Impeachment is STAGED

[lame54]

A Question of Impeachment
Beginning Sunday, November 18, Culture Project brings crucial and timely concerns to the fore once again with a new, unique series that gathers some of the most brilliant and visionary minds of our time to explore and debate the case for the impeachment of President Bush and Vice President Cheney.

A Question of Impeachment engages audiences in the investigation of crucial issues affecting all Americans, particularly as they prepare to elect a new leader, including expansion of executive powers, war, surveillance, torture and extraordinary rendition, and government response to disaster.

Culture Project brings together some of today's most important and knowledgeable minds: Michael Ratner of the Center for Constitutional Rights, Bruce Fein, former Assoc. Deputy Attorney General, former congresswoman Elizabeth Holtzman, attorneys Scott Horton and Elizabeth de la Vega, former CIA analyst Ray McGovern, writers Lewis Lapham and Naomi Wolf, and others will be joined by artists Jackson Browne, Sam Shepard, Phoebe Snow, Annabella Sciorra, Duncan Sheik and Steven Sater, Rinde Eckert, Allison Moorer, Lynn, Vanessa, and Colin Redgrave, Adam Rapp, Jonathan Demme, Bobby Cannavale, Staceyann Chin and many more.

A Question of Impeachment runs Sundays and Mondays at Culture Project.

Sundays focus on addressing the issues through film, theater, and other art forms ­ employing the role of art as a community galvanizer and rallying point.

Mondays tackle the five articles of impeachment directly, through depositions modeled on actual impeachment hearings; Culture Project brings renowned lawyers from both sides of the argument who will interview expert witnesses culled from the worlds of the military, public policy, international negotiation, and the media.

While the idea of impeachment has been tarnished in recent years by a reputation of reprisal-seeking, historically it has been ­ and was intended to be­ a vital tool to ensure the ultimate defense of civil liberties and the upholding of the Constitution of this country.

At a time when there appears to be no leadership in government to hold officials responsible for their actions, this diverse group of leaders is proceeding by way of a trial by theater ­ the most compelling means at our disposal to offer the concerned citizens of this country a public platform to hold their government to account.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=qGwvSwOP7Ow
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[defwheezer]

1. Never too late to impeach

"there appears to be no leadership in government to hold officials responsible for their actions"

Because the corporations own the so called leadership in congress- Dem and Rep. Capitalism run amoke!

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[datavg]

12. Jesus...

...you can't even spell amok.

We're sixty days from the Iowa caucuses. Do you understand what effect this would have on the impression people have of the Democratic party. Half the country already thinks liberalism is a mental illness. You want to work on the other half?

God Forbid that Kucinich is allowed to proceed with this and we end up with CNN and Fox News covering the convention and impeachment hearings at the same time next summer. That would be a disaster of cataclysmic proportions.

You should hear what the Washington Post had to say about Kucinich's resolution...rambling, unfocused. It was a real hatchet job.

Is anyone listening?

[tavalon]

13. Listening, yes.

Agreeing, no.

[datavg]

14. I Guess...

...that's fair enough.

[Amonester]

15. The other half already thinks neoconservatism is a mental illness

and that the war criminals who hijacked their government twice in the last seven years R imposing their own version of fascism with the help of their loyal enablers in the DLC.

Perhaps it's time to choose your half. Just sayin'

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[datavg]

16. I Have...

...chosen my half, and then I sit back and watch the other guys run the party off a cliff.

This is not new. It happened all through the fifties. It happened in 1968 and 1972.

It happened all during the eighties. Daddy Bush should never have been elected, but another academic named Susan Estrich didn't make the link between Michael Dukakis' Greek heritage and having him wear a helmet that made him look like a monkey. She doesn't have any street smarts. Most of those people don't. Kerry is the same way, where someone had him crawling around on his hands and knees in a clean room and the picture made it look like he had something coming out of his rear end.

But, do you know who had street smarts? Bill Clinton. That's why he served two terms. And, he's a southerner.

I'm gonna say it again:

Don't you want to win? Don't you get sick and tired of having your ass kicked, cycle after cycle?

Haven't you ever wondered why the Republican conventions look like middle to upper middle class professionals and the Democratic conventions all look like the bar scene from Star Wars? I remember the last conventions David Brinkley covered, and it was the first thing he mentioned.

Doesn't that bother you? Don't you even think about how we might fix that?

This is not the United States of Northern California! You're not going to get Gavin Newsom or Dennis Kucinich or anyone like them for president...EVER! The closest we've ever been to having a genuine progressive was probably Woodrow Wilson...and the country was a whole lot more left then than it is today. You can thank Corporate America for that, having relocated a large portion of the professional population to Right to Work states.

Do you know the real reason Roosevelt won in 1932? It was because the business people saw what was happening and wanted to preserve the free market economy. They knew that without intervention, the odds of people ending up in the streets with torches and pitchforks were very high. Roosevelt knew this, came in, declared the bank holiday and then started regulating the living shit out of our economy because that's what it took to save it. Many of those programs remain in place today and have been credited with keeping us from going into depression several times since.

If nothing else, they'd stop Kucinich in the south...or Wall Street would make sure something happened to him. You can't beat the banks and insurance companies. They own the country. Look what happened to Bill and Hillary when they tried to nationalize healthcare in 1993. Can you say Richard Mellon Scaife?

I read today where, as bad as things are, Republicans are still very popular in Ohio and are likely to determine who wins the White House in 2008. We have to have Ohio...and Ohio is red. That's why it elected a pro-life, pro-gun rights Democrat as governor.

And you want to nominate Kucinich and allow him to bring impeachment proceedings that could never be supported in the Senate? Do you understand what the media would do with this?

Do you need your meds adjusted?

[Amonester]

17. No. I don't need no meds. I'm doing fine, thank you.

Good luck.
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[datavg]

18. A Year From Now...

...I'm gonna sit back and shake my finger while the country gets ready for President Giuliani or President Romney, knowing that it didn't have to happen this way.

You just watch and see.

Or, if it's President Hillary Clinton, we'll be sitting down to scandal after scandal for another four to eight years. That's if Hillary is able to win a minimum of five states in the south. If she can't do that, we'll get another Republican. Guaranteed.

Why do you think Joe Lieberman, after being his party's Vice Presidential nominee in 2000, jumped ship and became an independent? It's because he thinks you're all nuts, too!

And he's a Yale grad! So are both of the Clintons. So are most of the Bushes.

What am I missing here?

[Amonester]

26. LIEberman did not jump ship! He was kicked out. (At long last...)

Is that what you're missing?

Frankly, I think he was a Republican infiltrator like many others (who haven't got kicked out yet, sadly...).

Yale grads like the (Herr) Bu$ches had enough money to buy their grades... So what?

What R these grades good for? Screwing the country, over 'n over?

BFEE: Know Your Bush Family Evil Empire http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_oet&address=358x3087 (same)

Compromise with this bunch of despicable war criminals? NEVER.

Edit: link fix.

[datavg]

30. Oh...

...so you "kicked" him out. And then he came back and threw it right in your face!

And it happens all the time!

Do you enjoy being the habitual loser?

[Amonester]

31. As long as I don't lose my honesty, I'm the habitual winner.

Have you got it yet?
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[datavg]

32. Yeah...

...I got it. I know why we lose.

If you're gonna lose all the time, why bother? I like to win. If we're going somewhere, I want to be the one who drives. If we're in a small plane, I want to get some time at the yoke.

I don't like to lose. I despise it.

[lame54]

34. again - if the Dems are the Repugs what do we win?

we will still have the patriot act
we will still have overuse of signing statements
we will have all of bush's precedents and no sitting president is going to relinquish that power
we need to hold bush accountable or it won't matter who takes the white house
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Hr8k8WHTzN0

[datavg]

36. The Reason...

...we have all of this stuff is because Democrats can't win elections in southern states!

That's why we went to war...because Democrats don't think winning in the South is important. That's why we have Alito and Roberts on the Court. That's why we have the Patriot Act. That's why we have a bankruptcy law that was written by Wall Street. That's why we have No Child Left Behind.

Do you still think winning isn't important?

WELL?

[lame54]

37. i think not dodging my question is important

you bring up the past - i'm talking the future

[lame54]

44. put it this way

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2257705

[Amonester]

35. My suggestion (if you're not doing it already):

No matter if you feel like you may lose all the time, get involved (again, if you're not doing it already). Stay honest with the fact that you know what the right policies are, that you will keep informing everybody around about them.

Spreading fears of losing will never convince anyone.

Remember, all tyrannic regimes fail, they always did, and they always will.

[datavg]

38. But...

...what you think is tyrannical, most people in the deep south do not.

That's what you still don't understand. I lived in Dallas for years. People there like the Bushes. They like the Republicans. They even like conservative Democrats like Martin Frost and Zell Miller. Texas is loaded with conservative Democrats. It was the most bipartisan place I've ever lived. Dubya was widely known for working across the aisle in Austin. He was famous for it.

This is my central message. Democrats, by pulling left, are increasingly marginalizing themselves on a national scale. Clinton didn't do this...he knew better.

The country is not left, and neither am I. Nor will I ever be.

You need to get on plane to Dallas some weekend. Rent a car, drive around, eat some good BBQ and talk to some regular folks. You'll get an earful, real quick like.

[Amonester]

41. I'd give them more than an earful back, In fact, I'd give them two.

And I would do it honestly, and peacefully, no matter what.

But I'm glad I don't have to go there. Honest. :hi:
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[datavg]

43. Okay...

...so you don't have to go there. Fair enough.

But they're gonna pick your leaders! You don't have the numbers and those people know it.

You keep telling me that winning isn't important. Sure, no problem.

So, every four years they're all gonna show up at the polls and hand you a shit sandwich.

Enjoy.

[Amonester]

29. No. Wait:, perhaps we'll be willing to compromise with them:

By commuting their long deserving 9,743 years in prison (and that's being "generous" just because Agent Mike lurks illegally here...) into life sentences without parole.

Yep. That's their only "chance" at any compromise from us.
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[datavg]

33. But...

...I thought you didn't care if you won or lost!

If you can't bring charges because the leadership doesn't want it, you'll just make fools of yourself and everyone else in the party. This is why the Washington Post said what it said the other day. Dennis Kucinich is nuts. He was always nuts. He was nuts thirty years ago, as mayor of Cleveland.

He's creating a real headache for Pelosi and Hoyer and if they don't sit on him, he's gonna cost them control of the House next year. Then it'll be another fourteen years or maybe more until they get it back!

Maybe Pelosi could get some of her father's friends from the old neighborhood to pay him a visit. If he doesn't settle down soon, I'm not so sure she won't exercise that option. This might be what it takes.

[Amonester]

39. I don't believe one word that's printed in the WP.

That is, if it not "news" that can be easily validated with other credible agencies (some of them overseas).

You?

Yeah, it's THAT bad...
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[lame54]

20. stop being strategic and do what's right

the only good reason not to impeach someone is that they haven't committed impeachable offenses
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Hr8k8WHTzN0

[datavg]

21. If You Stop...

...being strategic, you lose. And we lose all the time.

That's it. That's how American politics works. This isn't the 18th century where you could go down to the White House and talk to the president on a Sunday afternoon.

The mere fact that you even suggest strategy isn't important tells me the party is in a lot of trouble.

That's why we lose all the time. We're like a dumb little punk who brings a knife to a gunfight.

I watched the video. How old are you? Most of what passes for today's popular music sounds like someone sitting on the can relieving himself. This is another problem with the Democrats: demographics. You can't sell Democratic principles with this kind of stuff. Middle America just turns away.

[lame54]

22. if the Dems only work by strategy...

...and not principle they become THEM and WE lose

[datavg]

25. Why...

...the fuck do you think we get beat all the time?

I know why. Because so many Democrats are just like you: feeling instead of thinking.

That's why, most of the time, we get a steel rod shoved up our ass every four years...

...and the 'Pubs sit around and laugh about it.

This is about human behavior. It's the same way in Canada with the New Democrats. They're the party everyone laughs at most of the time. They're the party of hormonally unbalanced, militant, overweight schoolteachers with their eyes rolling around in their heads, shrieking at anyone who will listen.

Why the hell would you not want to fix that?

[lame54]

27. if the Dems are the Repugs what do we win?

if you really want to kick them hard - IMPEACH
http://youtube.com/watch?v=hGHp50ZqWpU

[datavg]

28. You CAN'T Impeach Him!

Why do you think I'm screaming about this?

Our leadership doesn't want it and won't support it.

That means you don't get it.

One more time: The Iowa caucuses are in less than sixty days and the nominees of both parties will be known by February 5th. After that, there won't any time for discussing anything but the election.

One more time: Do you have any idea of what the media would do to the chances of Democrats winning the White House in 2008?

We need to move on.

They say Obama did well last evening. He doesn't have a prayer of winning the election but maybe we'll nominate him because it makes us feel good. That seems to be the only reason we ever do anything, anyhow. We sure don't have a record of winning national elections.

[nadinbrzezinski]

24. To quote my poli sci professor back in collge

when the party refused to impach reagan over Iran Contra

Does not matter who the dems run... lack of backbone.. they just lost the WH.

Does not matter who the nominee is

That poli sci prof had it pegged back in 1988... and he may be right TODAY

So what will be your excuse then?

[lame54]

19. Do something? or do nothing

what's your solution?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=fCutvXccFlA

[nadinbrzezinski]

23. That the dems have a backbone

historically it has not been a negative...

Here is a book for you to read... The Genius of Impeachment

And yes, founding fathers are doing flips... going... what happened

And then one is reminding them...

Look I told them.. they had a Republic, as long as they wanted it

[SammyWinstonJack]

40. There is always a "reason" why we can't hold these criminals accountable, isn't there?

:eyes: I for one, am tired of "listening" too those "reasons". But you go for it. Knock yourself out!

[MadHound]

42. Let's see here,

The majority of Americans favor an impeachment inquiry<http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Zogby_Americans_support_consideration_of_impeachment_1104.html> That right there sounds like a positive vis-a-vis elections. Then there is the matter of pursuing justice, which most Americans favor. Let us not forget our image abroad, which at this moment is dismal. For a long while people of foreign nations were able to seperate their dislike of American government from their favorable opinion of American people. After the '04 election, that is no longer the case and the American public is being held accountable for the government we elected. Pursuing impeachment, restoring the rule of law in this country would go a long way to mitigating that foreign perception and once again elevating foreign opinion of the US. Then there is the little matter of the oaths our representatives swore, you know, the one to defend the Constitution? Don't you think that it's time they started fulfilling those oaths?

Yet once again, you simply want to cave to the 'Pugs, even though they're at an all time low in popularity, even though Bush is less well liked than Nixon, even though the American people cry for justice. No wonder Congressional approval ratings are worse than Bush's. Think about it.

[orpupilofnature57]

2. The Biggest safeguard against Tyranny ,and sold for Continuity.

[lonestarnot]

3. Impeachthem.com

[MuseRider]

4. Oooh

cool! Sheik and Sater, Spring Awakening! Lots of good people there. I like the video, thanks for posting this.

[flordehinojos]

5. will this be televised? If it is not, it should.

[Patchuli]

6. Kick and Rec'd!!!

SPREAD THE SANITY!!

Awesome video!

[steve2470]

8. k & r nt

[EFerrari]

9. Great idea. I hope they film it and put it on the net.

K&R

[bleever]

10. What an incredible collection of people.

Enthusiastically recommended.

[1monster]

11. Great idea! The theatre can be a great tool to get a message across.

Arthur Miller did a whole lot more than fictionalize the Salem Witch Trials with THE CRUCIBLE...