"THE time has come for the baby boomers to get over themselves." ~ Senator Barack Obama

[Breeze54]

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/21/weekinreview/21broder.html">Shushing the Baby Boomers

By JOHN M. BRODER
Published: January 21, 2007

THE time has come, Senator Barack Obama says, for the baby boomers to get over themselves.

In taking the first steps toward a presidential candidacy last week, Mr. Obama, who was born in 1961 and considers himself a member of the post-boomer generation, said Americans hungered for “a different kind of politics,” one that moved beyond the tired ideological battles of the 1960s.

To make his point, Mr. Obama, a Democrat from Illinois in his first term in the Senate, announced the formation of his presidential exploratory committee in a video streamed on his Web site. He is tieless and relaxed and oh so cool.

Mr. Obama calculates that Americans of all ages are sick of the feuding boomers and ready to turn to the generation that came of age after Vietnam, after the campus culture wars between freaks and straights, and after young people had given up on what überboomer Hillary Rodham Clinton (who made her own announcement on the Web yesterday) called in a 1969 commencement address a search for “a more immediate, ecstatic and penetrating mode of living.”

In his second book, “The Audacity of Hope,” Mr. Obama is critical of the style and the politics of the 60s, when the psyches of most of his potential rivals for the White House were formed. He writes that the politics of that era were highly personal, burrowing into every interaction between youth and authority and among peers. The battles moved to Washington in the 1990s and endure today, he says.

“In the back and forth between Clinton and Gingrich, and in the elections of 2000 and 2004,” he writes, “I sometimes felt as if I were watching the psychodrama of the baby boom generation — a tale rooted in old grudges and revenge plots hatched on a handful of college campuses long ago — played out on the national stage.”

More......

:eyes:

[TwilightGardener]

1. True that.

[Breeze54]

2. Same shit, kid...different war!

Welcome to the real world.

[rwheeler31]

3. This is sad.

[yardwork]

4. He doesn't sound like a uniter.

Obama seems to be reaching for the right-wing vote. First gay people, now an entire generation.

Who will Obama dis next?

[DURHAM D]

21. I assume you caught the fact this article is 10 months old.

This (and other statements back then) is exactly why I knew he could not be my candidate.

It was no surprise to me when he tossed us under the bus - it matched up with his world view.

[yardwork]

162. Yeah, I noticed it at the time as well. I hoped it was just a blip.

It's why so many of us were so mad about the McChickenhead thing.

Obama seems to be positioning himself as Republican Lite.

[The Backlash Cometh]

86. sounds like he's just going for the youth vote.

We'll call it Barak's Logan Run Speech. Anyone over 30 needs to die. That's his plan?

[WinkyDink]

143. He could go back to calling himself "Barry".

[panzerfaust]

198. Attacking the electorate in general

and a particular demographic in particular as a campaign strategy?

Now that does show novel thinking!

My equally thoughtful response: FUAH

[kelligesq]

5. Dumb, dumb, dumb. He should have checked who is the largest voting group b4

opening his mouth.

[Breeze54]

12. Totally agree with that!

"Open mouth, insert foot."

It's really to bad...and I think he said it as a ploy.

[The Backlash Cometh]

87. Barak's Logan Run speech.

[King Coal]

180. No. It is "Open Mouth, Change Feet" with him.

[jbnow]

68. Boomers are born between 1946 and 1964

so he should have checked on that. He's part of it whatever he considers himself.

They have renamed the part of the generation born 1954-1965 Generation Jones. They should be another generation. He and I are both part of that.
It's nothing to be proud of. We walked through the doors the older boomers opened. Too young for Woodstock but we didn't face the draft, have to protest a war...or fight for our rights.
And we won the 2004 election for bush. In all 15 battleground states bush carried a majority of the Generation Jones vote, doing 5% to 10% better among us than he did statewide in every one of them.
The boomers (minus us) and Gen-X voted Kerry. Not us.

So really something to be proud of. I think we do better lumped in with the boomers. Someone ought to tell him.

[Breeze54]

75. What? -- Yes we did face the Vietnam draft!

I watched many of my friends get drafted and march off to Vietnam!! :(

"1954-1965 Generation Jones"

I know many who did NOT vote for the asshat in 2000 or 2004, including me!! :grr:

"Too young for Woodstock..." But not to young for Watkins Glen! :P

Summer Jam at Watkins Glen - 1973 Rock Festival

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summer_Jam_at_Watkins_Glen

The Summer Jam at Watkins Glen was a 1973 rock festival which once received the Guinness Book of World Records entry for "Largest audience at a pop festival." An estimated 600,000 rock fans came to the Watkins Glen Grand Prix Raceway outside of Watkins Glen, New York on July 28, 1973, to see The Allman Brothers Band, The Band, and the Grateful Dead perform. It was the largest musical concert up to that time, with an audience of over 600,000....

[jbnow]

173. Not quite the same

They drafted men turning 20 and the draft ended in 73. Those born in 54 would surely have older friends facing the draft but they themselves would not.

As far as a 73 concert most of the Jones generation was still too young to be able to go without there parents, but yes I am sure most of us went to festivals and concerts.
Just saying Woodstock=baby boomers in a lot of minds and Jones' weren't there unless their parents took them.
Watkins Glen and others are surely a fond memory for those that went but doesn't mean the same thing...doesn't invoke the reaction in America at large.

Obviously most older boomers weren't at Woodstock either.

And obviously those of us here didn't vote for bush or likely any republicans.

I'm not sure what the quibble is about here. I'm in that generation too...I'm not saying we are all bad!

[Breeze54]

196. Your dates and ages are wrong.

I was born in 1954 and I was 18 in 1972!!

Drafted to Vietnam:

1972 -- 49,514

1973 -- 646

The draft ended on July 1, 1973

Induction Statistics

http://www.landscaper.net/draft70-72.htm#Induction%20Statistics

Number of men who entered military service through the Selective
Service System during major U.S. 20th century conflicts

VIETNAM

Aug 1964 - Feb 1973 --- 1,766,910

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RESULTS FROM LOTTERY FOR MEN FACING THE DRAFT IN 1973

http://www.sss.gov/lotter4.htm

The lottery drawing held February 2, 1972, determined the order in which
men born in 1953 were called to report for induction into the military.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription_in_the_United_States

The United States discontinued the draft in 1973, moving to an all-volunteer military force,
thus there is currently no mandatory conscription.

Today, the Selective Service System remains in place as a contingency; young men between
the ages of 18 and 25 are required to register so that a draft can be more readily resumed.

18 years old -- NOT 20!!

End of conscription

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription_in_the_United_States

In 1971, Senator Mike Gravel embarked on a one-man filibuster against legislation renewing the military draft. Using various parliamentary maneuvers, Gravel was able to block the bill for five months before President Richard Nixon and Senate Republicans agreed to allow the draft to expire in 1973. Subsequently conscription ended in 1973 amid much fanfare and extensive media coverage. Following Gravel's filibuster of the draft renewal legislation, a formal recommendation to end conscription was put forward by the Gates Commission appointed by President Nixon.

Post-1980 draft registration

In 1980, Congress re-instated the requirement that young men register with the Selective Service System. At that time it was required that all males, born on or after January 1, 1960 register with the Selective Service System. Currently, male U.S. citizens and many male aliens living in the U.S., if age 18 through 25, are required to register with the Selective Service System on their 18th birthday. The Selective Service System describes its mission as "...to serve the emergency manpower needs of the Military by conscripting untrained manpower, or personnel with professional health care skills, if directed by Congress and the President in a national crisis." 3

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"As far as a 73 concert most of the Jones generation was still too young"

Are you kidding me?? :rofl: Not to young at all!

Many at that concert were 15, 16, 17, 18, 19 , 20 etc!!

I was there and I saw who was there and there were many, many teens and college age people.

[LeftHander]

166. Big difference between 1954-58 boomers and 1961-64

Generation Jones....were really old school, they did not want to make waves. They went with the status quo. And that is why they elected who they did. For many the older boomers had ridiculed us and teased us into ignoring them. Even the ones who carried on the progressive tourch were left behind as the older boomers gave up the beads and bell bottoms for Armani, Lexus and McMansion...

There were no hippies any more when I hit High School. There was no war. We all got along.

Freaks, geeks, gear heads, stoners, jocks...we all hung in the same circles.

Nixon resigned, Ford was on his way out. And Jimmy Carter was president. Punk music was emerging, Disco was huge and southern rock was peaking. TV Cable was expanding. And Personal Computing was just around the corner.

That is a far cry from 1968...to 1972....the U.S. was vastly different and was deeply wounded by Vietnam, Nixon and the assassinations of MLK and RFK...

The Hippies and squares took the fight off the streets and into the political arena and set the stage for the the division we suffer today.

To the older boomers, your little brother's and sister's are waking up now. We know it is our time now. That is why Obama has such a powerful draw. We ARE the biggest single block of Boomers...the later boomers are now in our mid and late forties. We are going to take over.

[provis99]

181. wrong. Boomers are born between 1941 and 1960

1960 to 1980 is Generation X. Obama is Generation X (barely). He captures the essence of my feelings on the self-important Boomer crowd.

[jbnow]

184. Really you are making that up

Colbert would appreciate it, it must just "feel" true to you?

Baby Boom generation is named that because of the post war baby boom. War wasn't over in 41.

Here is a google search page...just read the years noted on the very page, don't even have to click the links.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Baby+Boom+generation++born+between&btnG=Search

The only variation is some say it starts in 1945 and not 1946.

Demographers have Gen X ending in 1976. There was a Canadian novelist who used it to describe late baby boomers...like 1958-1964...who felt out of place, not connected to their generation.

But except in that novel Obama and I are not Gen X

[Skittles]

204. W R O N G

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baby_boomer

And if you have "feelings" about a 19, 20-year generation of folk I suggest to you you are buying into a LOT of stereotypes

[eShirl]

6. it's the repubs that can't let go of attacking "the hippies"

painting the dems as radicals with an "if it feels good, do it" philosophy

[Lorien]

54. "If it feels good, do it"

isn't that the title of every Bush Federal budget plan?

[TomInTib]

7. Well, fuckstick, where do you think the money's gonna come from?

Because we're still pissed off, and we will not give in.

HotRod is going to talk himself right out of the Nomination.

[msongs]

8. yeah wimmen get back in the kitchen, blacks to the back of the bus, gays back in the closet

like it was before the 60's and all those evil politics of "tired ideological battles of the 1960s."

Msongs

[Duppers]

78. YES, WHO DOES HE THINK FOUGHT FOR **HIS** CIVIL RIGHTS????

How dare him alienate us!

You younger kids here should go read some of the advances in the '60's that **WE** Boomers fought and demonstrated for.

You ingrates!

(And, btw, I'm not a HRC supporter.)

[cgrindley]

98. Boomers had jack shit to do with civil rights

that was your parents' generation, numnuts.

[WinkyDink]

140. I'm 58. Rev. Jesse Jackson is 66. HARDLY my parents' generation.

I WILL agree that the great leaders such as Rev. MLK, Jr. and Malcolm X were. But not all their followers, even if not technically "Baby Boomers":

Julian Bond~~~Born 1940.
H. Rap Brown~~~Born 1943.
Stokely Carmichael~~~Born 1941.
Angela Davis~~~Born 1944.
Huey Newton~~~Born 1942.
Fred Hamton~~~Born 1948.

Andrew Goodman~~~Born 1943.
James Chaney~~~Born 1943.
Michael Schwerner~~~Born 1939.

1968 Mexico City Olympic athletes:
Tommie Smith~~~Born 1944.
John Carlos~~~Born 1945.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/USAcivilrights.htm

[cgrindley]

160. In that list, only Fred Hamton was a boomer the rest are "silent generation"

1946-57 for the original boom, 58-64 for the shadow boom. After that, it's Generation X from 1965 and our parents are not boomers but the silent generation (1925-45).

John Carlos was born in 1945, but before the war in the pacific ended, so he's not a boomer either. The only name on your list that qualifies as a boomer is Fred Hamton.

[WinkyDink]

230. Still not my parents' ages.

[OzarkDem]

157. Do some math

my parents didn't fight for civil rights, I did.

I also demonstrated to end the Vietnam War, to pass the Equal Rights Amendment and to allow 18 year olds to vote in America.

I didn't get teargassed or march on Washington, but I wrote a lot of articles and editorials in the school newspaper and demonstrated on campus.

I even recall the days of campaigning for McGovern and later Jimmy Carter. Recall Carter was the one who put Affirmative Action policies in place. You know, the ones that demanded universities have policies to accept African Americans, women and other minorities?

I wrote letters and made phone calls to help Carter when he enforced regulations that prevented corporations from winning government contracts unless they enacted Affirmative Action policies.

Carter's cracking down on corporations helped me get my job as the first woman in management in the 150 year history of my company. It opened the door for women and African Americans to be hired into management training programs out of college. I mentored a lot of those young AA men and women who came into a hostile work environment, defended and guided them at risk of my own career.

I did plenty to help and it disappoints me a great deal to think some of those we all worked so hard to help advance suddenly seem to suffer from memory loss. Forget how it happened and you will surely lose it.

[cgrindley]

161. You realize that the ERA did not pass, right?

you also realize that Carter and McGovern are not baby boomers?

you realize that the 26th amendment was Ike's idea and not only was Ike born in the 19th century, but he was a motherfucking Republican.

why does your post make so little sense?

[OzarkDem]

176. What I realize

is that as a baby boomer, I and others of my generation worked with the leaders of my country (regardless of their age) to help make positive change in this country. That's the power of grassroots action - baby boomers decided to change things in our country. We developed an agenda and took it to Congress and the White House and pressured them to make changes.

One does not have to serve in elected office to make a positive change in the world. Without the pressure brought to bear by my generation on the country's leaders, none of these improvements would have happened.

As for the Equal Rights Amendment - it didn't pass, but the Feminist Movement and the pressure brought to bear by the ERA movement were key to pressuring Congress and the WH to enact Affirmative Action legislation. Those leaders knew if they didn't act to provide equal access to education, jobs and economic power, they wouldn't get the votes of the young women and African American voters. And don't be so quick to write off the ERA. Only 3 states need to ratify it before it becomes effective.

These advances led to more women and minorities elected to public office. Our generation has only recently gained access to leadership roles in this country, and with the exception of the Bush administration, have done a good job. Seems the biggest problem we have is our inability to persuade those of your generation and younger to stop voting GOP'ers into office.

[tblue37]

189. Why am I reminded of all those young women who think

"feminist" is a dirty word and refuse to call themselves feminists--as if the men in charge would ever have let them do anything if the feminsits had not fought them tooth and nail every step of the way.

[yardwork]

175. Nice mouth you got there. Show some respect for your elders.

You weren't around.

[cgrindley]

187. The act of aging means nothing (nt)

[panzerfaust]

201. BS

Means yah ain't dead yet.

Choice, or Chance? {remember that one?}

Bit 'O Both I think.

[jbnow]

178. You're tight that it wasn't boomers that

really got it started though it wasn't their parents either (and your comment would be better without the numnuts)

It got a big shake up from the brave college kids in 1960 that sat at the all white lunch counter and refused to leave. http://orig.jacksonsun.com/civilrights/sec3_sitins.shtml
They were arrested, mistreated...it took guts to make that move and it spread through the south.

In 1960 the oldest baby boomers were starting high school, the youngest weren't born.
The civil rights movement stayed strong through much of the 60's...I'm sure some older boomers joined in.

But it was those a bit older than boomers who really got thigs going, who did the most. They deserve their own name.

[Cha]

211. Quit calling other posters,

names.

[Clanfear]

9. It's about time somebody said it.

Go Obama!

[Skittles]

13. some of us don't like to be painted with such a broad brush

Obama, who apparently does not even realize HE IS A BOOMER, is making an ass of himself

[SeattleGirl]

31. Not to mention the fact that painting ANY group with a broad brush

and using terms like "they" and "them" to refer to an entire group of people is offensive.

I say shame on him.

I still have MY baton, and I'm not willing to let go of it.

Get your own fucking baton, Barack.

Either that, or stop generalizing groups of people. It's quite unseemly, and not becoming of someone who wants to be President.

[KitchenWitch]

67. Funny how he was born 3 years before me and does not consider himself a Boomer

And I, born 3 years later DO consider myself a Boomer (the baby boom ended in 1964).

YEESH

[SeattleGirl]

77. I know. I don't get it.

I know he was taking a swipe at Hil (today, anyway, when he said that "They only know how to confront, not compromise"), but sheesh!

[cgrindley]

108. You know how Bill was the first black president?

same thing.

[Old and In the Way]

10. Can't we all just get along?

We ain't the ones starting wars, propping up RW dictators, pushing a Big Oil foreign policy, denying global warming, and accusing our fellow Americans of treason. Sounds like Obama wants us to shut up and get along with the anti-socialists. Sorry Obama...there will never be bi-partianship in the arena of politics.

[Skittles]

11. he IS a Boomer

and talk like that makes him sound stupid

[Bluebear]

46. No, it's a miracle, he is an "ex-boomer"

:silly:

[DURHAM D]

49. Thanks for the chuckle.

Perfect - just too perfect. :hippie:

[yardwork]

164. LOL! He prayed the boomer away! Praise Jesus.

[Cha]

213. I'm not even a Boomer and I

take offense..I'm a War Baby.

[Cha]

212. Oh wow..I just got it...

it took my brain a moment..:silly:

[Odin2005]

52. He considers himself a Gen-Xer. The demographers can go pound sand.

[Texas_Kat]

57. Also referred to as the "ME" generation

[OzarkDem]

64. and the generation of Reagan and Bush I

Yes, they've accomplished a lot. :sarcasm:

[Odin2005]

122. Which generation started the Netroots?

It definitely wasn't Boomers. Kos is a Gen-Xer.

Oh, and the younger Boomers lean on average just as much towards the Republicans as the older Gen-Xers. Younger Xers lean Democratic.

[Texas_Kat]

167. Honey, the 'netroots' started in about 1985

Some of us old fogies were using the internet for communicating long before Daily Kos and myDD (which predated it) came along.

.... and no, Kos didn't invent the internet either.

[WildEyedLiberal]

231. The liberal web movement was irrelevant until Daily Kos, whether you want to admit it or not

And I fucking can't stand Markos so the fact that I'm giving him props here is pretty significant.

The internet was the province of the libertarian/right-wing geek crowd until Daily Kos and DU and similar sites - all started after the year 2000 - came along and created a new left-wing web movement. "Movement" implying more than just a handful of people on usenet forums talking about liberal politics. Sorry, boomers can't take credit for every good thing that happens in society.

[lpbk2713]

233. And in spite of some of the threads I have seen lately ...

I believe the WWW has brought Libs and Dems closer together. There will always be a healthy differing viewpoint among us but I honestly believe that is what makes us stronger. Just look what happens when someone goes against the mainstream at any of the RW message boards. They are banned without hesitation.

DU may have a few warts and pimples now and then but I would much rather have it available to me than not.

[Odin2005]

117. It is the Boomers that are the Me Generation.

Unfortunately it's par for the course for Boomers to spew projection-laden abuse toward Generation X.

[Texas_Kat]

171. Nope, sorry... the term "ME Generation" was coined long ago (in the 80s)

Google it.

The term Generation X came from a book written in 1991 by Douglas Coupland by the same name. It is a fictional book about three strangers who decide to distance themselves from society to get a better sense of who they are. He describes the characters as "underemployed, overeducated, intensely private and unpredictable."

Coupland took his book's title from another book "Class," by Paul Fussell. Fussell used "X" to describe a group of people who want to pull away from class, status and money in society. Because the characters in Coupland's book fit that description, he decided on the title "Generation X."

So the term Generation X wasn't 'invented' till 1991, but then you may be a bit young to know that.

[dysfunctional press]

53. i was born in 1961, and i am NOT a baby-boomer.

i don't identify with the boomers AT ALL. I am much more like a gen-xer. the same goes for all of my friends of the same age.

[alittlelark]

73. Officially you are a Boomer

I was born in 64, and am a 'Boomer', I may not think of act in the caricature of one, but I am in the Demographic.

So are you.

[dysfunctional press]

76. baby-boomer is not an "official" designation.

sorry to burst your bubble.

i- and you- are just as "officially" in the "Generation Jones" demographic.

[Odin2005]

128. Folks born in the early 60s are only Boomers in a demographic sense. But attitude-wise they...

...are Gen-Xers, they experienced little or none of the events of the 70s as adults. The term "Generation X" was invented by writers born in the early 60s that desired to distance themselves from the Boomers.

[stubtoe]

172. I always thought the demographic was artificial. It's an 18-year spread -

Technically wide enough that a Boomer could give birth to another - yes! - Boomer.

This is not a "generation", folks. It's a marketing demographic. How the hell it caught on as a political broadbrush is a mystery to me.

[flyarm]

89. yes you are a boomer!..it is not what you identify with..but you "are" a boomer! eom

[dysfunctional press]

91. actually, no...i'm generation jones- the LARGEST u.s. demographic.

http://www.generationjones.com/

http://www.jonathanpontell.com/aboutgenjones.htm

but i am NOT a 'baby-boomer'.

[flyarm]

179. In my 55 yrs i never heard of generation jones..get real!..

you can call yourself whatever but you are a baby boomer!

[dysfunctional press]

188. you can call me whatever you want as well- but i'm NOT a baby boomer.

nt

[Skittles]

205. yes

'57 - I am a Generation Jones Boomer. :D

[Skittles]

202. hell, I'm a '57 babe and I never identified with them either

but demo-wise we technically ARE boomers

[alittlelark]

71. 1964 was the last year of Boomers.

His political immaturity is showing.

[flyarm]

90. absolutely..who does he think holds the money today? the boomers..

or the 20 year olds?

this is very immature and very silly.

We boomers are the largest voting pool.

And who the heck does he think votes? my 30 year old? or me?...( hint ..my 30 yr old wouldn't vote if i didn't get his absentee ballot for him and stand over him to vote and mail it!)

fly

[fishnfla]

14. This boomer says: he may have a point

a little introspection and adjustment of the compass is good for all. people change, or they dont, or they wont.

Maybe the times are a-changing again

[sendero]

95. The problem with Obama's scenario is this..

.... it's not the Dem side of this equation that is intransigent and arrogant.

For 8 long years I watched as the president was attacked, attacked and attacked again for NOTHING.

For basically 25 years the Republicans have gotten their way on every major issue, the war, economy and business, civil rights. And look where it has led.

Obama has got the be the most naive person running for a major office I've seen in a long time. His uber-triangulation will not win him votes with the racist fundy crowd, but it has cost him every ounce of his credibility with most thinking progressives.

I don't care for HRC, but tbere is one possible scenario that will at least guarantee her election. If the right goes on the smear-fest I fully expect them to, it just might blow up in their faces. Of course, with HRC not much will change, but it would be better than Ghouliani where things would get decidedly worse.

[Skip Intro]

15. He really knows how to bring people together. First gives a big middle finger to the glbt community

then tells the "older" generation to sit down and shut up...


The audacity.

[Fed_Up_Grammy]

25. I consider the boomers to be the "younger" generation.

Everything is relative,isn't it?

[Skip Intro]

40. yes, indeed it is

It hurt me to write older, because I'm in that group myself

:hi:

[provis99]

182. Boomers are younger? How about, "Grumpy old coots"?

Living off of memories of a Woodstock they mostly never attended, civil rights marches they mostly never walked in, and nuclear wars they never fought. Can hardly wait until they remind me of those old farts in Florida who wear their pants up to their nipples and sit around on their porches all day and complain about taxes and the "young 'uns".

[Fed_Up_Grammy]

190. You certainly have an interesting viewpoint on old people.

No good role models,huh?

Sad !

[cuke]

194. My mom didn't go to Woodstock

but I remember sitting on the porch with her, listening to Jimi Hendrix "Star Bangled Banner" come wafting over from the other side of the mountain.

[Cha]

214. I know a lot more interesting older

people than you do.

[WinkyDink]

228. Parental issues?

[AlCzervik]

16. i'm going to see him next week in San Francisco, so many questions i'd like him to answer

i need to start book marking these threads just in case i get a chance to get to a mic. I am going to try and see as many canidates as possible.

[blues90]

17. Go to hell obama

The wanna be MLK .

[EFerrari]

18. I liked him before he starting talking.

This is beginning to feel like a bad date. lol

[kelligesq]

43. hee hee hee agreed n/t

.

[Lucinda]

50. LMAO

That sums it up perefctly for me. :rofl:

[SammyWinstonJack]

133. ...

:thumbsup:

[Cha]

215. Obama was great when he

first started talking..like he knew the right things to say and then it seems like he got a hold of some bad advisers, like "bad meat", who led him down this toxic path of insult and divide and or which ever comes first.

Ey, yi yi~

[AX10]

19. I really am begining to not like him.

[dflprincess]

20. Where is he getting this shit?

Yeah, the battles endure today, because we're trying not to lose any more of the ground that was gained in the '60s. We're still fighting racism, poverty, and an illegal war and we will not surrender and we will not check with a focus group to determine what is right. - In fact, Hillary Clinton is really Obama's kind of Boomer, I on the other hand, am not.

Methinks that, having been part of Senate with no spine, Obama is no longer able to tell the difference between compromise and surrender.

As Wellstone said "If we don't fight hard enough for the things we stand for, at some point we have to recognize that we don't really stand for them." (And technically, Wellstone wasn't a Boomer, he was born in 1944)

[tnlefty]

42. Thank you, dflprincess!

I'm at the later end of the boomers and it has become very clear to my children that the old fights for labor (unions), and the items that you mentioned will carry on to them as these issues just keep coming back around. Worker's rights are being gutted, racism is more alive than I've seen it since before Bush** took office, poverty has increased....

And Iraq is the same as Viet Nam in more than one way: the resources spent aren't available for fighting poverty, providing healthcare, education, nor anything that benefits society here or in the world.

I long for the day when these old struggles are resolved and we can finally move forward without surrender!

Thanks! :hi:

[WheelWalker]

58. Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty.... He's dissing us because,

having none, he needs to portray experience and wisdom, forged in the cauldron of history, as having de minimis value. Go suck an egg, bud....you're on my DO NOT ELECT list, now, ya cretin!

Oh, yes. 1949 here. Ya geriphobe.

[Le Taz Hot]

102. Oooh!

Geriphobe! I'm SOOO going to steal that. Applies to a WHOLE LOT of people around here. I particularly liked the "I smell old people" comment by some young DUer. And it was allowed to stand.

[WinkyDink]

141. I love "geriphobe", also! Hee!

[Cha]

216. So right, Wellstone was!

Paul and I were both born in 1944 and we're War Babies.

Thanks, for this quote, dflprincess~

"As Wellstone said "If we don't fight hard enough for the things we stand for, at some point we have to recognize that we don't really stand for them." (And technically, Wellstone wasn't a Boomer, he was born in 1944)"

[mark414]

22. change your headline - it's misleading

and anyways he's right

this ain't yer country anymore boomers, time to let the next generation take over

[Breeze54]

23. It's a direct quote and this is STILL MY COUNTRY!!!!

&s*h**#e!!

..... http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/21/weekinreview/21broder.html

[mark414]

26. where is the quote?

i see the article writer using it in the opening of the story. nowhere is obama directly quoted saying that.

[Breeze54]

28. Can you read?

Buy the book.

[mark414]

30. yes

there are no quotation marks. no quote.

no need to get snippy and personal, i was asking a question.

[SammyWinstonJack]

138. I think you are the one who made it personal.

this ain't yer country anymore boomers... Sounded personal too me. :shrug: And when will YOU "take over" exactly? While you are out roaming the country, seeing the sights, or after?

How's that for snippy?

[Dora]

33. Direct citations are a common courtesy.

When making a direct quote, as you assert you've done, it's a point of argument and of courtesy to provide a weblink for the text cited, or cite the book and the page number.

[Breeze54]

34. It's in the article written by a professional journalist.

Take it up with him.

[athena]

39. The article makes it clear that the sentence is a paraphrase.

You have taken the paraphrase, put it in quotation marks, and added Obama's name to it. So your post is a lie in itself.

The article you refer to is highly biased; the writer puts his own spin on what Obama says in the book. I've read both of Obama's books. The section where he mentions baby boomers is not an attack on baby-boomers the way the reviewer suggests.

Hopefully, your thread will encourage more people to read Obama's beautifully-written books.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

70. Not a direct quote, no quotation marks.

MKJ

[treestar]

84. Boomers will always be more numerous

They haven't even take over yet - I would say the older generation still is running things - and keeps trying to return to the 50s when the boomers were kids.

The boomers are a big bulge in the population, thus the 50s were about kids, the 60s about teens, the 70s about college campuses, the 80s about jobs, the 90s about new parents, the 00s about middle age and you can bet your butt the teens and 20s will be about old people.

[Le Taz Hot]

104. Precious

I'm 52 and I'm not going anywhere.

[madrchsod]

24. i agree with him

“I sometimes felt as if I were watching the psychodrama of the baby boom generation — a tale rooted in old grudges and revenge plots hatched on a handful of college campuses long ago — played out on the national stage.”

but what is he going to do to move the political beyond this?

[blues90]

27. He was born in 1961 he was still sucking his thumb all through the 60's

What does he know about it .

[Cha]

217. Listening to

"divide and conquer" advisers? Just a wild guess.

[blues90]

222. Hardly

[Hekate]

29. That article is a combo of his words and Broder's spin.Are we sure Obama actually...

...told an entire very large generation of voters to get over itself, in those words? This Boomer wonders.

When he talks about a "psychodrama" he actually has a valid point. The Vietnam War, for instance, has never been over in the minds of the people who supported it. All you have to do is watch the fireworks and spewing that goes on every time Jane Fonda dares to show her face at something political. "Hanoi Jane!" the shriek goes up.

The Boomer generation has been a handy whipping-boy for every conservative in politics for 40 long years. Nauseatingly enough, over the past 15 or 20 years, many of those politicians have been Boomers themselves. But it's just oh-so-convenient to label every single one of us as self-indulgent hippies who never aged after 1970.

"We" are not the ones perpetuating this drama -- it's the lazy code-talk of the MSM and Republican politicians. Look at the illustration for the article: a group of hippies, most drawn too young to be the grandparents we are now.

There are many thoughtful things to be said about the situation. Obama tends to be a thoughtful man -- often too cerebral for many people, in fact. He's also a politician trying to differentiate himself from others in the pack.

Like Clinton's cackle and Edwards' haircut, don't jump to immediate condemnation.

Hekate

[mark414]

32. well said

the lines drawn in the 60's still stand today and manifest themselves in the politics of bickering we have now. time to let the new generation take over.

[Hekate]

36. Wellll -- don't throw the baby (boomer) out with the bathwater, okay? nt

[athena]

37. Obama didn't actually say that. The title of the thread is intentionally misleading.

The quote does not belong to Obama; it belongs to the blogger, who is putting his own spin on one vague paragraph in "The Audacity of Hope."

Someone else pointed this out earlier in the thread, and the OP told him/her to go read the book. Well, I have read both of Obama's books; not only does Obama not say what is quoted in the title, but he also doesn't directly attack baby-boomers the way the blogger suggests.

Both "Dreams from my Father" and "The Audacity of Hope" are good books. They're very well-written. I recommend everyone to read them.

[Breeze54]

38. It is not intentionally misleading at all!!

The author interviewed Mr. Obama. Talk to him...he states that Obama said it!

[WheelWalker]

56. Set the spin on "Damage Control"....

[mrreowwr_kittty]

61. Thank you. I am shocked that people here are taking this personally.

We are supposed to be more thoughtful and critical than that. He's not talking about people, but rather symbols and cultural references. Unfortunately for Hillary Clinton, she is inextricably linked to them and will have to fight those old battles, whereas Obama is not encumbered by that baggage.

[Texas_Kat]

81. Symbols by definition stand for something

The visceral reaction he's getting is because most of those symbols are PERSONAL. It's not an academic exercise. WE didn't read about them in a book, we damned well lived through them.

They mean something to us. Obama didn't and so doesn't value them. He thinks it's more important to "compromise".

Most of the things we fought for in the 60s and early 70s aren't compromisable.

[Neshanic]

82. Perfect. Thanks for that .

[flyarm]

96. isn't Obama a boomer? ..he slapped himself..but he was at the tail end of the boomers..

maybe he didn't do anything to define himslef then..but i know as a boomer ..i protested and helped stop a war..a war that killed 56,000 other boomers ..my peers..they did have a value to all of us..it was our government that had no value for them..and sent them to die for lies..just as today our govwernment sends our boomer kids to die for lies.

We boomers saw to it that women had "choice"..and were able to get out of dirty filthy wherehouses for abortions. We fought for those rights.

Many boomers fought for civil rights that are taken for granted today.

Obama is a immature senator..he does not have enough experience to tell his "minders" to fuck off.

The boomers are the largest voting block in this nation ..with the first ones having just turned retirement age..we know how retired people vote...and we know how 20 yr olds don't vote..

he is like og crapping in his own cage..not too smart.

fly

[Blue_In_AK]

35. I had never warmed to Obama.

It's getting chillier all the time.

[Jacobin]

41. Yeah. Fuck the Civil Rights Act, the Clean Air Act; stopping Viet Nam

through fighting the military industrial complex in the streets, fuck women's rights, lets all just make nice with the fascists in this country, and maybe they won't get us all killed with their military madness, maybe they won't finish destroying the environment, maybe they'll let us have a little privacy.


This dickwad, using generational warfare to toss out the hard won gains that my generation fought for can kiss my ass and choke on it.

[frankenforpres]

65. stopping vietnam???

[Jacobin]

197. I should clarify

Ending the war on Viet Nam

[Duppers]

80. Thank You!

:yourock:

[lynne]

44. Absolute Political Suicide -

- to insult and piss off the largest, most influential and probably wealthiest demographic group within the voting base. Just right down stupid and there is no way to sugar coat it. If Obama was working in marketing and made that statement, he'd be fired on the spot.

Obama proved himself Not-Ready-For-Prime-Time with that gaff.

[Karenina]

146. Yeeeuuuup.

[opihimoimoi]

45. Lindsey Wagner crowd, me too, am not liking this...one bit...us boomers vote

and when we vote....we try to stay away from peeps who sas us boomers

[bbgrunt]

47. way to win voters--not. way to heal divisions--not.

[WheelWalker]

48. Non compos mentis....

Sometimes referred to as "composted," Mr. Obama has now attained that ignoble mental state characterized chiefly by the inability to manage one's own affairs. I judge that this path does not lead to his goal. Mr. Obama has revealed his most closeted fear of Al Gore and the rest of us who have no intention of quietly riding off into the sunset. A person's fears are a window into their intentions.

Beware, all of us.... all who remain of the jungle remnants of the hippie counterculture.

And you, too, Mr. Obama, be alert... for how can you be certain just WHO those men with their funny white coats are coming to take away, ha ha, ho ho, hee hee.... to the funny farm, where life is beautiful ALL day long, ha ha, ho ho, hee, hee....?

[lpbk2713]

51. I honestly hadn't ruled out any possible Dem candidates until ....

Obama drew a line in the sand. Unfortunately he has chosen to put himself on one side and me on the other.

[OnionPatch]

55. Oh, well that really makes me want to support....

his opponents!

[Atman]

59. This place cracks me up! I posted a very similar cartoon and was called a racist.

A couple of weeks ago. People were outraged. Showing Obama dancing was tantamount to saying he was just a dancin' negro, a Jim Crow caricature. Mine was about the election, The Big Dance. But it was racist I was told. I don't see any similar comments in this thread. Hmmmm. I guess mine wasn't cartoony enough....



.

[Cha]

218. It's not "racist"...

there's too much wringing of hands over the slighest perception or misconception. Dancing is my thing cause I can't sing and I don't think any one heritage can take credit for it.

[Neshanic]

60. He really is bordering on sickening. Thank God he has not one chance of becoming President.

Really, considering his various pandering modes lately, I think this one takes the cake.

[WinkyDink]

62. I'm 58, not 98. WHO the HELL does Obama think he is?? Well, these old legs will NOT be stumping for

HIM.

[WheelWalker]

72. I'm with you ! See #58, above. He wants everyone else to forget the past because

he can't remember it. Just who IS irrelevant here?

[nadinbrzezinski]

63. Another uniter running for the Presidency I guess

:eyes:

[OzarkDem]

66. Sorry, Obama, you're still too inexperienced n/t

[skyblue]

92. Can't win FL or NH. Sorry. nt

[OzarkDem]

93. He's too "green"

meaning, he just doesn't have the experience to handle the job.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

69. Except he never spoke those words. People really don't read anymore, do they?

MKJ

[WheelWalker]

79. Well, if he DIDN'T say it; or, even if he did, but he didn't MEAN it,

he sure ought'a get his butt into this conversation and set us straight. But that'll never happen, I think. We won't even rate some second rate spin doctors. We fogies are used up... irrelevant... UNWORTHY of a seat at the party. It doesn't MATTER what WE think. We're hamstrung by our experience. Bah, Humbug!

Guess I'll go take my meds and go to bed. It's getting kind of late for someone like me to still be up.

[Jim Sagle]

74. Fuck'm.

[Duppers]

83. I can understand the younger generation wanting more power, BUT....

why kick the teeth of the people who first parted the fog of corporate group think?

Obama's campaign is and has been about generational differences, either authorized or not. Remember this one:

"Political video smackdown
'Hillary 1984': Unauthorized Internet ad for Obama converts Apple Computer's '84 Super Bowl spot into a generational howl against Clinton's presidential bid."
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/03/18/MNGHNONEPS1.DTL&feed=rss.news


Here's the vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6h3G-lMZxjo

That's an unmistakable swipe at an older and still very influential and viable generation of fighters.

Besides, there are much more important differences for he and and his campaign to take issue with.

Why divide us by age, for goodness sakes??! This is stupid.

[The Backlash Cometh]

85. I don't think he's going to get much mileage out of that.

It was the "greatest generation" that got all the benefits from government. The baby boomers have worked all their lives and are about to see the biggest theft of confidence, when they lose their ss allotments.

I would suggest that Barak tred lightly here.

[Vinca]

88. Not a wise statement.

As a demon boomer, this makes me much less likely to vote for Obama.

[rolleitreks]

94. We had to put up with the Greatest Generation until 1992. Gen X

will just have to suck it up and wait.

[cgrindley]

97. Good for him. I'm sick and tired of self-important boomers

It's going to be an awesome day when the last person who attended woodstock or marched in whatever or staged a sit in or who thinks that the dope they smoked 40 years ago is even remotely similar to the dope of today or who believes that you don't need at least a master's degree or that you should always fight the "man" or that Andrea Dworkin was anything other than a first rate assmunch finally gets packed off to the rest home.

[HeeBGBz]

100. Thanks, pal

Your kindness reeks.

[cgrindley]

105. I'm not being kind

your generation certainly hasn't been kind to mine.

[HeeBGBz]

110. So fuck us all

Because someone pissed in your cornflakes somewhere down the line.

Boo fuckin hoo.

[cgrindley]

Typical boomer

can't admit that your generation has caused way more evil in the world than mine, eh?

[WinkyDink]

145. You've got time. Are you in the streets, yet? No? Too young?

Don't want to take the risks?

[cgrindley]

154. Time?

My generation has to work 12 hours a day 6 or 7 days a week to get what your generation got merely for being able to lie about inhaling.

[WinkyDink]

225. "lie about inhaling"? Do you think that's clever, your little dig at Clinton?

[WinkyDink]

144. We got the draft ended. Watch it, or we'll get it re-instated.

[cgrindley]

151. Gen X is just about too old for the draft (nt)

[WildEyedLiberal]

232. How delightfully liberal of you.

Reaffirming all notions that boomers are perhaps the most self-indulgent, self-congratulatory, and selfISH generation of all time. By the way, thanks for Reagan.

[Cha]

220. No Shit.

[Le Taz Hot]

113. From the person who thinks

drying one's clothes on a clothesline is offensive. :wtf: Consider the source.

[cgrindley]

116. For the last time, clotheslines are an unsightly blight on the suburban

landscape. They are the visual equivalent of leaf blowers and washing a Hummer in the driveway.

[Le Taz Hot]

137. Well, of course

because drying clothes on a clothesline (environmentally friendly) = leaf blower (not environmentally friendly). :crazy: I feel bad for all the people who have you on ignore, they're missing a great deal of entertainment value here.

[Cha]

221. Poor thing..needs to take

a crash course in logic.

Yeah, I don't have anyone on ignore cause you never know what ya need to see..in the meantime all you have to do is not look at that particular

[WinkyDink]

147. So----drying clothes without using finite resources is part of our "evil", eh?

[cgrindley]

155. No... but sanctimoniously braying about it sure as heck is

that's basically the problem with boomers in a nutshell. someone buys a god damn Prius (which basically gets the exact same gas milage as your typical late 1980's sub-compact but at three times the price) and then crows about it like they're god damn Dr King. Well, buying a car or hanging your laundry out to dry does NOTHING useful. NOTHING.

Plus, both laundry lines and Prius are ugly.

[WinkyDink]

148. No. SUBURBIA is an unsightly blight on THE landscape.

[cgrindley]

152. And what's your alternative, a freaking commune? (nt)

[WinkyDink]

226. It was good enough for Jesus!

[laylah]

111. Dear cgrindley

Would you please share with the board just WTF you have contributed to this once great country? Your accomplishments? Goals? Contributions? And, may I please inquire as to your age? We boomers are all ears? Oh, and btw, you don't have a CLUE re: good dope...trust me :smoke: :hippie: :rofl:

[cgrindley]

115. Me?

Born in 1966. I'm not even American. I'm from the Pacific Northwest and a member of the Canadian diaspora. My accomplishments? I haven't done anything, but at least I'm not delusional thinking that my generation has saved the world, when in reality, it has actually arranged for its complete and total devastation.



PS hydroponic BC bud makes your wretched 60's home bo look like oregano.

[Odin2005]

130. Looks like we share the same opinions on Dworkin, LOL!!! n/t/

"first-rate assmunch" :rofl:

[OnionPatch]

168. Who said they were self-important?

I don't know any "boomers" who think they are so damn "important" as you're making it out. It's the media that's constantly talking about "boomers." THEY made us "important." We never asked for all the boomer attention the media gives us. I never even thought of myself as a member of a certain generation until the freakin media started yammering about it constantly. It's the media and those behind it who like to divide and compartmentalize everyone.

So nice to know that people I don't even know can't wait to see me carted off to the old-folks home. If I didn't mind getting kicked off this board, I'd return the favor and tell you my wishes for YOU.

[Joe Fields]

177. And your generation has done.....what? Stood for.....what?

[laylah]

99. And with that...

I am truly "over" Obama! Get over ourselves? I beg your pardon? :mad:

[cgrindley]

103. Yeah, get over yourself

your generation's selfishness is directly responsible for irreversible climate change. your generation's me-first attitudes are responsible for the grotesque inequalities of American society. your generation's feeble grasp of economics have given us right sizing, down sizing, off shoring and so on. your generation's politics gave us Bush for 8 long years and will probably give us Rudy for 8 more.

thanks.

GO TIE DYE A GRATEFUL DEAD SHIRT.

[laylah]

114. what a nasty little

thang you are. don't broadbrush me, junior! you haven't a clue what many of my generation have done/are still doing to stop the annihilation of our country and our earth. please, do share what YOU have contributed? we're listening...

[cgrindley]

120. My generation hasn't contributed anything negative

can yours say the same?

I thought not.


PS thanks for irreversible global climate change.

[laylah]

121. not my question

junior. What HAVE you contributed? We, the boomers, are so evil, tell us why you Gen Xers are going to be better? We're still waiting?

[cgrindley]

129. I have contributed nothing...

neither has my generation. But that is infinitely better than the boomers, who have arranged for the destruction of the earth.

[WinkyDink]

150. No need to qualify it, if you catch my drift.

[laylah]

124. All those atrocities

re: downsizing, economics, etc, started under King Ronnie, honey, someone right (no pun intended) thinking Americans did not support. Blame it on the repubs, not ALL Boomers, okay. Study your history then come back with an educated argument. We are always up for one of those. :hug:

[cgrindley]

127. That's not entirely accurate

downsizing, rightsizing, off shoring etc did not even hit the mainstream until half a decade after Reagan. These political and economic theories could have been stopped by Clinton, but weren't. He merely made them worse.

[laylah]

135. Yes, Pres. Clinton

and his signing of NAFTA did make things worse but be that as it may, that screwed up thinking started under Ronnie. Too bad President Clinton took it further. I cannot disagree with anything you have written in this particular post.

[Bassic]

101. Nevermind the fact

that he never acutally said that.

[cgrindley]

106. Well, I wish he had (nt)

[Bassic]

107. I understand where you're coming from.

But it would not have been politically sound for him to acutally say it.

[cgrindley]

112. You're right

it still has to get said once in a while by someone. As a Generation X'er, I feel that my people will never gain real political or economic power, and the controls will pass directly from the boomers to Generation Y (which in many ways is even worse than the Boomers).

[laylah]

118. My oldest is a Gen Xer

and she would find you, and your lack of ability to respectfully and intelligently contribute to a conversation, an embarrassment. She agrees with some of your points but you have a hell of a way of presenting them, kiddo.

[cgrindley]

125. Whatever

I'm sick and tired of boomers with their we did x, y and z attitude. Everything from abortion (one of the supreme court justices deciding the case was born in the late 1800's) to civil rights (all of the major players were born well before the war) to the end of Vietnam (ended by the same horrible old reptiles that started it and kept it going for as long as they did). It's all a pile of crap. All the fatuous sit ins and bullshit protests did little or nothing and any of their results pale in comparison to what boomers did to the earth and to everyone on it once they gained political and economic power.

I'm the first to admit that my generation is comprised of failures. I'm one of them. And so what? At least I haven't made the earth a worse place.

Just once I'd love to hear a boomer admit that his or her generation is responsible for some pretty significant evil. Bush, after all, is one of theirs.

[laylah]

134. grindley

I don't think that any of the Boomers on this board would disagree that our generation has made some major f*ckups; however, what you choose NOT to acknowledge, is the much good we have, and still TRY to do. Unfortunately, WE, the People, have little or no voice left in government. If you have any ideas what we might do, please, PLEASE, do tell. I, for one, know your generation (my daughter) is our future. Tell us what you plan to do to right things? That is a respectful request. What can we depend on your generation to do, other than turn we "asshat Boomers" into Soylent Green, to make this world a better place for you, your kids, and your grandkids?

As for you being a failture? Naw, you're just starting out, don't sell yourself short, son. Get rid of some of that aggressive anger and put it to good use. We "old farts" :rofl: need you guys/gals. We just want to know what we can DEPEND on you to do!

As an aside, I was raised to respect the wisdom and contributions of past generations. There was/is something to be said for that mindset. Just saying...

[cgrindley]

139. It's a nice thought

but it's not going to happen. For one, the baby boom generation is only going to relinquish power on death, and for two, they're going to relinquish it to Generation Y. My crowd, and we're not young, we're all in our late 30's and early 40's, will forever be shut out of the process. For one, yes, we're way too cynical. We're not positive nor upbeat nor any of those things that typify boomers. Boomers are relentlessly positive and do have the idea that yes, they can and did change the world. Unfortunately, they did change the world, and for every good change, there was an accompanying bad change. The problem is that a few of the bad changes have pretty much screwed the world up forever.

I'd prefer to do nothing except complain. At least the great generation defeated Hitler.

[deacon]

109. I'm over you mr obama. you didn't show up for the Mukasey vote.

Let me introduce you to my tin ear.

[sendero]

119. The time has come..

... for Barak Obama to get over the idea he will ever be president.

Hope may be audacious, but it's not that damned audacious.

[Ganja Ninja]

123. Let me run that through the filter of this baby boomer's ears and

play it back for you.

"I'm the only one who can unite the country and by the way don't those baby boomer's suck!"

Arrogant, divisive and ignorant, haven't we had our fill of that by now?

[laylah]

126. Well, my

"filters" just filtered Obama out. Initially he was my 1st pick (well, 2nd, Gore has always been my first)but the more he opens his mouth, the more I come to dislike him.

[cooolandrew]

131. I get a strong feeling that the current top 3 have nothing to offer. Kucinich the only candidate in

my eyes. The question to decide is shall the media pick the cqndidate or the people on who addresses the issues.

[MBS]

132. I wish Barack would stop this patter

It's unnecessary, it's unnecessarily and unfairly insulting, it's politically stupid, and, yes, like many boomers who have worked very hard to make this country a better place for our entire adult lives-- yes, I take it personally.
On the other hand, note that that article was JANUARY 2007.
Has Obama toned down this line lately, though, I wonder, beyond the "time to turn the page" meme?

[Bassic]

136. He never actually said

what the OP says he said.

[WinkyDink]

142. January 2007 is NOT ancient history, FGS.

[OneBlueSky]

149. screw you, buddy . . . it's time for some political candidates to get over THEMselves . . . n/t

.

[Paladin]

153. Bye Bye, Mr. Obama (n/t)

[SIMPLYB1980]

156. K&R

Some very good history in this post.

[Hobarticus]

158. What the hell happened to Obama?

When did he turn into such a klutzy a-hole?

[ryanus]

159. I feel the same

[DS1]

163. just wait till Diebold introduces its new "VCR clock" edition voting machine

Darwin rocks!





:hide:

[LeftHander]

165. I know where his coming from....early boomers overshadow

All the accomplishments of their little brother's and sisters...

We who were in high school between 75-82 were the ones who were ignored by our culture, by our older siblings and didn't fit in with the "X" generation that quickly followed.

So now WE have come of age. Carrying the same ideas we have had all along...that nobody listened too.

THIS IS OUR TIME!!!

WE WILL BE IN CHARGE. AND REAL PROGRESS is going to happen.

Still the older boomers want to ignore us. Just like you always did.

Well...I say...THIS IS OUR TIME...NOW...we aren't going to accept old ideas, we aren't going to cave into republicans we are going to have the PEOPLE on our side.

I am SICK of BEING IGNORED and scorned by the grey hair boomers.

Don't fight us....HELP US...take charge.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

169. Oh, I'm so sorry, boss. We should be grateful that you joined the sytem we fought against.

But, on second thought, you can piss off.

[SteppingRazor]

170. This OP's headline is terribly misleading.

Why put quotes around it as if the lead of the story is a direct quote from Obama, rather than Broder's writing? That's really unfair.

[Zorra]

174. That's pretty scary. The only thing that the fascists would like more

than wiping the '60's from the history books would be for the New Deal never to have happened.

If it weren't for politically conscious/active boomers fighting year after year to protect our civil liberties and our environment, we would not be having this conversation - we would be wearing oxygen masks and living in a 1984 type dictatorial fascist idiocracy where free speech was already forbidden.

It sure wasn't the fucking "Reagan Democrats" that kept the torch of liberty burning.

[Odin2005]

186. If you think Obama wants to erase the gains of the 60s you are totally wrong.

Obama isn't trashing the legacy of the 60s, he's saying that it is stupid for the Boomers keep framing the issues in a way that may have made sense in 1968 but are totally out of place in 2007 and that this anachronistic framing makes it look like the Boomers are stuck in 1968.

[provis99]

183. typical Boomer responses.

Obama says he won't kiss boomer ass, so the boomers won't vote for him. What massive, Cathedral-sized egos. Lest I hear more blathering about how you all won the civil rights battles, let me remind you that it was other boomers who fought against civil rights, too (Trent Lott, anyone?). For those who whine about the draft, let me point out that the Greatest Generation got drafted, too. And had ten times as many killed in war. For those who like to believe the 60's were about peace and freedom and equality, let me point out that the 60's were when Lincoln Rockwell founded the American Nazi party, the Klan experienced a revival, and Charles Manson was on the loose. The 60's was also the generation of a massive increase in crime, and riots burning down hundreds of towns and cities. Boomer cops were notorious for their police brutality; the Gen X cops of today are much milder, in comparison. If you want to bray about how great boomers were, I think the full truth requires you reflect on the bad aspect of the Boomer generation, too.

[Odin2005]

185. Whatch out, the Boomers will accuse you of "parroting right-wing revisionist history."

In the minds of many far-left Boomers they are solely responsible for civil rights, ending the Vietnam War, destroying Tricky Dick, and reforming the political machinery of the Democratic Party. Never mind that Hubert Humphrey, George McGovern, and Betty Freidan were of the WW2 Generation and that MLKjr., Malcolm X, RFK, and Eugene McCarthy were of the Korean War Generation. :eyes:

[Rosemary2205]

199. Amen Amen and Amen

I AM a (late) boomer and I don't remember it being all kum ba ya. In fact, I remember my brother being murdered for the great sin of being an "oreo" by another boomer and my childhood home being burnt to the ground the day after MLK was killed because my mother "looks" white.

There are great boomers and suck ass boomers.

[Name removed]

209. Deleted message

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[WinkyDink]

227. Yes, the 60's had turmoil; it's called having an

UNDECLARED WAR; a CRIMINAL President; a series of ASSASSINATIONS; a TIME for RISING UP to ATTAIN CIVIL RIGHTS that "the Greatest Generation, Causasian Division" seemed not to care for, as they went to college FREE on the G.I. Bill.

Today's police "are much milder"?? Tasers, much?!?

[Greyskye]

191. Boomers are our greatest resource!

[earth mom]

192. Where have I heard this "I hate the hippies" talk before? Oh yeah from the rethuglicans.

Obviously Obama's one of them. :puke:

Well....I told ya so...months ago.

[Buns_of_Fire]

193. Okay, everyone, time for a group hug!

:grouphug: (Ouch, not so hard. My lumbago's acting up again...)
:hide:

[cuke]

195. Great idea Obama

You first

[panzerfaust]

200. BTW Obama how did you vote

on the Attorney General confirmation.

Oh. I see.

[Enrique]

203. why must DUers be so careless with facts?

the quote marks are not factual. If the NYT had done that, they would have had to apologize.

Why do we let people state factual inaccuracies to us regularly on DU?

edited to comply with DU rules.

[Breeze54]

206. First off, I did NOT lie and that's against the rules to

accuse other DUers of lying. Second of all, that IS basically what he said

and third? It states in the article that he said it.

THE time has come, Senator Barack Obama says, for the baby boomers to get over themselves.

Maybe that is up for interpretation but having a hissy fit over quote marks is absurd.

If you have a problem with it, contact the author and ask him if he told him that!

That's IS what I thought he (the author) was saying and still do.

[Enrique]

207. I apologize, I didn't know about that rule

I guess it's a good one.

No, it's not basically what he said, it's very different from anything I've heard him say, ever, and the quote marks make all the difference. Obama doesn't speak that way. Obama has interesting things to say about his new way of looking at politics, and people are turning it into a personal insult against their beloved generation.

The author didn't put the quote marks. He would have gotten into huge trouble if he had, because Obama never spoke those words. He's interpreting what Obama is saying, and he's honest enough to make that crystal clear. It's not even big-deal honesty, it's basic minimal honesty.

[Breeze54]

208. That's a matter of interpretation.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules.html

Do not call another member of this message board a liar, and do not call another member's post a lie.
You are, of course, permitted to point out when a post is untrue or factually incorrect.

[Cha]

210. "Feuding"? We're under

fucking Fasism rule and obama is accusing us of Feuding.

Yeah, way to think you're gonna divide and conquer, ol bean.

[MasonJar]

219. Baby Boomers were allegedly from 1946 to 1964. Sorry, Senator Obama.

[Kazak]

223. Three strikes...

He's outta there!

[leftofthedial]

224. and for this boomer to get over Mr. Obama

[WinkyDink]

229. Obama's BIGGEST mistake, with these remarks/attitude: WE STILL HAVE THE MOST $$$$!

Being the largest demographic!

Good luck with your next fund-raiser with the cast of "High School Musical"!