xxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxx xxx xxxxxxxx x xx x x xxx xxxxxxxx xxxxxxx xxxxxxxx xx xxxx xxxxx xxxxx xx xxxxxxxx xxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxx xxxx xxx xxxxxxx xxxxx xx xxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxx xxxxxxxx xxxxxx xxxxx xxxx xxx xxxxxxxx xxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxx xxxxxxx xxxxx xxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxx xxxxxxxx xx

From an Iranian perspective, this record shows that Washington will take what it can get from talking to Iran on specific issues but is not prepared for real rapprochement. Yet American proponents of limited engagement anticipate that Tehran will play this fruitless game once more — even after numerous statements by senior administration figures targeting the Islamic Republic for prospective “regime change” and by President Bush himself that attacking Iran’s nuclear and national security infrastructure is “on the table.”


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Our experience dealing with xxxx xxxx Iranian diplomats over Afghanistan and in more recent private conversations in Europe and elsewhere convince us that Iran will not go down such a dead-end road again. Iran will not help the United States in Iraq because it wants to avoid chaos there; Tehran is well positioned to defend its interests in Iraq unilaterally as America flounders. Similarly, Iran will not accept strategically meaningful limits on its nuclear capabilities for a package of economic and technological goodies.


Iran will only cooperate with the United States, whether in Iraq or on the nuclear issue, as part of a broader rapprochement addressing its core security concerns. This requires extension of a United States security guarantee — effectively, an American commitment not to use force to change the borders or form of government of the Islamic Republic — bolstered by the prospect of lifting United States unilateral sanctions and normalizing bilateral relations. This is something no United States administration has ever offered, and that the Bush administration has explicitly refused to consider.

Indeed, no administration would be able to provide a security guarantee unless United States concerns about Iran’s nuclear activities, regional role and support for terrorist organizations were definitively addressed. That is why, at this juncture, resolving any of the significant bilateral differences between the United States and Iran inevitably requires resolving all of them. Implementing the reciprocal commitments entailed in a “grand bargain” would almost certainly play out over time and in phases, but all of the commitments would be agreed up front as a package, so that both sides would know what they were getting.

Unfortunately, the window for pursuing a comprehensive settlement with Iran will not be open indefinitely. The Iranian leadership is more radicalized today, with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as president, than it was three years ago, and could become more radicalized in the future, depending on who ultimately succeeds Ayatollah Ali Khamenei as supreme leader. If President Bush does not move decisively toward strategic engagement with Tehran during his remaining two years in office, his successor will not have the same opportunities that he will have so blithely squandered.






Flynt Leverett Blasts WhiteHouse National Security Council Censorship of Former WhiteHouse Official


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steve-clemons/flynt-leverett-blasts-whi_b_36523.html

John Bolton when he served as Under Secretary of State for Arms Control and International Security was famous for pounding intelligence officials hard until they coughed up intel reports and "frames" that fit the political objectives he had in mind.

The practice of politicizing intelligence in the Bush White House seems to be continuing with "friends lists" and "enemies lists" determining who should be rewarded or punished in the "secrets-clearing process" in cases where former goverment officials publish materials on U.S. foreign policy debates.

In an unprecedented case, the White House National Security Council staff has insinuated itself into a "secrets-clearing" process normally overseen by the CIA Publications Review Board which screens the written work of former government officials to make sure that state secrets don't find their way into the op-ed pages of the New York Times, Washington Post, or in other of the nation's leading papers, journals, and books.

Flynt Leverett, a former government official who worked at the Central Intelligence Agency, the Department of State, and on the National Security Council staff of the George W. Bush administration, is now a senior fellow and Director of the Geopolitics of Energy Initiative at the New America Foundation.

He has written numerous books, manuscripts, working papers, and many dozens upon dozens of some of the most important public policy op-ed commentary on American engagement in the Middle East and has always dutifully submitted his materials to the CIA's review process. Never -- not even once -- has been a word or item changed in anything submitted.


My understanding is that the White House staffers who have injected themselves into this process are working for Elliott Abrams and Megan O'Sullivan, both politically appointed deputies to President Bush's National Security Adviser, Stephen Hadley.

Their conduct in this matter is despicable and un-American in the profoundest sense of that term


Flynt Leverett Calls Ken Pollack 'Flat-Out Wrong'

Kenneth M. Pollack, Director of Research, Saban Center for Middle East Policy and Senior Fellow, Foreign Policy Studies, Brookings Institution at Washington Foreign Press Center Briefing on The Case for Invading Iraq."
http://www.brookings.edu/scholars/kpollack.htm
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/08/opinion/08pollack.html?ex=1323234000&en=e85a63d102419a90&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss
Don’t Count on Iran to Pick Up the Pieces


http://mondoweiss.observer.com/2006/12/flynt-leverett-calls-ken-pollack-flatout-wrong.html

A few minutes ago in a speech before the New America Foundation, Flynt Leverett, a former CIA and NSC official, attacked Kenneth Pollack, the "thinker" at Saban/Brookings who served up the Iraq war on a silver platter for liberals. Leverett said Pollack had made a "deeply-flawed and flat-out wrong case regarding WMD," which led him to assert in his book The Threatening Storm that invading Iraq was "the conservative option."

The speech was remarkable because Leverett once worked alongside Pollack at Brookings. Sort of like Anatol Lieven, who had to parachute out of Carnegie when they didn't want to hear what he had to say about Israel. "People at the thinktanks have courage somewhere between a seaslug and sheep-guts," Lieven told me earlier this year. What a pleasure to watch the war-party delaminate.

But how amazing is it that Pollack maintains credibility? "Now he's doing it on Iran," Leverett notes, pointing to a Dec. 8 Op-Ed in the Times. And at a CFR event not long ago, Pollack was all-but-praising neocon Reuel Marc Gerecht's burn-down-the-house option for Iran.




http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2006/12/18/18338378.php
Here is an excerpt of Leverett's statement on the affair.



' Until last week, the Publication Review Board had never sought to remove or change a single word in any of my drafts, including in all of my publications about the Bush administration's handling of Iran policy. However, last week, the White House inserted itself into the prepublication review process for an op-ed on the administration's bungling of the Iran portfolio that I had prepared for the New York Times, blocking publication of the piece on the grounds that it would reveal classified information.

This claim is false and, I have come to believe, fabricated by White House officials to silence an established critic of the administration's foreign policy incompetence at a moment when the White House is working hard to fend off political pressure to take a different approach to Iran and the Middle East more generally.

The op-ed is based on the longer paper I just published with The Century Foundation -- which was cleared by the CIA without modifying a single word of the draft. Officials with the CIA's Publication Review Board have told me that, in their judgment, the draft op-ed does not contain classified material, but that they must bow to the preferences of the White House.

The White House is demanding, before it will consider clearing the op-ed for publication, that I excise entire paragraphs dealing with matters that I have written about (and received clearance from the CIA to do so) in several other pieces, that have been publicly acknowledged by Secretary Rice, former Secretary of State Colin Powell, and former Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage, and that have been extensively covered in the media.

These matters include Iran's dialogue and cooperation with the United States concerning Afghanistan in the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks and Iran's offer to negotiate a comprehensive "grand bargain" with the United States in the spring of 2003.

There is no basis for claiming that these issues are classified and not already in the public domain.

For the White House to make this claim, with regard to my op-ed and at this particular moment, is nothing more than a crass effort to politicize a prepublication review process -- a process that is supposed to be about the protection of classified information, and nothing else -- to limit the dissemination of views critical of administration policy.

Within the last two week, the CIA found the wherewithal to approve an op-ed -- published in the New York Times on December 8, 2006 -- by Kenneth Pollack, another former CIA employee. This op-ed includes the statement that “Iran provided us with extensive assistance on intelligence, logistics, diplomacy, and Afghan internal politics."

Similar statements by me have been deleted from my draft op-ed by the White House. But Kenneth Pollack is someone who presented unfounded assessments of the Iraqi WMD threat -- the same assessments expounded by the Bush White House -- to make a high-profile public case for going to war in Iraq.

Mr. Pollack also supports the administration's reluctance to engage with Iran, in contrast to my consistent and sharp criticism of that position. It would seem that, if one is expounding views congenial to the White House, it does not intervene in prepublication censorship, but, if one is a critic, White House officials will use fraudulent charges of revealing classified information to keep critical views from being heard.

My understanding is that the White House staffers who have injected themselves into this process are working for Elliott Abrams and Megan O'Sullivan, both politically appointed deputies to President Bush's National Security Adviser, Stephen Hadley.

Their conduct in this matter is despicable and un-American in the profoundest sense of that term. '




http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Slaughter_asks_Bush_why_he_censored_1220.html
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 06:34 PM
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3. Hate to tell you this ..
but DU has copyright guidelines to protect themselves, as they should.

As for the story .. it won't be Iraq all over again. It will be a billion times worse.
Iraq didn't have nuclear energy.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 06:39 PM
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5. I'll believe Flynt Leverett over anything you type
Edited on Sun Nov-25-07 06:40 PM by seemslikeadream
and no need to lecture me on DU rules I've been here 5 years I'm well aware of the rules, sorry I didn't take enough out of the original article to suit you it's very long.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 07:07 PM
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7. It has nothing to do with me.
Edited on Sun Nov-25-07 07:11 PM by votesomemore
You're the one that broke the rule. Don't know why you're lecturing me. I was doing you a favor.

edit: and btw, you can believe anything you want. I'll go ahead and post my opinions if I am so moved.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 07:11 PM
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9. Well you took care of that
now you can continue watching for violations elswhere
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 07:17 PM
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10. You're welcome.
I want DU to be around for a long time. Copyright violations put us in jeopardy.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 07:38 PM
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12. oh please
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lynnertic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 11:52 AM
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21. Everyone's so snippy today. Tis the season?
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 08:25 PM
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13. Iraq did have nuclear energy BTW
Edited on Sun Nov-25-07 08:25 PM by seemslikeadream
It would be helpful to include dates in your post as to when you say Itaq didn't


http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/iraq/facility/osiraq.htm

The reactor was a type of French reactor named after Osiris, the Egyptian God of the dead. The French renamed the one being built in Iraq, "Osiraq" to blend the name Osiris with that of the recipient state, Iraq. French orthography then made it "Osirak." Iraq called the reactor "Tammuz," after the month in the Arabic calendar when the Ba'th party came to power in a 1968 coup.

Iraq began to expand its nuclear sector in the 1970's, but made little progress in the early 1980's, when most of its energy and attention were focused on the war against Iran. In September 1980, at the onset of the Iran-Iraq War, the Israeli Chief of Army Intelligence urged the Iranians to bomb Osiraq. On 30 September 1980 a a pair of Iranian Phantom jets, part of a larger group of aircraft attacking a conventional electric power plant near Baghdad, also bombed the Osiraq reactor. Minor damage to the reactor was reported. No further Iranian air attacks against Iraqi nuclear facilities were identified during the rest of the seven-year war.

When Israeli intelligence confirmed Iraq's intention of producing weapons at Osiraq, the Israeli government decided to attack. According to some estimates, Iraq in 1981 was still as much as five to ten years away from the ability to build a nuclear weapon. Others estimated at that time that Iraq might get its first such weapon within a year or two. Prime Minister Menachem Begin felt military action was the only remedy. Begin feared that his party would lose the next election, and he feared that the opposition party would not preempt prior to the production of the first Iraqi nuclear bomb.

The raid would have to occur before its first fuel was to be loaded, before the reactor went "hot" so as not to endanger the surrounding community. The target was distant: 1,100 km from Israel. Preparations included building target mock-ups and flying full scale dress-rehearsal missions. The aircrews were selected from the cream of the IAFs fighter corps. The IDF Chief-of-Staff, Lt. Gen. Rafael (Raful) Eitan, briefed the pilots personally. Displaying unusual emotion, he told them: "The alternative is our destruction". At 15:55 on 07 June 1981, the first F-15 and F-16's roared off the runway from Etzion Air Force Base in the south. Israeli air force planes flew over Jordanian, Saudi, and Iraqi airspace After a tense but uneventful low-level navigation route, the fighters reached their target. They popped up at 17:35 and quickly identified the dome gleaming in the late afternoon sunlight. Iraqi defenses were caught by surprise and opened fire too late. In one minute and twenty seconds, the reactor lay in ruins.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 11:24 PM
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15. Thanks.
I meant at the time of our invasion, of course, and I knew if I was wrong, someone would correct me.
Afterall, they did have UN inspectors ...
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 07:13 AM
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18. your welcome and
you do realize it is against DU rules to tell someone they're breaking DU rules, there I've broken the rules again but I just thought I make you aware of that
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 07:26 AM
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19. Without looking it up..
Edited on Mon Nov-26-07 07:40 AM by votesomemore
I think an honest heads up is not forbidden. I was not taunting you.
It was you who came into the discussion with a spirit of fear and taunts.
It seems that's the best you can do.
eom
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 10:38 PM
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29. Seemed pretty clear to me what you meant...nt
Sid
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 09:33 AM
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20. Or chemical and biological warheads, or anti-shipping missiles, or allies, or . . .
the ability to retaliate inside the U.S.

Iran does.

If you've liked the Iraq War, you'll just LOVE War with Iran.
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RufusEarl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 06:35 PM
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4. The Bush administration want oil not peace!
Peace Please!
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90-percent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 07:26 PM
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11. Bush admin wants?
So far it has gotten neither peace nor oil.

Just what the hell do they want, anyway?

Other than turning America into a facist police state, I mean?

-85% Jimmy
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 11:58 AM
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22. It's not about getting the oil...
It's about controlling the oil, a subtle difference.

FWIW, what I've been able to find out, which is precious little, the only Iraqi oil on the market now is via the unmetered pipeline into Saudi Arabia.

-Hoot
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 06:45 PM
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6. K&R
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 07:10 PM
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8. apparently Hillary Knows
and many democrats in congress and they are FOR IT! Give me a break about the fucking Iran threat already you traitors! They sound just like neocons!
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 10:31 PM
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14. Hi seemslikeadream!!!
Edited on Sun Nov-25-07 10:32 PM by Joanne98
:hi:
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 11:30 PM
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16. Thanks Seems! K & R n/t
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Orwellian_Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 12:59 AM
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17. There's so much that people don't know
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 12:02 PM
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23. And the wingnuts would say, "Who cares?"
These people WANT a war with Iran - and it doesn't matter to them that the Bush Administration is acting covertly.

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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 01:54 PM
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24. I think this Ananapolis Meeting is to give the one last try
before the war with Iran
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 03:18 PM
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25. Recommended. I would be shocked if bombing did NOT commence before 1/20/09.
But hey, I'm not Nostradamus.

:hi:
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 05:54 PM
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26. afternoon kick
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 10:32 PM
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27. kick
:kick:
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 10:37 PM
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28. Altough the drum roll is not as intense as with Irag, an unannounced attack?
Possibly with the neocons running ammock.
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