Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Scientists Find Fossil of Enormous Bug

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU
 
Akoto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 05:04 PM
Original message
Scientists Find Fossil of Enormous Bug
Scientists Find Fossil of Enormous Bug

By THOMAS WAGNER – 1 day ago

LONDON (AP) — This was a bug you couldn't swat and definitely couldn't step on. British scientists have stumbled across a fossilized claw, part of an ancient sea scorpion, that is of such large proportion it would make the entire creature the biggest bug ever.

How big? Bigger than you, and at 8 feet long as big as some Smart cars.

The discovery in 390-million-year-old rocks suggests that spiders, insects, crabs and similar creatures were far larger in the past than previously thought, said Simon Braddy, a University of Bristol paleontologist and one of the study's three authors.

"This is an amazing discovery," he said Tuesday.

Link: http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gQ9X4-OozXU0E52gi-xaqJR9WsEAD8T1QCIO0
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 05:07 PM
Response to Original message
1. so much for the idea that an exoskeleton
limits the size of insects.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Donald Ian Rankin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 06:16 PM
Response to Reply #1
9. This wasn't an insect, and it was aquatic.
The giant Japanese spider crab is still around today, and gets nearly as big as this. If you live underwater then you can get much bigger.

On land, I imagine an exoskeleton may well be much more of a limiting factor - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthropleura got huge, but was always low to the ground.

I suspect that insect size is going to be limited as much by the inefficiency of their respiration compared with vertebrates as by exoskeleton, though.

(Disclaimer: I'm not an entomologist; most of this is pure guesswork based on half-remembered pop science books and should not be regarded as in any way authoritative.)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 11:07 PM
Response to Reply #9
17. this from the article --
''The discovery in 390-million-year-old rocks suggests that spiders, insects, crabs and similar creatures were far larger in the past than previously thought, said Simon Braddy, a University of Bristol paleontologist and one of the study's three authors.''

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 05:12 PM
Response to Original message
2. They obviously didn't have "Raid" around in those days.
And, having "a bug in your ear", or a "bee in your bonnet", would be a tad more serious of an observation than it is now.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 05:13 PM
Response to Original message
3. "...our client, Mr. DeLay, was gratified with the conclusive results of the geneaological
Edited on Thu Nov-22-07 05:23 PM by Old Crusoe
research in his behalf."
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 05:17 PM
Response to Original message
4. You would think that if the earth were only 7,000 years old as Creationists assert, then...
the Old Testament would have something to say about giant dinosaurs and mosquitoes.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 05:31 PM
Response to Reply #4
5. A scorpion is not a bug.
Humans would not have survived if they were living among the creatures that got wiped out before
humans emerged.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Kansas Wyatt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 05:43 PM
Response to Reply #4
6. 'God put it there to test your faith.'
Now who can argue with that in a RATIONAL conversation?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
lutefisk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 05:44 PM
Response to Original message
7. and I thought "enormous bug" was an oxymoron...
:shrug:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
slowry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 05:53 PM
Response to Original message
8. Scary. Glad they got nerfed. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BelgianMadCow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 06:32 PM
Response to Reply #8
10. "nerfed" lol
yeah a bit much don't you think?

It was better before 1.2 when you could have a great fight with a Venom Spider :-)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 06:48 PM
Response to Original message
11. They say that an oxygen-rich atmosphere enabled HUGE insescts
Like Arthropleura, the giant millipede, here shown in an imaginary encounter with a human:

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 07:59 PM
Response to Original message
12. Repulsive insects can grow very large - take this species, for instance.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 08:35 PM
Response to Original message
13. Aaargh ... eurypterids are not scorpions, and certainly not "bugs" ...
as closely related to crabs and trilobites as to insects.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
gatorboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 08:39 PM
Response to Original message
14. Ack! Looks like something from "The Mist".
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
booley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 09:19 PM
Response to Original message
15. Didn't we already know this?
I mean they had unearthed a 6 foot centipede on land years ago.

We already knew invertibrates could grow big, the only real limiter was the amount of oxygen available.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 10:55 PM
Response to Original message
16. Please! Don't tell Swamp Rat!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Thu May 02nd 2024, 05:00 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC