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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 04:32 AM
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"The Peak Oil Crisis: Wall Street Comes To Reality" (in baby steps)
New article in Wall Street Journal admits world about to face problems pumping enough oil to meet projected demand. The article talks about oil production reaching a plateau from where no further increases in production are possible. Still doesn't want to admit that it's not long after the plateau is reached that an actual decline in production will set in.

The Peak Oil Crisis: Wall Street Comes To Reality
Written by Tom Whipple
Thursday, 22 November 2007

SNIP

From time to time they would report some good news such as “billions of barrels found 25,000 ft under the Gulf” or “steaming out sticky oil will save us.” However, they never got around to asking what is involved in extracting oil from deepwater wells or just where all that tar-melting steam was coming from. Anyone who questioned that oil production could keep on growing for the foreseeable future was castigated as lunatic fringe.

This make-believe world finally came crashing down on Monday when the Wall Street Journal published a front-page story admitting there was a big, big problem with oil production just ahead. Now the flagship of economic journalism does not come to such a decision lightly. To admit that you have been dead wrong in ignoring the most important economic issue the world is likely to face in the next century certainly strains your journalistic credibility.

There must have been hours of agonized meetings in the offices of senior Journal editors as they hashed out just how to break the news that world oil production was about to peak without admitting that the world is arriving at peak oil.

The solution turned out to be rather ingenious. Write a story about a new kind of “plateauing oil” that has just been recognized while continuing to bash the old “peak oil.” Sophistry? Of course, but it enables the Journal to maintain that all-important face.

The title of the Journal’s story sets the stage “OIL OFFICIALS SEE LIMIT LOOMING ON PRODUCTION.” The first sentence carries the message “A growing number of oil-industry chieftains are endorsing an idea long deemed fringe: The world is approaching a practical limit to the number of barrels of crude oil that can be pumped every day.”

http://www.fcnp.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2123&Itemid=35


Found the link to this story at www.energybulletin.net a good source for energy related/peak oil related news from around the world.
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 07:29 AM
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1. Here we go with another Peak Oil story
There is a hell of a lot of supply @ $100 a barrel... the supply BS is not the story.


The real danger comes from the huge demand now being created by India and China. The truth is on this planet we can mine hydrocarbons of all sorts for the next 500 years or so. The REAL danger to civilization is what that would do to the atmosphere.

We have to build alternatives now, but not on the basis of BS Peak Oil theory. Life on our planet dies long before we burn through all of our hydrocarbons.
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 07:57 AM
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2. *Sigh*
You have no idea what you are talking about.

Sorry.
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tanstaafl Donating Member (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 08:03 AM
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3. Peak Oil is real and the story is not BS
Peak Oil is real and claiming its BS will not change the facts. You need to start living in the reality based world.

US Oil peaked in the 70's as well as a number of other countries. T Boone Pickens a major Texas oil man talked about Peak Oil recently on nationwide TV.

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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 09:16 AM
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5. T Boone Pickens is a proved LIAR and Coward
It matters not what he says whether it has a grain of truth or not. He is not a credible person...
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 12:25 AM
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10. I could give you a list a mile long of people who agree with
Pickens. But why bother?
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 12:39 PM
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9. And Pickens is a great American and Scientist....
Personally, don't put my faith there...
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 11:00 AM
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6. "The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function"
Anyone who thinks that supply is not a problem (or will not be in the near future) needs to watch the video presentation by retired physics professor Albert Bartlett (quoted in the subject line) on exponential growth and the affect it has on resource consumption. The world's economies have been built on the assumption that they could expand forever as they could always easily (and cheaply) just pump more and more oil as it was needed to provide the energy which enabled that growth. The problem of exponential growth is that even relatively small but constant rates of increase in consumption of oil (or any other item) leads to quite enormous quantities of oil being consumed in a much shorter period of time than most people would intuitively think likely or even possible.

The doubling time for consumption is calculated by dividing the growth rate into the number 70. If, for example, starting today Nov 23 2007 the world's oil consumption grows at a constant 3%, in 23.3333 years (70/3) oil consumption would have doubled and we would be consuming twice as much oil as we are today. The other implication of exponential growth is that in that single 23 year period between 2007 and 2030 more oil would be consumed than has been consumed in the 150 years or so between the start of the oil age (around 1860) to 2007. Likewise, if that 3% growth continued for another 23 years from 2030 to 2063, the amount of oil consumed between 2030 and 2063 would be greater than all the oil consumed in history between 1860 and 2030.

That sounds like an awful lot of oil we would need to find (or alternative fuels and energy sources we would need to develop) to keep the world's economic growth engines running as is. Since oil discovery peaked in the 1960's we have been burning about 3 to 4 times as much oil as we have been discovering, and even the relatively recent "big finds" announced in the media like the Tupi field in the Atlantic off Brazil do not come close to matching in size the old supergiant stalwarts like Gahwar which provided 50% of Saudi Arabia's oil and is now suspected by many to be entering decline.

A Real Player video of Professor Bartlett's talk on exponential growth is here: http://globalpublicmedia.com/dr_albert_bartlett_arithmetic_population_and_energy

At the above link you can also get transcripts and a downloadable MP3 audio of the lecture if you don't like or don't use Real Player

Snip from the transcript where Professor Bartlett uses a chessboard to illustrate how exponential growth leads to enormous numbers much sooner than you might think:


You just take the number 70, divide it by the percent growth per unit time and that gives you the doubling time. So our example of 5% per year, you divide the 5 into 70, you find that growing quantity will double in size every 14 years.

Well, you might ask, where did the 70 come from? The answer is that it's approximately 100 multiplied by the natural logarithm of two. If you wanted the time to triple, you'd use the natural logarithm of three. So it's all very logical. But you don't have to remember where it came from, just remember 70.

I wish we could get every person to make this mental calculation every time we see a percent growth rate of anything in a news story. For example, if you saw a story that said things had been growing 7% per year for several recent years, you wouldn't bat an eyelash. But when you see a headline that says crime has doubled in a decade, you say “My heavens, what's happening?”

SNIP

Now let me give you an example to show the enormous numbers you can get with just a modest number of doublings.

Legend has it that the game of chess was invented by a mathematician who worked for a king. The king was very pleased. He said, “I want to reward you.” The mathematician said “My needs are modest. Please take my new chess board and on the first square, place one grain of wheat. On the next square, double the one to make two. On the next square, double the two to make four. Just keep doubling till you've doubled for every square, that will be an adequate payment.” We can guess the king thought, “This foolish man. I was ready to give him a real reward; all he asked for was just a few grains of wheat.”

But let's see what is involved in this. We know there are eight grains on the fourth square. I can get this number, eight, by multiplying three twos together. It's 2x2x2, it's one 2 less than the number of the square. Now that continues in each case. So on the last square, I’d find the number of grains by multiplying 63 twos together.

Now let’s look at the way the totals build up. When we add one grain on the first square, the total on the board is one. We add two grains, that makes a total of three. We put on four grains, now the total is seven. Seven is a grain less than eight, it's a grain less than three twos multiplied together. Fifteen is a grain less than four twos multiplied together. That continues in each case, so when we’re done, the total number of grains will be one grain less than the number I get multiplying 64 twos together. My question is, how much wheat is that?

You know, would that be a nice pile here in the room? Would it fill the building? Would it cover the county to a depth of two meters? How much wheat are we talking about?

The answer is, it's roughly 400 times the 1990 worldwide harvest of wheat. That could be more wheat than humans have harvested in the entire history of the earth. You say, “How did you get such a big number?” and the answer is, it was simple. We just started with one grain, but we let the number grow steadily till it had doubled a mere 63 times.

Now there's something else that’s very important: the growth in any doubling time is greater than the total of all the preceding growth. For example, when I put eight grains on the 4th square, the eight is larger than the total of seven that were already there. I put 32 grains on the 6th square. The 32 is larger than the total of 31 that were already there. Every time the growing quantity doubles, it takes more than all you’d used in all the proceeding growth.

http://globalpublicmedia.com/transcripts/645
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Ezlivin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 11:35 AM
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7. Thanks for your effort. Unfortunately it will be either ignored or not comprehended.
Our culture is chalk-full of people who really can't comprehend math or think that technology will solve any problem. We often hear this techno-worship prefaced with the comment "If we could put a man on the moon..." Much like the cargo cults of the South Pacific, they think that if we can just get the right group of people working on a problem it can be solved; all we need is a room with computers and scientists and then the answer will appear.

Unless one takes the time to really educate oneself on the special nature of our one-time gift from Mother Nature, it's easy to overestimate mankind's ability to match this fuel source through other means. Petroleum is a very, very special form of compact energy that cannot be equaled. Nothing else comes close to this stored solar energy. It took millions of years to create the store that we have depleted. We are living in a very special time. Cheap oil has allowed us to live way beyond our means. It has enabled us to grow our population beyond sustainable levels. Our technology, including putting the aforementioned man on the moon, was made possible by this power source. Without it we could not have progressed so quickly.

Unfortunately our culture will cling to this power source and demand to continue a lifestyle that is no longer possible, all the while desperately awaiting another technological miracle to keep the machinery running. All the articles in the world about exponential functions and asymptotes will get you nowhere. Not only do people not understand, they don't want to understand the gravity of the situation.
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 01:16 AM
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11. So true, people will hang onto the lifestyle & exacerbate the problem
"We have PLENTY of oil!" most say. "Look at ANWR, and there's lots in the Gulf too! And Canadian shale!"

Well, ANWR's reserves are a spit in the bucket of demand, and the Gulf's are growing more difficult to get at, and ALL of it is going to require a lot more $$ to lift and will result in even more damage to the environment which we can't afford...and the end result will still be the same: eventually, we'll run out.

I saw a neighbor kid riding some kind of gas-powered go-cart tonight with his friends and all I could think was, "Enjoy it while you can, kid. By the time you're an adult, these will be the good old days of 'limitless' cheap fossil fuel."
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AlertLurker Donating Member (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 09:06 AM
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4. This is why Iraq and Iran are SO IMPORTANT.
They are apparently the only places in the world where exploration efforts are finding sizeable, easy, new deposits...
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rndmprsn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 12:31 PM
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8. ding ding ding...
cause and effect...if what you say is true, then you know why we are in iraq and soon to be in iran
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