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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 01:17 PM
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Glenn Greenwald: What Happened to the Senate’s ‘60-Vote Requirement’?
What Happened to the Senate’s ‘60-Vote Requirement’?
by Glenn Greenwald

Every time Congressional Democrats failed this year to stop the Bush administration (i.e., every time they “tried”), the excuse they gave was that they “need 60 votes in the Senate” in order to get anything done. Each time Senate Republicans blocked Democratic legislation, the media helpfully explained not that Republicans were obstructing via filibuster, but rather that, in the Senate, there is a general “60-vote requirement” for everything.

How, then, can this be explained?

The Senate confirmed Michael B. Mukasey as attorney general Thursday night, approving him despite Democratic criticism that he had failed to take an unequivocal stance against the torture of terrorism detainees.

The 53-to-40 vote made Mr. Mukasey, a former federal judge, the third person to head the Justice Department during the tenure of President Bush . . . Thirty-nine Democrats and one independent opposed him.


Beyond that, four Senate Democrats running for President missed the vote, and all four had announced they oppose Mukasey’s confirmation. Thus, at least 44 Senators claimed to oppose Mukasey’s confirmation — more than enough to prevent it via filibuster. So why didn’t they filibuster, the way Senate Republicans have on virtually every measure this year which they wanted to defeat?
Numerous Senate Democrats delivered dramatic speeches from the floor as to why Mukasey’s confirmation would be so devastating to the country. The Washington Post said the “vote came after more than four hours of impassioned floor debate.”

“Torture should not be what America stands for . . . I do not vote to allow torture,” said Judiciary Committee Chairman Pat Leahy. Russ Feingold said: “we need an attorney general who will tell the president that he cannot ignore the laws passed by Congress. And on that fundamental qualification for this office Judge Mukasey falls short.” Feingold added: “If Judge Mukasey won’t say the simple truth — that this barbaric practice is torture — how can we count on him to stand up to the White House on other issues?”

Wow — it sounds as though there was really a lot at stake in this vote. So why would 44 Democratic Senators make a flamboyant showing of opposing confirmation without actually doing what they could to prevent it? Is it that a filibuster was not possible because a large number of these Democratic Senators were willing to symbolically oppose confirmation so they could say they did — by casting meaningless votes in opposition knowing that confirmation was guaranteed — but were unwilling to demonstrate the sincerity of their claimed beliefs by acting on them?

more...

http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/11/09/5112/
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RethugAssKicker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 01:21 PM
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1. This is a one party system
There is no opposition party. The Dems have proven themselves
over and over again to be corporate-owned spineless traitors !
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 01:39 PM
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9. could post that response to all kinds of threads!
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 01:24 PM
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2. There's no excuse. There's no opposition going on at all, beyond rhetoric. Simple as that.
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MiniMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 01:26 PM
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3. I asked last night if he had passed cloture, didn't get an answer
I still want to know how they didn't keep it from getting to the floor. Mukasey sure didn't have 60 "yes" votes.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 01:49 PM
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12. I don't know how they got around cloture, but I'll be looking for an answer. nt
Edited on Fri Nov-09-07 01:51 PM by babylonsister
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 01:28 PM
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4. K&R ... More lies on top of lies
Edited on Fri Nov-09-07 01:28 PM by jgraz
The part that really frosts me is not their collaboration, it's that they think we "regular folks" are SO FUCKING STUPID that we'll fall for it. :grr:
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 01:32 PM
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5. Glenn goes to bed thinking about how to use his vast constitutional knowledge to emasculate the Dems
The wee hours tick by and Glen Greenwald just cannot bear that world is not in perfect alignment as he sees it. "There just has to be some other angle on it". "They could have filibustered, yeah, that's it, they should have filibustered!"

And there is never a Friday morning at ten in the Senator's office in Glen's world. There is no constituent contact, no articles to study, no bills to read, no lobbyists to parry. There's just the fight.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 01:35 PM
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6. "Why would Democrats filibuster THEIR recommendation, to Bush, of Mukasey?"
Why would Democrats filibuster THEIR recommendation, to Bush, of Mukasey?
I'm really starting to worry about the loss of reality here. The echo chamber is overwhelming reason. Some considerations....

* Schumer RECOMMENDED Mukasey to Bush.
* Mukasey never said waterboarding was legal.
* Democrats filibustering the Democrat choice for nominee COULD look like Democrats have lost their collective mind and are not to be trusted with ANYTHING ever again.
* This is just like the Kucinich debate over impeaching Cheney, that REPUBLICANS voted on favor of, that had to be submarined by the Dem leadership, in order to avoid looking like complete fools, when the subject floundered for lack of evidence.
* You people apparently have no idea of a phyrric victory is.

But hey, keep up the good work.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=a8WWXHK2Dew4&refer=us
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrrhic_victory
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/capitol-briefing/2007/11/cheney_impeachment_resolution.html


-- shooter242
Permalink Friday, November 9, 2007 10:20 AM
http://letters.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2007/11/09/filibuster/view/index20.html
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 01:37 PM
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7. Maybe you should question Reid's reality...
Edited on Fri Nov-09-07 01:39 PM by babylonsister
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/senate-approves-mukasey-nomination-2007-11-09.html

snip//

Thursday’s vote came as bit of surprise. Earlier in the day, Reid said he was not sure whether there would be a filibuster on the nomination, which would have required 60 votes to break. The majority leader signaled that a vote could even be delayed until after the two-week Thanksgiving recess, which starts at the end of next week.


And then there's this:

truthout: "Filibuster Remains a Possibility for Mukasey"

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/110707D.shtml
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 01:41 PM
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10. I really doubt if this is going to lead to one more person being waterboarded...eom
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 01:48 PM
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11. You asked about a filibuster, so I shared some links.
I would argue that Mukasey should not have been confirmed because those who voted for him endorsed torture by his lack of a definitive response. Whether it ever happens again, or is happening now, I wonder if we'll ever even know.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 02:25 PM
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13. I was quoting a comment from Salon.com, where Greenwald is paid to write these articles
The response was from a Salon.com member named -- shooter242
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 01:38 PM
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8. I pointed that same fact out this morning,
and got quite a few flame hits for it. Courage without power is dangerous. Power without courage (which is what last night's vote demonstrated) is USELESS.

They had the power to stop it. They didn't have the courage to stop it.

But, hey, they had pretty words to say in their speeches. Political.cover.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 02:27 PM
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14. Whiich begs the question... who are they giving cover for?
the top 1%
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