Do the anti-Hillary folks here on DU feel like hypocrites regarding the McCain supporter?

[journalist3072]

Just a question for the anti-Hillary contingent here on DU:

Do you feel like hypocrites for criticizing John McCain's response to the supporter who called Hillary Clinton a "b*tch."

Many of you have basically said the same thing, and much worse, about her.

Yet, you criticize McCain for basically standing there and not rebuking the supporter.

Now, I personally think he should have rebuked the person, and said "You may criticize Sen. Clinton on the issues if you will. But that type of name-calling has no place in this campaign."

But my point is all the hypocrisy here on DU.

[Lautremont]

1. No.

[eleny]

2. We are not candidates - He is

No comparison.

[journalist3072]

8. That's a sorry excuse if ever I heard one.

It makes no difference that he's a candidate and you are not. That has absolutely nothing to do with it.

It's about hypocrisy, and the fact that many DUers have done nothing but repeat right-wing talking points about Sen. Clinton. Yet, some DUers were quick to denounce McCain for his non-response to his supporter calling Sen. Clinton a "b*tch."

[eleny]

19. His being a candidate has everything to do with it

Btw, while you're cultivating your righteousness - why don't you stop being such a finger wagging bore.

Btw, welcome to my ignore list. It's walk the plank fer you matey.... arrgh ... there ya go ... here comes the splash http://www.mediacollege.com/downloads/sound-effects/water/splash-04.wav

[journalist3072]

29. I obviously disagree with you that just because you are not a candidate, that gives you the right to

call Sen. Clinton whatever you want. You (and every other DUer who has done it) have no morale high-ground to criticize McCain.

[Riktor]

30. Correct

The First Amendment gives us the right to call Clinton whatever we want.

Second, two wrongs don't make a right. A person's character does not determine the factuality of his or her statements.

This is a campaign, and there will be mudslinging. The camps are divided and have retreated into their asinine "us or them", myopic and compartmentalized view of reality. You conveniently tear apart the "anti-Hillary" camp, while I can point to numerous instances of Hillary supporters merely writing off the litany of her legitimate detractions as nothing more than "sexism" or "Hillary bashing". This crap is more entertaining than the Monty Python "election" sketch.

[AuntPatsy]

34. i agree with you.

[MethuenProgressive]

3. "But that type of name-calling has no place in this campaign." McCain

He really said that? Good for him!

[journalist3072]

5. No....He didn't. I was saying that's what I would have liked for him to say...Instead, he just

basically stood there.

[MethuenProgressive]

22. Ah, OK.

Thanks for helping me understand what happened.

[peacebird]

4. To be a hypocrite I would have to have called out McCain for standing by, I have not done so.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

6. I'm criticizing McCain's response?

:P

[adigal]

7. I dislike Hillary, but have never called her a name like that

Instead, I call her Madam Fundraiser, and a Corporate Whore.

:)

[journalist3072]

9. Gee, that's really adult of you. You should be proud. eom

[ronnykmarshall]

24. Yeah Whore is such a lovely word.

:eyes:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

27. I object to that name calling.

There are plenty of whores who never supported the war.

:P

[rateyes]

32. How about...

Corporate War Whore? :evilgrin:

[mwb970]

50. Nice. Thanks for your views. /nt

[11 Bravo]

10. Experience has shown that most of the disparagers at DU ...

and I include those who slam Clinton, Obama, Kucinich, Edwards, Richardson, Biden, and any other Dem candidate; don't appear to possess a sufficiently introspective nature to enable them to identify their own hypocrisy.

[Forkboy]

33. Very insightful post.

:thumbsup:

[quinnox]

11. excellent question

But sadly I think many of the anti-Hillary crowd would cheer him on and say bravo rather than disagree with McCain on this, so deep is their hatred.

[Blashyrkh]

12. Do you think its appropriate to project behaviour onto an entire group of people?

Any opportunity to call everyone you disagree with a hypocrite, eh? And based on nothing no less!

[Cha]

13. No, and by the way..

this post is so full of bullshit..no thanks, for your desperate monitering.

"Just a question", eh? Or more distraction from the hillary "don't look at what she does..look at what she says", campaign?

[Bonobo]

14. Calling someone a "bitch" is no worse than calling someone a "bastard".

Depending on the context, it has even been used as a compliment or point of pride, such as "I can be a real bitch when I want to be."

As a linguist, I find it silly that people want to limit the use of certain words as if they contain magical properties. Use them, take responsibility for them. It's the joy of language!

Biden is a bastard.
Hillary is a bitch.

So, the answer is no. I think the guy has a right to call Hillary a bitch. I never criticized him for that. But I would criticize McCain for not being offended by it. It was impolitic.

It was offensive to you. So if you ever meet the guy who said it, make him pay, ok. But don't say people can't use a fucking (word chosen carefully) word.

Jesus. Imagine putting an asterisk in the word "bitch". If a right wing wingnut did it, I would know what I was looking at. That kind of authoritarianism is certainly unwelcome with me.

[Mythsaje]

36. As an author, I generally agree...

I tend to choose my words carefully. And I refuse to resort to name-calling when critizing Hillary or any other candidate, simply because I don't think it's in the least bit productive.

[dsc]

48. when powerful men get treated like powerful women

then I will agree with you. When women have got 43 straight Presidents with nary a man serving then I will agree with you. When women earn the same wages as men for the same work, then I will agree with you. Until then, there is a major difference.

[earthlover]

15. Oh please...has anyone on DU called Hillary a BITCH?

I don't think so.

But if anyone here did call her a bitch, and objected to someone else calling her a bitch, then THAT would be hypocrisy.

I think that it is safe to say, you are chasing something that is not there.

[Norwood]

16. Nope not in the least

He's a presidential candidate and I'm not.

[marmar]

17. Do the pro-Hillary folks here EVER get tired of whining?

I'm not even someone who's chosen a candidate (looks like my earth-loving choice isn't running) or who reads election threads all that often, but the whiny threads are pervasive.

[Chulanowa]

18. An image comes to mind when I see threads like this.

Leave Hillary ALONE! She's a HUMAN!

Seriously, I don't think she should be called a bitch, whore, or anything like that. But I do think she's more than capable of handling such insults and doesn't really need a gaggle of groupies coming out to mangle the heels of people who don't mindlessly support her every word or action, as being equal to the dude who called her a bitch.

[babylonsister]

20. I'm not a supporter but I've never called any candidate that, so please

broaden that narrow brush you're painting with.

[scarletwoman]

21. "Many of you have basically said the same thing, and much worse, about her." I call bullshit.

Prove it. Let's see some documentation.

I have personally NEVER called her a "bitch". I prefer to call her "Warrior Queen of the New World Order".

sw

[Bright Eyes]

23. I don't recall ever calling Ms.Clinton a bi*ch(on this forum)

Or anywhere else, for that matter.

[Lilith Velkor]

25. Do pro-Hillary folks always get a lobotomy before posting on DU?

Jesus Fucking Christ.

[HughMoran]

37. Personal attacks will solve all of out problems!

I'm series!!!!!!!!111111!!!!!!!

[Lilith Velkor]

39. Oh look, here comes the Chief with your pillow.

All your problems will be solved shortly.

[BenDavid]

40. I support HRC, and when I have something to express I

usually make a damn good attempt at it. Unlike many in here that really support no one but are truly clinton haters and if we could hear the audio from you all, it would be, talking loud and saying NOTHING!

Shalom
Ben David

[Lilith Velkor]

42. I don't hate Clinton.

I just don't like broadbrush flamebait that looks like it was posted by a halfwit.

Bloody hell. Chill the fuck out.

[JackRiddler]

45. Can we initiate a Dumbest Page?

[Lilith Velkor]

47. For real.

[RaleighNCDUer]

26. Of course, ALL anti-Hillary folks are the same, all of them are spiteful

name-calling Hillary Haters, who get regular texts of what we are supposed to call her.

:eyes:

I, for one, like most I've seen here, have never called Hillary any name worse than a stooge for the DLC - which is, frankly, the worst that I can come up with - all other appelations pale in comparison.

[grace0418]

28. I've never called Hillary a bitch. Even so, there are appropriate and inappropriate

places to state one's opinions, especially when they are harsh. There are plenty of things I might say when talking with friends that are not appropriate to say during a job interview. John McCain is essentially interviewing for a job interview, and should know that his supporters' public comments reflect on him.

[Horse with no Name]

31. I don't like Hillary. However, I don't believe I have ever called her a bitch.

But my disagreements with her are on a much higher level than misogynistic playground name-calling.

[Mythsaje]

35. I've never called her ANY name...

I "attack" her based on her positions on the issues. Personal attacks are a waste of time and energy. There are plenty of fact-based reasons to oppose her candidacy.

"Lobbyists represent REAL Americans."

Well, yeah...SOME of them do. Some of them represent ARTIFICIAL Americans.

[rucky]

38. What type of response were you really expecting? n/t

[bvar22]

41. I have never called Hillary a bi*ch,.

Why waste words when dirty pictures are so much better.










"What are the Liberals going to do?
Vote for a Republican?!!!!! Hahahahahahahahahaha"

[Stephanie]

43. "Many of you have basically said the same thing, and much worse, about her."

Show me. I don't believe that's true.

[JackRiddler]

44. Oh, my god! Yes! I repent!

Some doof at a McCain rally called Hillary a bitch! This shows me how wrong I was to ever criticize her! I never called her a bitch, but now it feels like I could have, so I'm just as bad! And by doubting her Glory, I helped create the atmosphere in which a doof somewhere could call her a bitch!

AAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!

[Raine]

46. No

cause I never called her a bitch or any other name except calling her a DLCer which she is. x(

[Perry Logan]

49. I think it's safe to say the anti-Hillary people don't waste much time on self-criticism.

[mod mom]

51. No, I am against HRC because I believe corporatism is ruining this country.

It's not the person I dislike (she did an admirable job raising her daughter and surviving her husband's embarassing infidelity), it's her position on free trade (which I believe is destroying the middle class AND is a national security issue); her enabling of the war monngers (think IWR and Kyl-Lieberman) and her parsing of words that influence my stance on HER CANDIDACY (not her personally).