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brainshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 05:37 PM
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According the the Christan RW - Obama is unpatriotic.
One of the writers at my blog just posted this. I don't usualy "pimp" my site's material here; however, in this case, DU is a better place to give Obama's peeps a heads-up on the email campaign targeting the Christian mailing lists.

http://brainshrub.com/content/view/43/9/">Barack Obama: No Hand on Heart During National Anthem?

I am starting to receive some interesting e-mails from some of my friends "Conservative Christians" have launched an e-mail campaign questioning Mr. Obama's patriotism.

Here are some excerpts :



Subject: Fwd: All Americans must see and need to know!

Pass to all of your contacts. "The blessing of the Lord be upon you......" Psalm 129


and...

John, Print this out and show this to Pastor Judy please. Forward it to whoever you like.


in a third e-mail:

I am not pushing my political views on anyone but I am asking you to OPEN YOUR EYES TO WHAT IS GOING ON IN OUR COUNTRY TODAY.

This guy obviously has no loyalty to anything, but possibly "ISLAM", and he wants to to the president of the United States and refuses to say the pledge of Allegiance to the country he wants to be the leader.

I say ABSOLUTELY NO. How do you feel??? These butchers have already told the citizens of the world that they are spreading ISLAM all over the world, by force if needed.

Every citizen in the US needs to read this. The word MUST get out on this @%&*A^)%@#, could not think of anything worst than what my current vocabulary is, so you just fill in what you wish.

Send to all your contacts and request they do the same.

May God Bless America.

I had heard about this but a picture is definitely worth 1000 words! God save us!!!


... http://brainshrub.com/content/view/43/9/">Full article here.

-0-

P.S. (FYI - Brainshrub.com is undergoing an overhaul due to growing pangs. Most of the content from the last four years is still being migrated from the old site. Please let me know if the page does not load properly.).
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 05:39 PM
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1. that's the thanks obama gets for giving donnie mcclurkin a starring role - ingrates nt
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 05:40 PM
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2. The answer? MORE FLAGS! GIANT FUCKING FLAG OUTFITS!
Edited on Wed Nov-07-07 05:49 PM by impeachdubya
He should drive around in an 18-wheeler painted with a big Merkin Flag, then hop out like Elvis in a big, puffy flag suit and a giant fuckin' flag hat.



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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 05:41 PM
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3. Snopes it. That is all. nt
Edited on Wed Nov-07-07 05:41 PM by blondeatlast
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 05:43 PM
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4. Whenever I get angry at certain DUers
Edited on Wed Nov-07-07 05:43 PM by Lirwin2
The RW idiots bring me back to reality.
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 05:48 PM
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5. this is an outrage!
After all we all know Jesus put his hand over his heart when he said the American national anthem. He also hated Islam!
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 05:50 PM
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6. But your flag decal won't get you into Heaven any more.......
We're already overcrowded
From your dirty little war.
Now Jesus don't like killin'
No matter what the reason's for,
And your flag decal won't get you
Into Heaven any more."

"Your Flag Decal Won't Get You Into Heaven Anymore"
© John Prine
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 05:54 PM
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7. Christian Fundamentalism is White Supremacy warmed over.
Connect the dots -- they are everywhere.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 06:06 PM
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8. Actually, all religious radicalism is pretty close to that. But funny how well the robes fit,
in the case you mention.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 06:11 PM
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9. Snopes lin--before this stuff gets posted you should always check Snopes
if you want to be taken seriously:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/anthem.asp

Please. Don't post this shit here without Snopesing it first.

Thank you.
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Zywiec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 06:17 PM
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10. Snopes says it's true.
What do you think it says:

Snopes:
Claim:
Photograph shows Barack Obama without his hand over his heart while the U.S. national anthem is being played.
Status:True

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/anthem.asp



Also, US CODE TITLE 36 > Subtitle I > Part A > CHAPTER 3 > § 301
Sec. 301. National anthem

-STATUTE-
(a) Designation. - The composition consisting of the words and
music known as the Star-Spangled Banner is the national anthem.
(b) Conduct During Playing. - During a rendition of the national
anthem
-
(1) when the flag is displayed -
(A) all present except those in uniform should stand at
attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart;

(B) men not in uniform should remove their headdress with
their right hand and hold the headdress at the left shoulder,
the hand being over the heart; and
(C) individuals in uniform should give the military salute at
the first note of the anthem and maintain that position until
the last note; and

(2) when the flag is not displayed, all present should face
toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the
flag were displayed.


http://uscode.house.gov/download/pls/36C3.txt


Just sayin'

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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 06:19 PM
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11. Yes--with a LOT of disclaimers. I read it too--ALL of it.
Edited on Wed Nov-07-07 06:24 PM by blondeatlast
This shit has got to stop here. Seriously.

You picked out a timy spot of it and copied--for the second time--the bit about the flag code.

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Zywiec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 06:31 PM
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13. Did you also read the US Code regarding conduct during the playing of the anthem? n/t
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 06:33 PM
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14. Yes, I read it when you posted it this morning. nt
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dagobert Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 06:37 PM
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15. what is your point
the importance is not why did he not have his hand over his heart etc. but the blog is showing how the Christian right is using this a an excuses to label Obama as a radical Muslim and the using guerilla warfare e-mail list. can you imagine what they will be doing to him should he get the nomination?
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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 06:31 PM
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12. My Response
A right wing cousin sent it to me, I responded:

I do believe the Flag Code says you are supposed to put your hand over your heart during the anthem. So of course, some would be incensed about Obama's failure to show proper respect (whether out of ignorance or whatver). I would say in many cases this outrage is hypocritical since the
Flag Code would also prohibit the wearing of the flag as clothing or is use for commercial purposes (which as we know, many people calling themselves patriotic do).

I have attached pictures of President Bush violating the Flag Code. I do not believe these acts have anything to do with his effectiveness as Commander-in-Chief. So why should Obama's have anything to do with his?

From what I understand about Obama, he is avoiding gestures which are all too often phony displays of patriotism and focus on true patriotic acts. How patriotic is it to wear a flag pin and support cutting Veteran's benefits? How patriotic is it to pledge allegiance to the flag and mortgage
our future to China?

Also,
Anytime some one refers to Barack Hussein Obama it smells funny. If one has concerns about Obama's fitness for the job or disagrees with his positions, that is one thing. But using his middle name as if that is some how relevant...smacks of a smear job to me. Or, as my step father said, would it matter if Obama's middle name were Washington?

I'm probably voting for Gravel in the primary.


Bush violates flag code:
http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/flagetiq.html

(third pic & sixth pic)
I couldn't get the links to work
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 06:38 PM
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16. Pay close attention to the pic, try to look past Obama. Obviously, there are flags in
several locations in the area, there are at least three different focuses.

Also, this could have been taken just before or just after the anthem was played. Richardson looks as if he's removing his hand from his heart.

Shutter speeds are thousandths of a second. This is literally a millisecond in time. We don't know what this really shows--and I'm sick of seeing "progressives" try to make it into a stink.


I'm an undecided--but I'll call BS when I see DUers falling for RW tactics.

Rise above, dammit. rise above.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 06:42 PM
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18. You sing the anthem. You cross over your heart for the pledge.
But I have to agree with the original emailer. This clearly proved Obama is a terrorist.
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dagobert Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 06:43 PM
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19. are you questioning if it happened ?
did you read the post on Brainshrub.com?

Obama did not say it was a fake picture or anything plus there is a link to http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Obama_doesnt_put_hand_over_heart_1022.html
that even has a video on the event, he did not put his hand up that is a fact not BS
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 08:26 PM
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23. No, I'm saying that it isn't necessarily all that easy. nt
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 06:42 PM
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17. Ask them to explain this one.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 08:27 PM
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24. Please don't. All that grey matter everywhere. Yuck. nt
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 06:44 PM
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20. That's insane.
I am not a huge Obama fan but I don't hold my hand over my heart for the Pledge of the Anthem. So I guess I have no loyalty either. :eyes:
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 06:52 PM
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21. Actually what difference does it make what they think??
We all know that these loud mouth members of the Christian bunch are not representive of the whole Christian movement. So if I were Obama I wouldn't let it bother me...Of course he wouldn't but he should tell tell to shut the hell up.
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Toasterlad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 07:32 PM
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22. *SIgh* All That Homophobic Pandering Down the Drain.
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