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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 12:35 PM
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My generation, your generation, all generations screwed by CLASS WARFARE
Edited on Fri Nov-09-07 12:37 PM by havocmom
It's not about age or era. It's about the top 1% staying in power, through ALL generations!

The sad part is how few see this diversion/divide & conquer topic for what it is: Split people and you diminish their collective power. Heaven forbid we all hang together and notice it is the giant corporations doing us ALL in! The One Percenters sure don't want us making a coalition of all ages and addressing how the system fucks all of us while paying the top so handsomely.

They don't want us boomers to dwell on facts like we busted our asses on civil rights to have them disappear now. Ditto environmental protection and open space for heritage issues.

War? We asked: "what is it good for?" The One Percenters know it is good for their family trusts and they don't like us 'hippy commie peace-niks' trying to get that lesson taught yet again.

They don't want us to dwell on facts like we busted our asses in our working years to see corporations raid our pension funds via various means and steal our nest eggs through bad corporate management and raids that render our hard gained, but wee portfolios useless.

They don't want us to dwell on the fact that you, our children, have NO FUCKING FUTURE because of what they have done with the economy and turning America into a third world pauper nation.

They sure as hell don't want YOU noticing that the air is poison and all the water and seeds for food are under corporate control. Oh, and no jobs for you guys...

Yeah, keep fighting the generational war and don't get around to noticing who the real enemy of all of us is. They are in their board rooms and private jets laughing their asses off.

The top 1% is winning while we quibble.

Jenna Bush, sticking her tongue out at press and protesters while riding in the back of that limo said it all.

Not about age or era. ALL about class and maintenance of power.

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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 12:40 PM
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1. Many thanks for whoever gave me those two Rs
Happens so seldom when I post a thread.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 12:40 PM
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2. Brava, havocmom! They divide, conquer, and KILL while our common enemy laughs
Edited on Fri Nov-09-07 12:48 PM by blondeatlast
all the way to the bank.

:applause::applause::applause:

k&r
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JohnnyLib2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 12:42 PM
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3. Got my recommendation.

the quibbling thing--- massive waste.
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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 12:42 PM
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4. To the Greatest with you.
Preach it, sista! :headbang:
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 12:44 PM
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6. Why, thank you, Lilith!
Always good to get approval from a sister bearing a reference to Adam's FIRST wife ;)
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Fresh_Start Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 12:43 PM
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5. Not to mention, dying in unnecessary wars
to help them steal natural resources and protect their investments.

Iraq was never about US national security interests: it was always about the top 1% interests.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 12:46 PM
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7. Not off topic - I promise!
Edited on Fri Nov-09-07 12:49 PM by truedelphi
The power of Woodstock was in the fact that for the first time in the sixties
we baby boomers realized that we who opposed the war were a vast and huge group of people.

Before Woodstock, we thought it was just our fifteen or sixteen buddies and classmates.

After Woodstock, we KNEW that one third of the baby boomer population was a huge thing.

Woodstock empowered us - and it was covered by the media, if only initially for the novelty effect.

It is important that the Corporate State set up the Overwhelming Idea that the individual is marginalized and without any compatriots. This is doubly important because so much of the top 1% is involved with monetary gain through the military expenditures of the State. Gotta have those wars to keep the bank accounts lush with money!

So there has been a huge change in news coverage of events surrounding any type of counter culture or any protest of the Corporate State's policies.

Today we can have protests, as we did in January of 2003 wherein millions of people show up, and the Corporate Media is silent.

BTW, I did not go there, but it had a huge optimistic effect on me.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 01:07 PM
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14. Yep!
That little roll in the mud to music did show us the numbers.

The One Percenters DO NOT want that sort of knowledge to come again. Media Consolidation serves many purposes for the One Percenters.
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 12:46 PM
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8. This has been the driving force of society throughout recorded history
You're absolutely correct, and I'm pleased to kick and recommend this thread!
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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 12:49 PM
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9. What's so ironic is that if the other 99% of us fight back,
Bush and the Republican noise machine scream, "You can't do that! That's class warfare! It's not allowed! This is a classless society!" and similar BS. Meanwhile almost everything they do is class warfare - for their class. But if the other side fights back, they decry it as class warfare as if it isn't legal or something.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 12:58 PM
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11. How Luntzian it has all become--
Edited on Fri Nov-09-07 12:58 PM by blondeatlast
no one on our side has ever really said the phrase, but THEY have repeatedly, so now we are afraid to call it exactly what it is.

Fuck that. The filthy rich greedheads are due some serious karma and I will happily enlist in this particular war.

SAAA-lute!
:patriot:
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 01:20 PM
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19. Effective strategy. It's their notion of rhetoric about Iraq as well
We go there, occupy a country in a cruel and inhumane way.

The Iraqis, many of whom were enthused about the initial moments after Shock and Awe, start seeing the real picture in June 2003.

The re-building projects are up for bid - and the Iraqi contractors are not allowed to bid. Only Halliburton or Kellog Root and Brown can bid. And a bridge that would cost 30 to 60 thousand is cost estimated at costing 30 Million. To be paid out of the Iraqi people's oil revenues.

Our soldiers go to their homes at 4 in the morning and bust in doors and take away people, often jsut because some neighbor with a grudge reported on them.

They get the picture and start fighting back.

Then Bush says, "See these evil insurgents!! Evil, IED-exploding, American haters."
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Naturyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 07:50 PM
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52. Absolutely right, and there's a reason for that
The very existence of class dynamics in America must be kept secret so that those at the top can continue to exploit everyone else with impunity. If people catch on to class issues, the jig is up. They can never allow that, which is why we are continually propagandized and indoctrinated about America being a "classless society."

Under aristocracy, oligarchies work on the basis of people's understanding that they have no social mobility and must accept their lot in life. But in democracy, oligarchy works by disguising itself as equality. With enough brainwashing, people can be made to believe they live in a classless society even when Paris Hilton is in their face every day. Amazing but true.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 07:57 PM
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54. Keen observation, Naturyl. The oligarchs in an alleged democracy DO behave differently
They are posers, waving flags, wearing their lapel pins and rolling sleeves up for photo ops... All to hypnotize the masses into being cogs in their machines.

But they are just as controlling as anywhere else in the world. And so many of us really think we can be just like them, if we just work hard enough, pray hard enough, kiss ass often enough.

And they laugh at our folly
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Naturyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 08:19 PM
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57. Exactly.
And so many of us really think we can be just like them, if we just work hard enough, pray hard enough, kiss ass often enough.

Yes, our willingness to believe their promises makes it all possible. On that note, I have something you might like:

http://naturyl.humanists.net/work.html

Not everybody is ready for this, but I think you and some others on this thread are. It's kind of long, but I think you'll find it worth reading. Some people find it eye-opening.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 09:27 PM
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60. Thank you for the link
Yep, my cup of tea. Good thing to have in the bookmarks.
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 12:54 PM
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10. Nice, except the Boomers are the rich, and Gen X are the poor
You're right on one point: the children do have no fucking future, thanks to the selfish Boomer generation. Gen X is on track to be considerably poorer than the Boomers.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 01:00 PM
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13. I nominate this for a doozy (not a DUzy) for missing the point entirely.
Daytime casual attire is requested...
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Naturyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 07:53 PM
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53. I second that sarcastic thank you (n/t)
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 01:11 PM
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15. Thank you for playing on the side of the One Percenters
You just don't get it.

Not all boomers are rich. Damned few, actually. What some have, took a lifetime to acquire. Most of us have actually lost ground economically.

We didn't take the jobs overseas, my young friend. The One Percenters did that.

Keep throwing tantrums about what you perceive as the enemy, based on the info you have been given by the narrowly owned media. The real enemy thanks you for your cooperation in their subterfuge.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 01:24 PM
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24. In all fairness, our lives were a bit easier
Until the big swindle started in the 1980's.

But I have often looked at people twenty years younger and thought, my gawd, to get through school they need to work two jobs, and pay student loans, and share an apartment with six people.

In the early 1970's, education was cheaper, jobs were easier to find, and housing was cheap too!

The Gen X'ers were denied a lot more than we were - but as you point out - much of what went down occurred because of the one per centers!
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 01:39 PM
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30. SOME of our lives were easier
Some of us struggled in poverty and never got much above it.

Mom made $1.00 per hour to support two kids. We did the housework and cooking because she was dead tired when she got home. Still, she managed to put together food boxes herself, come holiday time, for the women she knew who had even less than she. And she made sure we FULLY understood that was part of our job as good neighbors & citizens: Taking care of those struggling even more.

Child support? Well, there were laws, but they weren't enforced real reliably. Shelters? Ah, no.

Toys, clothes, books, shoes... hand me downs for many even in the glorious 60s. The most fun was walking to the library and maybe a museum visit a couple times a year.

One TV, MAYBE. Radio? Usually.

Well, at least the weather was nice and we did have hope for our future, if we didn't get taken out via nukes. ;)

IT was easier getting started out in the 70s. But then, we settled for a lot less than many want to start from now.

I do have horrible fears about the future of today's young people. Coming toward the end of life, I don't fret much about me. When there is nothing left for me to lose, I become a very dangerous woman to the One Percenters. I consider myself to be future Shock Troop in the coming, desperate rumble between the classes. Have no problem with that prospect, actually. The first rows get mowed down, but we absorb a lot of the enemy's resources in the process. Some of the younger folks who follow will survive for our efforts.

There is great comfort in that. Some of the 99% will miss the point, their vision blurred by too much One Percent manufactured resentment. But I take comfort in knowing some of the younger folks will survive for the efforts many of us curmudgeons-in-waiting have made.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 02:03 PM
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35. Your mother sounds like a truly great lady. n/t
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 02:13 PM
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39. And she managed to take time for fun now and then
Stubborn woman, but I sure miss her. Lessons that last a lifetime. Still finding out applications for those lessons.

She was very spiritual but NEVER church going and never preachy. She walked the walk.
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diane in sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 11:26 PM
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62. Nonsense, the first third of the boomers lost about 10 years of income
relative to people 10 years older and younger. Most middle and lower-income Americans are dealing with financial insecurity now.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 09:44 AM
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68. WTF???
You've GOT to be kidding!

:rofl:

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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 12:14 PM
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71. Yeah, I just love living off the labor of the Xers
as I work 2 jobs, living in an overpriced 1bdrm apt.

Got any more nonsense to spew?
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 12:58 PM
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12. I guess we all have
different opinions about when all this started. Whether it be WWI, the Federal Reserve, WWII, the Kennedy Assassination...or...George Bush. History and reality are both unsettled in my mind. I've spent so much time trying to ascertain truth, but the only constant is life and death. Everything else is perception. I'm thinking my astounding ignorance regarding world history is the biggest stumbling block to my lack of understanding. Time for me to read on.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 01:12 PM
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16. It STARTED way before 1776
das a fact
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 01:57 PM
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33. I must a missed that day...
in school...but then again, I went to Catholic School. I'm well versed in guilt, shame, and martyrdom. I thank Al Gore everyday for the internets. I'm just starting to tackle my complete ignorance of world history. It really is astounding how little I know.
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Wiley50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 01:13 PM
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17. I'd like to see the names and addresses of the one percenters
listed all together on a website.

then we could fight back, without violence, of course
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 01:22 PM
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21. Call a stock broker or US politician for help with that data?
They probably have them all on rolodex ;)
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 01:24 PM
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22. "The chief executives of America's 500 biggest companies got a collective 38% pay raise..."
last year, to $7.5 billion. That's an average $15.2 million apiece. Exercised stock options again account for the main component of pay, 48%. The average stock gain was $7.3 million. More...


http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/05/03/highest-paid-ceos-lead-07ceo-cz_sd_0503ceo_land.html

Real median household income in the United States rose by 1.1 percent between 2004 and 2005, reaching $46,326, according to a report released today by the U.S. Census Bureau. Meanwhile, the nation’s official poverty rate remained statistically unchanged at 12.6 percent. The percentage of people without health insurance coverage rose from 15.6 percent to 15.9 percent (46.6 million people).


http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/releases/archives/income_wealth/007419.html
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 01:17 PM
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18. One Percenters. That speaks volumes and it's the only divide that matters.
Good work, hm.

Can't recommend again, but if I could, I would.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 01:21 PM
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20. Thank you, my dear friend.
Do you think getting 'One Percenters' into the common vernacular might help get the message across?
We could try and work it into as many discussions as possible. Heaven knows the One Percenters have their grubby, greedy fingers into just about every subject there is to discuss, ;)
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 01:25 PM
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25. Absolutely. I'll do my darndest. nt
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 01:24 PM
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23. I couldn't agree more, havocmom!
:yourock:

Thanks for the thread.:thumbsup:
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 01:33 PM
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26. Average American income rose 1.1% last year. CEO's? Up THIRTY-EIGHT PERCENT.
Edited on Fri Nov-09-07 01:35 PM by blondeatlast
The chief executives of America's 500 biggest companies got a collective 38% pay raise last year, to $7.5 billion. That's an average $15.2 million apiece. Exercised stock options again account for the main component of pay, 48%. The average stock gain was $7.3 million.

http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/05/03/highest-paid-ceos-lead-07ceo-cz_sd_0503ceo_land.html

Real median household income in the United States rose by 1.1 percent between 2004 and 2005, reaching $46,326, according to a report released today by the U.S. Census Bureau. Meanwhile, the nation’s official poverty rate remained statistically unchanged at 12.6 percent. The percentage of people without health insurance coverage rose from 15.6 percent to 15.9 percent (46.6 million people).

http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/releases/archives/income_wealth/007419.html

And keep in mind--the Census figures INCLUDE the CEO boosts. Think about that a while.

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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 02:16 PM
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42. THAT IS IT! Thanks you blond angel you!
It's about $$ not era/age/decade names.
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 01:33 PM
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27. Time is an enormous long river (Utah Phillips)
the whole idea of time packaging - into decades for instance;
doesn't happen that way

it is a journalistic convenience they use to trivialize and dismiss important events and important ideas
i defy that
time is an enormous long river
I'm standing in it just as you're standing in it
our elders and every thought, every struggle they went through and every poem and song they wrote
flow through it, to me, and beyond
just as everything we put in flows through it
if we take the time to reach down into the river;
we take from it what we need and make it part of our lives
as generations pass
it flows away and its utility continues
bridges

the past didn't go anywhere, did it?


********

People and especially media try to package time in neat little packages, like decades, for instance; the 60's; the 70's; and so on... it is the same with years, the "new year," and all the traditions that come with it; some good, some bad, some good & bad. I won't bash on new year's resolutions - if that is what people need, some kind of reminder that they can have a fresh start because the calendar changes, then so be it. But time doesn't come in neat packages, like centuries, decades, or even years. This is only based on perception. *Time is an enormous long river* that we are all standing in. I have never felt the need to package my life into individual years, or the dramaticism of it all - you'll never hear me say something like "2006 was a bad year" or "2006 was a good year." I went through experiences in 2006, as I have all my life, experiences that bridge over to the next year and the next; and this is how our lives change - change that is effected very little by what year a calendar tells us, and even, I believe, effected very little, most of which is negatively, by our perception of this as so - Our digital world perpetuates these false representations that time itself is in a way digital.

By no means am I suggesting aboloshing the calendar or the segmenting of time - it is obviously a utility that has served us, otherwise it wouldn't be here... rather I am challenging us all not to try and package our experiences; our ideas and perceptions; so much into years and decades and neat packages that try to make sense of it too easily; but to look at our lives as that river, constantly flowing, and like water, unsegmented and dynamic - which is what time is; what our lives, and our journeys are.

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KayLaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 01:36 PM
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28. Tinfoil hat on.
Edited on Fri Nov-09-07 01:36 PM by KayLaw
I think the government wants to stop writing the SS checks for one reason or another - probably to start more wars. Boomers have been paying SS and Medicare to provide security for their parents and grandparents but the really powerful people want to end that now.

I think all this talk about the "selfish Boomers who are sucking the country dry and are to blame for all the country's woes" is to tamp down any protest. You would think a person who has been paying insurance premiums for decades should collect benefits as were promised, especially since the person was forced to pay said premiums.

I think all this crap is convince the public that the Boomers had it coming because they did something so awful they deserve to be screwed out of their benefits. Blame the victim so the victim gets little support.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 01:41 PM
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31. I agree with that theory for motive
Take off the tinfoil, KayLaw. You are calling it spot on.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 02:12 PM
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37. Oh, and let us not forget what the stock sellers stand to gain if we force market participation
instead of paying into the Social Security system. More payola for the minions of the One Percenters.
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Naturyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 08:09 PM
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55. It makes a certain amount of sense.
Anything that acknowledges the rampant victim-blaming trend in American culture is more likely than not to have a grain of truth to it. Victim-blaming is the whole basis for oligarchy in a democratic system. If you can convince those affected by inequality that they deserve their lesser status, nobody will see "the man behind the curtain" because they are too busy looking at themselves. It works like a charm.
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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 01:39 PM
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29. Very well-said!! Another K&R...
You posted pretty much the same thing in my thread, but it definitely deserves a thread of its own.:applause:
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 01:43 PM
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32. Your thread (and the resultant brohaha) WAS indeed my inspiration
And, I did think my musings deserved their own thread. Thanks for your inspiration, MindPilot. I seldom start threads at all, but you woke my muse.
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 02:02 PM
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34. Great post
This is, indeed, what is at the core of the matter.

:applause:
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 02:06 PM
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36. They have fired the first shot
and you know what? It is high time we finish it

Problem is that this is just a new wedge issue and it is one of our own using it.

Well "our own" many of the Ds and all the Rs are part of the problem
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 02:12 PM
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38. Exactly right! BTW, * has a message for us all:
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 02:15 PM
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41. Where's that pic of Jenna sticking her tongue out? Shows that is is Class related, not age related
We are not human to the One Percenters who rule the globe. They REALLY don't care what we think.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 02:17 PM
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43. Below:
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 02:18 PM
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44. Thank you again, my friend!
:hug:
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Naturyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 08:14 PM
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56. Aaargh, that is truly infuriating.
Then again, anger is the response she wants, because people like her believe they are untouchable. They will only mock and laugh at angry responses even more. So why give her the satisfaction?

They won't be mocking forever. Karma can be a real bitch.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 02:14 PM
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40. They use so many methods to keep us divided from each other.
Sad that it's so effective... but here we are.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 02:26 PM
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45. Here's the illustrations to make my OP point,
With many thanks to DUers TheGoldenRule and blondeatlast for coming up with the visual aids, here is the problem:



It's not about the year you were born, but the class you may have been born to. Stop playing into their hands and buying the propaganda.

Bill Clinton was right: 'It's the economy, stupid.' It just goes a lot deeper than the immediate economy.

We have much more in common than real issues separating us. The gulf between us is small. It just looks huge when the One Percenters set up tempests in our teapot.
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 09:32 AM
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65. THAT pairing. Right there . . .
needs to be spread all over the internets.

Seriously, this is an extremely poignant pairing.

Prepare the tubes.

And may I just add to Jenna: Karma's a bitch, hon.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 03:08 PM
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46. I agree. I would add that race and gender have been successfully used in the same way. n/t
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 04:58 PM
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49. Indeed. Wedge issues are diversions and cattle dogs
They just move us where they want us to go and keep us heading to the market of their choice
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 03:22 PM
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47. That top 1% also usually lives A LONG time, spanning multiple "generations"
and they have the money to assure that their wealth and influence never ebbs..

Look at all the 70 & 80 year old super-rich people who are still "working".. These folks reamin in control until the grim reaper drags them away , kicking and screaming.. These people are NOT "team players".. They KEEP what they have and only give a pittance back (usually with great fanfare and pats on the back in abundance)

It's little wonder why "class warfare" never goes away..
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 03:33 PM
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48. DING, DING, DING
Problem is that many folks cannot see the class warfare in front of them and have become useful idiots to the one percenters
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zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 06:44 PM
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50. A truth if there ever was one.
Thank you. Wise, wise words.
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Naturyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 07:44 PM
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51. K&R for truth
Good post. If people would realize that CLASS is the real issue and has always been the real issue, we'd make a lot more progress a lot faster. Cui bono? Follow the money. It's all about class.

It's the inequality, stupid.
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Sisaruus Donating Member (703 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 08:27 PM
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58. Check out Class Action
www.classism.org
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 09:25 PM
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59. Thanks for the link. Putting that one on a tab for home group on my browser
Very interesting site. Looking forward to keeping on it for a spell to really check it out.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 09:28 PM
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61. and all the candidates except Kucinich
represent the interests of the oligarchy


some are "softer" about it than others, but that's what it boils down to
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 09:02 AM
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63. 99% pure...
:kick:
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 09:41 AM
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66. LOL Obviously, you don't know me as well as I thought.
Well, maybe better, actually. Thanks friend.

:kick: to get the term 'One Percenters' more play. We NEED to get that term used everywhere there are discussions about economy and political power.
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a kennedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 09:17 AM
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64. I try to tell people this......and they give that look of WTF???
They just don't get it......I'm going to copy this and pass it out if you don't mind, and thanks. :patriot:
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 09:42 AM
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67. Don't mind at all. You at least stated your intent (and I approve)
There have been a few times when I heard my words coming from TC pundits lips the day after I post them. This is one time I am hoping to hear them preach my sermon.

Thank you!
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 09:45 AM
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69. Very true and it really hurts when it's
our own that are doing it. :(

:kick: & Recommended
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texanshatingbush Donating Member (435 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 11:25 AM
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70. This is a realization which seems to be reaching critical mass....
Just this week, I began reading a great Bill Moyers book (MOYERS ON AMERICA--A JOURNALIST AND HIS TIMES). His Foreword includes this (emphasis is mine):

"Like democracy, civilization has to be willed and practiced. Otherwise, society is a war of all against all, powered by individual cunning in the pursuit of wealth and power. Look around, if you would, to see what I mean. The web of cooperation is under siege, and in these pages I try to identify the most worrisome of the indicators: economic and political elites have created islands of gilded affluence surrounded by moats of inequality wider than any since 1929; a reactionary coalition has determined to dismantle the social safety net by bankrupting the federal treasury; I believe this unraveling of the social fabric through the growing corruption of politics by money and ideology threatens the very soul of our democracy." (p. xii)

So, let's continue to nourish that "critical mass" development. If we don't, our legacy to future generations will be the failure of that 18th century ideal of the nobility of Man, and, ultimately, a smoking and dusty cinder of planet, unable to sustain life.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 02:11 PM
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75. Kick for the brilliant Bill Moyers
Thanks for posting the quotes. Nail on the head.
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Ishoutandscream2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 12:28 PM
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72. A simple, yet brilliant, post
Needs to be said over and over again. Thank you!
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 12:53 PM
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73. Too true

Yet people get horribly confused and focus upon this or that "issue", confusing the tree for the forest. The drug war is about class. Race issues are about class. The war is about class. Environmental destruction is about class. And so forth.

The first question is "who profits?".

Until we focus upon the true enemy our masters will laugh up their sleeves as we scurry about willy-nilly dissipating our energy instead of directing it upon them.
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 01:04 PM
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74. Corporations treated the US as a Cash Cow to be milked and harvested.
Our natural resources have been mined or exploited, and the soils in our bread basket called the Midwest are nutrient depleted and require significant intensive farming methods e.g.; pesticides and petrol chemical fertilizers to maintain yields, which also cause the highest levels of cancer on the planet. Now they are looking for cheaper and more plentiful natural resources elsewhere to exploit, cheaper labor and younger developing consumer markets outside the US that present more attractive investment opportunities. Industry would prefer not to make any further investments into the US, thus capital flight is inevitable in spite of tax policies to keep them here. The good times have come to an end, and no one dares tell you this, because it might cause a panic in the market place. Americans need to face up to the fact that their $20k, $100k and $500k 401K stock investment portfolios are not going to do any thing for the economy, while big companies like Microsoft are taking their profits to invest in China, India, Brazil and Eastern Europe. Why provide a tax incentive via the capital gains tax rate, at the expense or burden of the American Taxpayer when the investments aren’t being made into the US economy to generate jobs for Americans?
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 02:55 PM
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76. The hereditary nobility have always been about maintaining power.
That's what history is.
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WGS Donating Member (116 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 03:46 PM
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77. Funny isn' it?
Myself and many like me have managed to not only survive but to flourish. I worked hard and got an education, I worked my way up into a good paying position. I chose not to be a victim.....just sayin'
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 03:48 PM
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78. You need to read what she's actually saying. I'm in very good shape fiscally--
but look at my cites above regarding CEO pay.

Just sayin'.

Enjoy your stay...
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WGS Donating Member (116 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 04:23 PM
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79. What CEO's
or anyone else makes is not the issue, or at least it shouldn't be.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 01:54 AM
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80. I suppose the retirees and soon to retire who had $$ in ENRON stock
Edited on Sun Nov-11-07 02:02 AM by havocmom
or any number of other stocks that went bust due to the criminal behavior of top corporate management chose to be victims?

And all the 50-somethings who worked hard all their adult years, loyal to auto manufacturers, railroads and such, suddenly finding that corporations thank them by shutting jobs down just before employees are able to retire... yeah, they all chose to be victims?

Workers in all sorts of industries have found jobs closed down. They didn't choose that. They didn't do anything wrong.

I know a relatively young man who had the good fortune to be born into a family with money. He spent a LOT of time drugged out of his mind, but he got to run a company, several, actually. He had no skills, hell, all he could do was play solitaire on the company computer in his big office until my worker bee daughter taught him how to do anything beyond that... He had no people skills. He just had money and friends of family who also had money.

He played big shot, and it worked... for a while. Then reality hit. One of the companies (the cash cow actually, so a lot of other companies he had fingers in will fall, like dominoes soon) failed, DUE TO VERY BAD DECISIONS FROM THE EXECUTIVE SUITE. Now, 10,000 workers are shit outta luck. They didn't do anything wrong. They were loyal, responsible people. They lived within their means, unlike the bosses. They were honest. They came to work one morning to find there was no place to work anymore, and they didn't have a clue for weeks whether they would even be paid for the month that they had just worked.

The press asked this coke snorting party boy who had what he had due to birth and networking within the top One Percenters what would happen to all those workers. His answer? 'Their job was to make me wealthy, and now that's done'

Sad thing is, this punk shit is not uncommon among the One Percenters. Hell, look to the White House and you can see he is a rather common scion of his class. A very pointless, valueless excuse for a human being.

Some people make bad personal decisions and do make themselves victims. The whole working class of this nation DOES NOT fall into that category. FACT: The One Percenters use, abuse, victimize for fun and profit.

The workers? Some were boomers, some much younger. FACT: It was not any sort of generational hit. It was NOT something 10,000 workers in that one company alone all did to simultaneously CHOOSE to be victims. Multiply that by all the companies with CEOs and top officers who just don't give a fuck about anyone but themselves, using people to make themselves wealthy then throwing them out, often without the pay checks, retirement checks THEY FUCKING EARNED.

It was class warfare.

My god, how happy we are for you, that you worked hard and got an education, worked your way up to a good paying position. LOTS of people have done the same, and they have been thrown out like yesterday's coffee grounds.

Hope your $$ and your luck holds. You will land hard if you are one of the many who suddenly finds that unless you are a One Percenter, there is no economic security, and damned little justice.

edit - typo
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