KUCINICH: Conyers WILL Hold Hearings Into The Impeachment Of Chenney

[kpete]

Dennis Kucinich just announced on the Ed Schultz show that John Conyers will hold hearings into the impeachment of Cheney. A full House vote yesterday would never have succeeded and would only have endangered red-state Democratic House members. But hearings could do the trick. I've been saying all along: Follow the Nixon impeachment playbook.

http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2007/11/conyers-and-impeachment.html

[Toots]

1. What good will hearings do when witnesses are subpoenaed and won't show up?

The Bush* Administration is "Privileged" you know. Nobody has to testify if they don't want to and even if they do they won't be allowed to. It has all become a very sick joke on America.. It isn't just people but papers won't be allowed to be presented either..

[tekisui]

4. Executive Privilege doesn't apply to Impeachment Hearings.

I hope its true, last I heard from Conyers was they were discussing it, and then Wexler came out for it. Maybe Conyers listened to him and us.

[Toots]

10. I guess you haven't heard..............9-11 changed EVERYTHING

:shrug: Who do you think the Extreme Court will rule in favor of over this?

[BornagainDUer]

18. "Extreme Court"??

:rofl:
Nice one toots

I hope you're wrong, but you're probably right.

[rateyes]

28. Cheney or Bush has no recourse to SCOTUS on their own impeachment.

If they are impeached, then the Chief Justice is obligated to preside as trial judge in the Senate. If Convicted, they are removed from office...NO APPEALS.

[Toots]

44. If they are Impeached

Impeachment comes after investigations. We have already seen how the Administration is handling Congressional investigations at the moment. I doubt Articles of Impeachment will pass unless evidence of wrong doing is put forward and gathering that evidence seems to be not so easy. Part of the deal to get the new Attorney General was that he would not appoint a Independent Investigater or special Prosecuter to investigate the Administration. They are not going to turn over any evidence that will incriminate them without a major battle which IMO will end up in fromt of the Extreme court. I hope I'm wrong but we will see. You would think Waxman would jump all over this as well as Conyers if it were so cut and dried..

[MonkeyFunk]

53. People keep saying that

but I've never seen anything to indicate that.

I see no reason why impeachment hearings would have some sort of special power over regular hearings.

[debbierlus]

40. This is the fight that we need to have -

We have to do this -

Come what may

[burrowowl]

60. If the hearings are broadcast on ABC, CBS, NBC and PBS

as they should be, like the Nixon hearings (yes I am an Old Fart) then the people will see what is going on. And maybe the TV writers strike happened at the right time!

[IndyOp]

2. Wait - if he said this yesterday on Ed Schultz - really said that Conyers WILL

hold hearings, not MIGHT hold hearings -- wouldn't someone listening to Ed Schultz have posted it here? How much "news" is this "news"?

I want it to be true. I don't want to jump to conclusions...

:shrug:

[librechik]

30. Kooch was on Ed's show today n/t

[drm604]

61. That Cannonfire blog entry is dated Wednesday, November 07. N/T

[orleans]

63. compare & contrast

conyers' spokesperson said this 11/6
"The committee has a very busy agenda - over the next two weeks, we hope to pass a FISA bill, to vote on contempt of Congress citations, pass legislation on prisoner re-entry, court security and a variety of other very important items. We were surprised that the minority was so ready to move forward with consideration of a matter of such complexity as impeaching the Vice President. The Chairman will discuss today's vote with the committee members but it would seem evident that the committee staff should continue to consider, as a preliminary matter, the many abuses of this Administration, including the Vice President." - House Judiciary Committee Spokeswoman
http://judiciary.house.gov/newscenter.aspx?A=880

and dennis was on his show 11/7
so he said that conyers WILL after conyers' office said they're really busy now...

[Freddie Stubbs]

68. Perhaps Conyer's office knows more about this than Kucinich

[riverdeep]

3. Good.

Let's get the process started and see where it takes us. If they don't show, they don't show. It looks like they're hiding something. Hint: they are.

Just one thing, the gloves must come off now. If you try to kill the king, you must succeed. Go for the jugular because you won't get a second chance. Looking at you, Pelosi.

[VP505]

16. I agree

and I would like to think that Conyers is smart enough to present evidence that doesn't rely of witness confirmation. In other words let him read his evidence to an empty chair if necessary but hold the hearing anyway.

[OzarkDem]

5. Even starting the hearings may make Cheney resign

witnesses called in an impeachment investigation can't use executive privelege, etc. It may force Cheney to jump ship or face all the criminal charges.

[Virginia Dare]

9. You know he'll jump ship first, for "health reasons"...

and bush would immediately issue a blanket pardon.

[tekisui]

11. If that happens they should still Impeach, it's unpardonable.

[defendandprotect]

23. I agree --- these crimes should following them to their graves ----

Cheney has cashed in his chips --- bought Euros????

Presumably he has a place to go --- no extradition treaties?

But Rummy wasn't too comfortable in France, recently ---

And, I hope that these murderers will be pursued by World Criminal Courts for the rest of
their lives.

[madokie]

35. UAE is the distination for all of them when it gets to hot for them here

when the nightmare we been living for almost seven years is finally over for us the troubles will only be beginning for them

[JDPriestly]

65. Is that where Michael Jackson went? Or did he go to some other

country in the Middle East?

[rateyes]

29. That's right...

and, he would lose all his benefits.

[rockybelt]

34. benefits

Darth does not need any benefits. Darth filed disclosure reports that show he is valued at $94 mil.
He is still getting deferred payments from Halliburton and he owns at least 433,000 shares of Halliburton stock
Put him in prison, at the very least andseize all assets to help repay costs of war. I know it is only a drop in the bucket, but hey!

[Kaleko]

62. that scenario cheered me up. I'm visualizing it now... yep, highly recommended

[AntiFascist]

21. K&R, this is excellent news...

if nothing else, this is the necessary "blowback" for all of the executive privelege abuses. Hearings will expose them for the criminals that they are!

[rockybelt]

33. Jumping ship

How about if he jumped ship AND got impeached. Would that work?

[Generator]

36. Right, and Al Gore is running for president

Announcing on 30 Rock tonight I believe? Sorry, but nobody is going to pry power out of Cheney's hands unless they are dead and cold.

[MonkeyFunk]

54. What's the source

for that claim?

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

6. I just hope that this is the case. Conyers had his own Impeachment resolution

against Bush in December 2005. Why this is like pulling teeth now is beyond me.

[PATRICK]

7. With a difference, but yes

this is the only way. Watergate slowly and with trepidation unwound in the press that allowed the people to get involved, gobbling up the surprising ratings, turning the few networks into veritable C-Spans in the last stages. The nation was sitting in on the Congress. Ultimate, universal revelations and judgments
were becoming a tidal wave. The rats abandoned ship. The electronic plebiscite was disbanded and things sank into the sordid normal, into the murk that never quite dispelled. No impeachment. Slow, incomplete trials. Pardons. The return of the beast from the sour gut of RW conservatives.

The media has shown it has learned from that, as well as having lost the concentrated grip of a few networks while increasing the corporate grip of a few RW owners over the infotainment chaos. It TRIED to get Clinton impeached among the people and has used its power constantly to "impeach" the honor and integrity of most Dems. Blatantly, obviously, it has used its power to quash public attention and dissent and the release of even well known information crying to heaven for impeachment action.

The media is the lid of the pressure cooker. It is hot. Steam and movement of the lid. This time if it goes the most likely result will be far more dramatic than the Nixon case, because of the resistance and the sudden swift release. Yet it depends on the hot engagement of the people, not the Congress that, if left to its own devices, with or without the media blanket could never come together to get the job done. Ironically, the top Dems assisting the suppression, as with the past reconciliations and compromises of the past that guaranteed the escape and survival of the most dangerous elements of RW takeover artists in the last hundred years, have increased the heat while those with duty and conscience are prying open the lid. The GOP cannot take comfort in the efforts of either much less the combined effect being a dramatic increase of the possible explosion.

As with the American Revolution, in this concentrated case, losing battles is nowhere important as maintaining, surviving and building public support while unsustainable repression keeps gambling on might and suppression. As they will, because in their deck of marked cards they have a very good chance of winning, having come this far with so little resistance.

[LWolf]

8. Good. We're all watching and waiting! n/t

[H2O Man]

12. Very good!

And you are absolutely right: follow the path from the Nixon era.

Nominated!

[liberalnurse]

13. You can listen to Dennis Kucinich from the Ed Schultz Show

on his web site.

Here is the copy/paste version which I do not know if the audio link works.

Here is the home page:

http://www.bigeddieradio.com/

Rep. Dennis Kucinich, D-OH, joined the 1st hour of Wednesday's show to discuss his resolution to impeach Dick Cheney

OOPS.......maybe not....I subscribe to his podcast so maybe that is why I get the audio........sorry.

Ed Schultz is on KFGO at 0930 (9:30 AM) in South Dakota.....Lets listen and see if he says anything about his Kucinich interview of yesterday.

http://www.kfgo.com/

[soothsayer]

14. I'll believe it when I see it (but I really, really hope I'll see it!)

[Gregorian]

15. Set it in motion.

This was a critical step. One that won't be turned off.

[nancyharris]

17. It will never happen

Congressman Coyners could have done this any time in the last year but has decided against it. Considering he and all of the rest of the Democrats on the Committee voted to table the resolution it is unlikely that they would then turn around and schedule hearing on the resolution. He needs the consensus of his Democratic Committee members to schedule hearings and there is little chance we would be able to get their support. The resolution is dead - get used to it.

[mmonk]

19. That is all I ask as well as it be televised.

[pberq]

20. great news! - let's hope this actually happens

[defendandprotect]

22. Great . . .with interruption of holidays, etal . . . maybe something happening after New Year???

[RiverStone]

24. Keeping going Dennis! It's a marathon...

kicking of course! :applause:

[Hekate]

49. Little guys like DK can just keep chugging along until the job gets done. Go, Dennis! nt

[lovuian]

25. Yessssssss!!!

:woohoo:

[G_Leo_Criley]

26. yes -- k&r

"Follow the Nixon impeachment playbook"

Exactly. Then, and only then, will it succeed.

Thank you for posting this news kpete!

glc

[Individualist]

27. K&R

[spanone]

31. Ain't That Good News.....any light we can shine on the dark side is good.

[mzmolly]

32. I hope Bush isn't far behind. We can't afford to set up Guilliani with a nice VP

"record" in the OO. Impeach them BOTH.

[kelligesq]

37. If Pelosi & Hoyer dont hide Conyers in the basement - still keep the

pressure up.

Someone has all the toll free numbers.

here's one 1800 862 5530

[rockybelt]

38. Conyers Will

If this is the real deal and it does happen, the repulsives will be kicking themselves in the ass for getting it done themselves.

BEAUTIFUL:bounce: :bounce: :kick: :bounce: :bounce:

[The Wizard]

58. Excepting for the deep south,

why any Republican running for office would want Bush or Cheney on the scene defies logic. These guys are radioactive.

[Breeze54]

39. Good!!!

Now, we'll just have to wait and see what happens and in the meantime?

Keep calling and sending e-mails and faxes to the Judiciary Committee and all your reps!!

EMAIL ACTION FORM:

http://www.usalone.com/hres333.php">TELL YOUR HOUSE MEMBER TO STAND UP FOR CHENEY IMPEACHMENT NOW

[robertpaulsen]

41. Recommended!

Yes, follow that playbook! Televise the exposure of that traitor!

[The Stranger]

42. Start the hearings, hold them every day, all day, and never fucking stop until we bring it down.

Perfect timing with the first veto override for the Neocon Junta.

[Pooka Fey]

43. Could it really be true? K&R

[Canuckistanian]

45. Here's hoping

:toast:

[AikidoSoul]

46. Hearings are the best route ... thanks KPete K & R

It's good news too. I was worried about Conyers and the way he was dragging his feet yesterday

[mirrera]

47. My son will find me watching hearings like I found my parents...

Weird the parallels. Vietnam-Nixon Iraq-Bush, kids the age I was... really strange.

[liberal N proud]

48. The parallels are not so weird when you look at who is involved

Cheney, Rummy and Wolfie among others that have been waiting since the Nixon years to bring Nixon's dream full circle.

[Lucinda]

50. Maybe all the Conyers bashers will stand down for a bit now

It was really ugly the other day

[Fly by night]

51. Chenney who?

[yurbud]

52. subpoena the people who will like Plame, intel analysts who were pressured before Iraq War, etc.

[WinkyDink]

55. But, but, those Baby Boomers can't find any ways to UNITE AMERICANS!

[lonestarnot]

56. Woohoo!

:bounce: :woohoo: Dennis :yourock:

[truedelphi]

57. Followt he yellow brick road - Oh my But what does our not having a Special Prosecuter

Appointed and in place, can anyone tell me that??

[burrowowl]

59. YES! YES! YES!

And may the hearings, like during the Nixon hearings be broadcast on ABC, CBS, NBC and PBS so that everyone can watch! Everyone does not have cable!
The Writers Strike may be a very good thing!

[bjobotts]

64. How can hearings help when they ignore subpoenas or evoke state's secrets?

Executive privilege does not apply with impeachment but impeachment hearings I'm unsure about because then it is still in committee. I disagree that a house vote would have endangered house dems in red states. How does discussing and debating torture, WMD's that weren't there, spying, outing a CIA agent etc. with a VP who has only an 11% approval rating gonna jeopardize house dems? I don't buy it...but at least something is being done...hopefully...unless Conyers is just planning on burying it.

[lligrd]

66. Now, If Only We Can Get The Media To Pay Attention

and report the real news.

[Meeker Morgan]

67. Dream on folks ...

You think if you wish hard enough?

I've been hearing how impeachment is just around the corner for years now.

Remember the Downing Street minutes? Fitzmas? Everything else that was supposed to be the final nail in the coffin?

Nancy Pelosi said impeachment is off the table. And I believe her.

You can commend Kucinich and Conyers for doing the right thing against all odds, but anything else is fantasy.

Following the Nixon timetable? At this rate you'll have impeachment sometime after the next election.

[Dr Fate]

69. Forget it. The DLC/"centrist" traitors will fight DK harder than they ever DREAMED of fighting Bush.

Count on that.

[lonestarnot]

70. kick