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panzerfaust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 10:52 AM
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US leads world in jailing children for life
From The Sydney Morning Herald:

“The United States has far more juveniles serving life terms than any other country - 2387…life terms have fallen disproportionately on non-white children, who are 10 times more likely than white children to be given life without parole… ‘harsh sentences dispensed in adult courts do not take into account the lessened culpability of juvenile offenders…’”

Where is God’s mercy here in God’s Own (New) Chosen Land? Of course, number two in number of Lifer-Kids is God’s (Original) Chosen Land: Israel.

At least He is consistent.

It would be so much better for all if we could leave behind the savagery of “an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth” that the Abrahamic religions all teach. Truly, I do see a correlation between Abrahamic teachings and the lack of compassion shown to the weak, the troubled, the guilty.

What can be done with these kids? Here in Texas, a young man of 25 is trying to be released from prison. He was sentenced to life at age 12 for some savage crime. After more than half of his lifetime in my state’s wonderful penitentiary system – what are the odds that, no matter what his true condition was at age 12, he can be anything other than a merciless predator if he were to be freed?

The mistake was the original sentence. There is ample data to support that the human brain is not fully developed until the early twenties (at which point, sadly, it begins to deteriorate). By what justice can a child of 8, or 10, or 12 be locked up for the rest of their lives, no matter what the crime?

Children are NOT adults. There is a place for retributive justice, but such justice is not for children.

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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 10:55 AM
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1. How can we say we're free if we have 3 million people in prison?
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flashl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 10:59 AM
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2. Prisons with factories behind fences need life time workers. n/t
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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 11:04 AM
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4. That's exactly where our police state is headed. nt.
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flashl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 01:17 PM
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5. Unfortunately, its not the future. We can't believe our lying eyes.
A Journal post:

Prison labor on the rise in US
8 May 2000


US trade union officials have repeatedly denounced China for its use of prison labor, as part of the AFL-CIO's campaign against the normalization of trade relations with China. At the same time, however, the union officials have virtually been silent about the huge growth of prison labor in the United States.

There are presently 80,000 inmates in the US employed in commercial activity, some earning as little as 21 cents an hour. The US government program Federal Prison Industries (FPI) currently employs 21,000 inmates, an increase of 14 percent in the last two years alone. FPI inmates make a wide variety of products—such as clothing, file cabinets, electronic equipment and military helmets—which are sold to federal agencies and private companies. FPI sales are $600 million annually and rising, with over $37 million in profits.

In addition, during the last 20 years more than 30 states have passed laws permitting the use of convict labor by commercial enterprises. These programs now exist in 36 states.

Prisoners now manufacture everything from blue jeans, to auto parts, to electronics and furniture. Honda has paid inmates $2 an hour for doing the same work an auto worker would get paid $20 to $30 an hour to do. Konica has used prisoners to repair copiers for less than 50 cents an hour. Toys R Us used prisoners to restock shelves, and Microsoft to pack and ship software. Clothing made in California and Oregon prisons competes so successfully with apparel made in Latin America and Asia that it is exported to other countries.

Inmates are also employed in a wide variety of service jobs as well. TWA has used prisoners to handle reservations, while AT&T has used prison labor for telemarketing. In Oregon, prisoners do all the data entry and record keeping in the Secretary of State's corporation division. Other jobs include desktop publishing, digital mapping and computer-aided design work.

US employers have pointed to the tight labor market for their interest in employing prisoners. But the other advantages, though not stated publicly, are obvious. The prison system can provide an “ideal” workforce: employers do not have to pay health or unemployment insurance, vacation time, sick leave or overtime.

They can hire, fire or reassign inmates as they so desire, and can pay the workers as little as 21 cents an hour. The inmates cannot respond with a strike, file a grievance, or threaten to leave and get a better job.

Prisoners who refuse to work under these conditions are labeled “uncooperative” and risk losing time off for “good behavior,” as well as privileges such as library access and recreation. In one case, two prisoners at California's Richard J. Donovan Correctional Facility were put in solitary confinement after a local television station broadcast their complaints about working for C.M.T., a T-shirt manufacturer that required them to put in 60 days of unpaid “training.”

The growth of prison labor has directly led to the destruction of other workers' jobs. For example, Lockhart Technologies, Inc. closed its plant in Austin, Texas, dismissing its 150 workers so that it could open shop in a state prison in Lockhart.

The prisoners assemble circuit boards for industrial giants such as IBM, Compaq and Dell. Lockhart is not required to pay for health or any other benefits. The company must pay the prison the federal minimum wage for each laborer, but the inmates get to keep only 20 percent of that.

Linen service workers have lost their jobs when their employer contracted with the prison laundry to do the work. Recycling plant workers have lost their jobs when prisoners were brought in to sort through hazardous waste, often without proper protective gear. Construction workers have lost their jobs when the contractors were assigned to build an expansion of their own prison—essentially making the chains that bind them....



Many in the U.S. believes that job loss is from immigration when they are actually competing with prison labor. One of the first industries that lost this battle was the furniture industry.
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goddess40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 11:02 AM
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3. Waiving kids to adult court is a sick trend
By waiving a kid to adult court we are saying you are worthless and you can not be helped. Wisconsin automatically waives 17 year olds for any crime.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 01:20 PM
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6. We're #1!!!111
U-S-A! U-S-A!
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Ivan Sputnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 01:55 PM
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7. We make so many decisions in this country
based on emotion, not logic (never mind compassion). This is a weird country.
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