Those CHENEY DEMOCRATS!!!!

[Rosa Luxemburg]

I'm sorry but I have to say I am thoroughly disappointed with the Dem Congress leaders for not backing Kucinich.

Kucinich's argument is detailed and legally sound and is not a publicity stunt. No one will look stupid if they support him (and the constitution).

I do believe the Dem leaders will have 'egg on their faces' over this. Not to support Kucinich against Cheney is unbelievable. Everyone who votes against Kucinich is basically a 'Cheneyite'. What are they frightenend of?

The public are aware of the wrongdoings of this administration judging by the dismal approval ratings and not to take action at this stage is letting the people down and probably saving us from future doom.

[Ken Burch]

1. It's no surprise. Our "leaders" don't want to stop the war.

Our leaders don't want to change the status quo. Our leaders just want to keep things just the way they are.

There is no good reason for anyone in Pelosi's district ever to vote for her again. She stopped being a Democrat when she let this happen.

We need people with guts leading this party. Triangulation doesn't work, nuance doesn't work, acting like our principles are something to be apologized for doesn't work.

Things have to change. Our party is in mortal danger here.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

3. We are all in mortal danger if they won't do something

[rateyes]

2. Damned straight! The Democratic leadership has egg on its face...

and, it's about damned time. Maybe they will quit capitulating now to the fucking Republicans. I hope it pisses them off to no end, and they decide that testing the political winds before they decide to do the wrong thing isn't worth it.

I feel a glimmer of hope.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

5. Do they want to be labelled Cheneyites?

can you imagine in 10 years (if we are all still here!) discussing the vote on impeachment of Dick Cheney, Vice President of the United States. "but it was the Cheneyite Democrats who blocked the impeachment!

[rateyes]

8. I hear you. They better find some spines, and now. nt

[Rosa Luxemburg]

13. they were cornered

[fasttense]

4. I think the House leaders are so out of touch with the American public,

they think Impeachment of 19% approval Cheney will be looked on by the public in the same way the public looked on Clinton's Impeachment. Clinton's approval rating didn't do so badly and the public turned against Newt and company for the hypocrites they were. The politicians are fighting the last Impeachment war and not the current war. But they miscalculated the public opinion then and they have misjudged it now.

We know the difference between real crimes and trumped up charges.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

7. The whole world is at stake here

[bobthedrummer]

6. Anyone that puts partisanship over our Constitution is helping domestic enemies

of The United States of America

[Individualist]

9. The DLCers opposing Kucinich aren't frightened; they're complicit.

Let's just look at the cold, hard facts about the DLC and its record. The DLC has pushed, among other things, the war in Iraq and "free" trade policies, using bags of corporate money to buy enough Democratic votes to help Republicans make those policies a reality. They have chastised anyone who has opposed those policies as either unpatriotic or anti-business -- even as a majority of Americans now oppose the war in Iraq, oppose the DLC's business-written trade deals, and are sick of watching America's economy sold out to the highest corporate bidder. Additionally, in brazenly Orwellian fashion, the DLC has also called its extremist agenda "centrist," even though polls show the American public opposes most of their agenda, and supports much of the progressive agenda. http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0727-32.htm

The progressive movement has not just threatened this message monopoly -- it is undoing it. Through MoveOn, the rise of popular documentaries, blogs, think tanks, etc. It's not just that we talk about real values and innovative strategies. It's because we're talking, period, that the centrists feel threatened.

Hence the DLC's vicious attempts to discredit the movement. And that's what they want. They don't seek to win an argument over policy. They seek to destroy the credibility of their opponents and restore their message monopoly. http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=721

This is why the DLC is dangerous. For all their claims of supposedly wanting to help Democrats, they employ people like Marshall Wittman who specifically try to undermine the Democratic Party, even if it means he has to publicly defecate out the most rank and easily-debunkable lies. They reguarly give credence to the right wing's agenda and its worst, most unsupportable lies. They are the real force that tries to make sure this country is a one party state and that Democrats never really challenge the Republicans in a serious way. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-sirota/why-the-dlc-is-so-dangero_b_13640.html

"The Democratic Leadership Council's agenda is indistinguishable from the Republican Neoconservative agenda," http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Kucinich_DLC_agenda_undistinguishable_from_Neocon_0813.html

DLC Watch, the wicked shall not escape justice http://dlcwatch.blogspot.com

Without a doubt, the DLC is the most fundamentalist organization within the caucus, the most ideologically rigid, and the most destructive to the progressive cause.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/5/24/1712/23448

These DLC types are amazing, they really are. Their pathology is unique; they all secretly worship the guilt-by-association tactics of Lee Atwater and Karl Rove, but unlike those two, not one of them has enough balls to take being thought of as the bad guy by the general public.
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/11275627/the_low_post_democrats_walk_themselves_to_the_gallows

[Rosa Luxemburg]

11. Trouble is most of Americans have not a clue on all of this

I did happen to mention this to my neighbor over the fence today. we were talking about the housing prices etc and I said did you see that one of the Democratic congressmen has put forward something today in Congress to impeach Cheney. Her reply was 'why'

[crickets]

14. Preach it, preach it, preach it.

You have so nailed one of the biggest problems this party has.

[bvar22]

16. *

[tridim]

17. Who is she pointing at anyway?

I thought politicians were never supposed to point.

[Jacobin]

18. You are absolutely correct

Which is what makes me saddest.

[Progressive Friend]

20. DLC = Republicans inside of Democratic Party

[Dinger]

10. Who Are They?

Is there a roll call available? Cube rat here, so to speak.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

12. People should start contacting them

by then no one would want to admit to being called a 'Cheney Democrat'

[crickets]

15. Roll call link here, but it's not up yet

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2007/index.asp

I hope this is the right spot. Someone correct me if it isn't. Does anyone know how long it takes for these to be posted?

[Rosa Luxemburg]

19. Thanks - we'll await the names

my feeling is that they don't understand (or don't want to)

[Dinger]

21. Do We Have The Names Yet?

Just asking, thanks:)