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geek_sabre (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-09-07 10:20 PM Original message |
Autopsy: Gotbaum Airport Death an accident |
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bluerum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-09-07 10:21 PM Response to Original message |
1. They got away with murder. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-09-07 10:32 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. It's not over. We haven't heard from the family's pathologist yet. |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 10:45 PM Response to Reply #5 |
64. now we have |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-11-07 07:37 AM Response to Reply #1 |
58. is that your expert opinion or just your unsubstantiated speculation? |
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bluerum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-11-07 11:14 AM Response to Reply #58 |
59. You can't see me but I am flipping you off,,, |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-09-07 10:25 PM Response to Original message |
2. Did they ignore her screams for help? |
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Bobbieo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-09-07 10:49 PM Response to Reply #2 |
8. What is the matter with you people????? Here we go again!!! |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-09-07 11:07 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. She was drunk and mentally out of control. But physically, she was in THEIR control. |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-09-07 11:12 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. Who "Screams for Help" While Being Strangled? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-09-07 11:18 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. She could have screamed for help just prior to strangling, |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-10-07 12:47 AM Response to Reply #15 |
18. Except the ME would be able to distinguish the difference... |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-10-07 05:18 AM Response to Reply #12 |
30. everything explained in detail here... |
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Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-09-07 11:08 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. Once in police custody, she became the police's RESPONSIBILTY. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-10-07 05:37 PM Response to Reply #10 |
47. Exactly - if they had checked on her this would not have happened |
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StarryNite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-10-07 01:57 AM Response to Reply #8 |
25. Yeah, everything that you said. |
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Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-10-07 04:36 AM Response to Reply #25 |
29. Wrong. "Bottom line" is: once the cuffs went on, she was in control: POLICE control. |
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StarryNite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-10-07 02:26 PM Response to Reply #29 |
35. It never should have gotten to that point. |
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Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-11-07 03:01 AM Response to Reply #35 |
55. Your point is entirely irrelevant, because it DID get to that point. |
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piesRsquare (960 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-10-07 05:24 AM Response to Reply #8 |
31. Excellent post |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-11-07 03:16 AM Response to Reply #8 |
56. I agree with you |
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brokensymmetry (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-09-07 10:25 PM Response to Original message |
3. Two words: Cover. Up. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-09-07 10:31 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. The idea that anyone could deliberately kill themselves in this matter |
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geek_sabre (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-09-07 10:34 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. it wasnt ruled a suicide...nt |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-09-07 11:13 PM Response to Reply #4 |
13. Who said it was deliberate? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-09-07 11:19 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Many people have suggested that it was suicide, and suicide is deliberate. n/t |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-10-07 12:59 AM Response to Reply #16 |
21. Yes - before he knew what had happened, her husband thought she might... |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-10-07 04:41 PM Response to Reply #16 |
41. Well, maybe that's because her husband said she was suicidal. |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-09-07 10:35 PM Response to Original message |
7. CNN reported today she missed her flight |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-09-07 11:11 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. There is a dispute about that. She arrived at the gate in what should have |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-10-07 06:04 PM Response to Reply #11 |
48. That flight was at 1:13, not at 1:30 as originally reported. |
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Eric J in MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-09-07 11:14 PM Response to Original message |
14. Was she double-jointed? How did she supposedly get the handcuffs behind her... |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-10-07 01:06 AM Response to Reply #14 |
22. Over her neck? |
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Eric J in MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-10-07 01:39 AM Response to Reply #22 |
24. Thanks. But you do you understand how she supposedly strangled herself after... |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-11-07 01:34 PM Response to Reply #24 |
61. Dunno.. I'd like to see a demo |
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soothsayer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-09-07 11:45 PM Response to Original message |
17. Wasn't there a witness who said she looked unconscious (or dead) after they knelt on her back? |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-10-07 12:58 AM Response to Reply #17 |
20. And it's only beginning. Beware Citizens! Our AG condones "Drowning Torture" |
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scarface2004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-10-07 12:47 AM Response to Original message |
19. yeah sure whatever!! |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-10-07 01:14 AM Response to Original message |
23. I hope the ME is correct and the evidence is clear to all who followup. |
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StarryNite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-10-07 02:01 AM Response to Reply #23 |
26. I can't understand why her husband |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-10-07 10:40 AM Response to Reply #26 |
34. Yes, she should have been escorted, but here is why I think she wasn't |
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Indi Guy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-10-07 02:02 AM Response to Original message |
27. I'm not one to rush to judgment.. |
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mvccd1000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-10-07 04:07 AM Response to Original message |
28. BAC of .24% AND prescription drugs in her system? |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-10-07 02:44 PM Response to Reply #28 |
36. Agreed. Why wasn't anyone in her family accompanying her? |
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StarryNite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-10-07 03:25 PM Response to Reply #28 |
37. Exactly! |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-10-07 04:38 PM Response to Reply #28 |
40. Wow. With that alcohol level, she was close to getting to a point |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-11-07 01:36 PM Response to Reply #40 |
62. Well... that's why she was going to rehab /nt |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-10-07 05:26 AM Response to Original message |
32. Suicide. Case closed. |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-10-07 08:16 AM Response to Original message |
33. The bottom line is that because of her crazed condition, |
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Mutineer (659 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-10-07 03:40 PM Response to Reply #33 |
38. They had an angry drunk on their hands |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-10-07 04:25 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. No, actually DU has at least one former cop who has dealt |
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StarryNite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-10-07 04:46 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. But had her husband |
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TAZller (118 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-10-07 05:32 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. Who is to say.... |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-10-07 05:33 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. The husband shares some guilt, to be sure, but the reason the woman |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-11-07 02:30 AM Response to Reply #44 |
51. She WAS watched properly |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-11-07 07:30 AM Response to Reply #51 |
57. I won't even bother to read this entire post. |
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StarryNite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-11-07 04:06 PM Response to Reply #57 |
63. For crying out loud, |
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Gormy Cuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-10-07 05:33 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. His wife was an adult and unless her spouse had a court-ordered guardianship, |
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StarryNite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-11-07 02:35 AM Response to Reply #45 |
52. The whole thing failed before |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-11-07 02:58 AM Response to Reply #45 |
54. That's not all he could do |
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Gormy Cuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-11-07 01:20 PM Response to Reply #54 |
60. Any report that she was other than the model passenger on her flight? |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-10-07 05:34 PM Response to Original message |
46. God, how sad |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-10-07 06:05 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. HTW were they supposed to let her on the plane if she was |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-10-07 06:08 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. Well, the airlines are supposed to just |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-11-07 02:35 AM Response to Reply #46 |
53. By law she wasn't allowed on the plane in her condition |
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