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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 02:25 PM
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Yesterday I felt the wind change directions, it does not feel like a Hillary victory anymore
I have no real anecdotal evidence beyond some new polls which show a tightening of the race; but for this one voter anyway - I sense a shift in the political winds.

For the first time in a long time, it seems Hillary's armour is showing more cracks. I think her front runner status has taken a toll on her campaigns' endurance.

It was subtle at first, but I'm beginning to believe that just maybe the M$M may have it wrong. As more and more people create a new mindset that she can be beaten, that in itself will generate a new kind of momentum. And I'm hearing a greater sense of optimism among the party faithful that the race will be far more competitive then the pundits who claim it will be history by Super Tuesday.
In fact, there may be a lot of surprised folks making the Sunday talk show rounds in a few months.

Does she really have the right stuff to be our Democratic president? That question is being asked now in a far more realistic way then it was even 6 months ago.

There are plenty of Obama and Edwards optimists out there who will claim that they will be the benefactors of Hillary's lost momentum; that remains to be seen. Though I can say that yesterday I had a sense that indeed, there is a damn good chance that someone other than Hillary will win in Iowa. She loses there, she can lose anywhere. No longer is it just wishful thinking, but for the first time in a long time --- I really feel like Hillary will not be our nominee.

It is just a feeling, but I like it! :hi:

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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 02:34 PM
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1. It's just a feeling - you're wrong.
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 04:09 PM
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12. right or wrong?
Of course, one of us is indeed....right. :hi:

Like I said, just a feeling - as is yours.

Wait and see.
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 03:03 PM
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2. I have a feeling your fooling, foolish fooled...
what a bunch of crap...I do not believe that anybody in this country really believes that Obama has a chance to be president, much less win ONE STATE. I guess it don't take too much to fool his supporters....
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 04:04 PM
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11. what a bunch of arrogance...
Edited on Tue Nov-20-07 04:11 PM by RiverStone
Ultimately, who the fuck knows what the future shall bring.

Guessing and feelings about things are the best we can do for now.

What really is a "bunch of crap" is an arrogance which adds nothing to the debate, but it does remind people of the attitude of inevitability (that she will win) which the corporate M$M has exhibited from day one.
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ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 03:05 PM
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3. I like it too!
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 03:06 PM
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4. And since when are the
lying pundits right, ever?

Hopefully, we will get a real leader for our next Prez and not some creation of the corporatemediawhores.
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MissDeeds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 03:12 PM
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5. I like your optimism
:toast:
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 03:32 PM
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6. "In a close race there is only one thing worse than being behind,... that's being ahead."
It is incredibly hard to lead from start to finish in a tight political race.

AS the frontrunner people are likely to have heard everything about you months before the election actually takes place. That is usually not true about the opponent who is surging.

And it is much tougher to hang onto a small lead than to surge to a win in the last few days of an election.

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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 03:38 PM
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7. I just told my wife today
that I feel like her veneer has cracked significantly . . . and the underneath is the same (old) paper we painted over at the end of her husband's presidency. It's not pretty. I can't sense whether there will be a shift of support to one of the others (I don't think Obama's is solid either) or a partial collapse of hers and a limp through to the general
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 03:39 PM
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8. That's a breath of fresh air! n/t
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 03:50 PM
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9. I did sense a turn in the tide.
Some of it is that the M$M who has been really pushing her backed off and started to do the negatives on her like they did after they pumped Obama for so long and then turned on him...and it's interesting that MSNBC had Mika interview Elizabeth Edwards and that Scarborough Political Gossip fest featured snips of the Elizabeth interview on both yesterday's show and today's (where the full interview was aired).

I think the M$M is working through the Dem Candidates trashing each one after they've bumped them as they go down the line. They smacked Kucinich with one hand by putting out "UFO MAN" when Dems started to show more interest in him and when they knew he would introduce Impeachment of Cheney.

I thought that Hillary was their true pick for the Nomination and it may be they will get back to pumping her when they've damaged all the others. But, I wonder if the Public isn't getting worried about the Bush/Clinton/Clinton/Bush thingy and so the M$M doesn't want to tip their hand to soon by being so agressive in their approval of her.

But, I think it's going to be much different than it seemed with the frontrunners because it would be very boring to the pundits to choose the frontrunner and have to spend a year on a candidate that they would be bored with trying to trash. It's not enough of a challenge for them. They like to have a little more action in trashing all the Dems before they get their final choice.

I know this is cynical...but many of us are at this point... :-(
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CT_Progressive Donating Member (889 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 03:53 PM
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10. I sensed a disturbance in fhe Force, too.
Makes me want to believe in the 6th sense.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 12:55 AM
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13. Just remember, when Sen Clinton polls 40% that means 60% are against her. Just sayin. nm
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tinrobot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 01:19 AM
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15. Doesn't work that way...
It doesn't mean they're "against" her, it just means that they're not "for" her.

Just because I like Edwards doesn't mean I'm against any of the other candidates. Any of them would be good presidents.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 01:45 AM
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19. Yeah I understand. My point (poor as it is) is that 60% are for someone other
than Sen Clinton therefore if they got together they could elect Edwards for example. Now spare me the explanation of how they won't all get together, I understand. But I think a lot of non-Clinton supporters may switch to Edwards or Obama when it comes time to pull the lever. Just sayin'
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 02:32 AM
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22. Biden? Biden? Not one mention of my guy? Just wanted to rectify that. Carry on. :-) nt
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weeve Donating Member (427 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 01:00 AM
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14. I totally agree.
John Edwards was the first to pop her "inevitable" bubble, and try to get her to face the issues. He's going all the way, and will win Iowa.
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Hailtothechimp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 01:22 AM
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16. Obama's J-J speech is what did it
He went back to his theme-first stated at the 2004 convention-of rejecting the Red/Blue divide in America. It formed in the Clinton years, has hardened since 2000, and seems to be Hillary's ticket to the White House.

Or so she hopes.

I can't live under another 4 years of the Red & the Blue. And that's just what Hillary promises to give us.

Obama rejects that, and that's what will win him the nomination and the presidency.
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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 01:31 AM
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17. You may be right about eroding support...
...however, whichever candidate seems to be overtaking her will, in due course, be gutted like a fish by MSM. There is no alternative to Hillary as the Dem nominee, the people's will notwithstanding.
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 01:44 AM
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18. Shhhh....your not sticking to the script that the media and Clinton campaign wants us to follow...
:hi:
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 01:46 AM
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20. There's no question
the race is tightening - I always believed it would. But she's still the best bet to secure the nomination.

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Sanctified Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 01:46 AM
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21. She has the money and the backing so she is going to get it.
Nothing else really matters other than money and backing.
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