Official thread # 1 Kuccinich ---impeachment resolutuon, cspan1

[rodeodance]

[rodeodance]

1. there must be 100 threads. lets talk

[rodeodance]

2. boy, am I delighted. I think

[ClayZ]

3. Wooo Hoooo K and R

[LSparkle]

4. Are they going right into the one-hour debate?

Or are they going to move on to the water bill veto override? (I'm listening to Randi and can't watch C-Span at the same time -- if they're going to the debate, then I'm bailing on Randi.)

[rodeodance]

12. Hoyer wants to Refer to House Jud. committee but Bonner seems to want to chat about it

[LSparkle]

15. Is moving it to Judiciary another way to kill it?

Sounds like Hoyer doesn't want to even SPEAK Voldemort's name on the House Floor -- he's trying every way he can think of to just sweep this under the rug ... ????

[hootinholler]

24. Yes

Pelosi can have Hoyer sit on it indefinitely, as they have been for 6 months.

-Hoot

[rucky]

5. THANK YOU!

:crazy:

[rodeodance]

9. you bet

[eShirl]

6. can anyone explain what is going on?

my head is swimming :crazy:

[rodeodance]

7. i thought i heard the announcer say this was on the prev. question.

[Gregorian]

11. I think being to refer to judiciary. Not the second, which was for a vote on that.

[Gregorian]

8. We need a Congressional scholar to explain just what is happening.

Hoyer wants to refer to judiciary committee. And I do not know what that result might be.

[kestrel91316]

41. If it goes to the Judiciary Committee, it's in Conyers' hands, right?

The question is, what would he do with it? Is he close enough to retirement that he would be willing to tell Nancy to go pound sand?

[bobthedrummer]

10. Call Congress 1-800-828-0498, 1-800-862-5530, 1-800-833-6354

[ClayZ]

25. Did it! Kick

[WritersBlock]

13. Voting "On ordering the Previous Question"

What does that mean? My C-Span feed keeps dropping.

[rodeodance]

16. the leadership does NOT know what is happening.

[rodeodance]

14. YaHOOOOOOOOOOOo

[rodeodance]

17. I have NEVER seen switching votes like this before!

[rodeodance]

18. 'dems caught FLAT-FOOTED" on this one!

[LSK]

19. this is fucking crazy

Listening to Randi with CSPAN on also.

[greiner3]

20. I'm not THAT politically savvy;

To know that the MSM will be picking this up. Millions of Americans will be hearing for the first time in their lives that Darth Vader is a cruel, and I only say this sparingly, and evil person, is a bad thing. Using my way back machine to go to 1996 or so, to Clinton's problems, I remember thinking that if that was the only thing republicans were getting him on was the blow job, I knew Bill was going to be safe.

[rodeodance]

22. if this votes succeeds then they move onto debate?--is that what they said?

[rodeodance]

21. says Dems might do an Ajourn motion.

[rucky]

23. Kickety

[pinto]

26. As I understand it, this is a procedural vote to vote on Hoyer's motion

to refer Kucinich's impeachment resolution to the Judicuary Committee. Parliamentary maneuvers.

It has passed and there will be a 5 minute vote to refer.

[rodeodance]

27. YES NOW-5 min vote to Ref to JUD committee *made by HOYER

[underpants]

31. I thought they just voted on that

:shrug: and it passed :shrug:

[pinto]

33. And if I get the rules right, Kucinich's request for privilege stands.

Allowing a one hour debate and vote. :shrug:

[LSK]

28. wasnt the previous vote to move it to committee?

whats this then?

[pinto]

36. No it was an agreement to record votes to consider Hoyer's motion.

Now, they're voting (5 minutes) on the actual motion.

Convoluted, but it's how they work.

[WilyWondr]

29. Has any1 seen/heard Speaker Pelosi today?

:shrug:


Or did Dennis plan this for when she was out of town?

[me b zola]

30. Does anyone have the roll call of the motion to table?

I want to see how many Dems stood up for Dennis and the rule of law.

[OneGrassRoot]

32. I love you, rodeodance. Was about to do the same.

Now I'm going to read through this thread and pray someone has summarized it nicely for we cube rats, in easy-to-understand words. lol

[rodeodance]

35. first Hoyer motioned to table it but failed (Repugs SURPRIzed all), then Hoyer motioned

to send to committee (vote now).

[rodeodance]

40. Right in the middle of the To table it vote, Repugs suddenly started switing their vote

[rodeodance]

34. how embaressing!! Dems do NOT want debate but all Repugs voting for debate

[LSK]

37. well it would be a debate of a few hours versus hearings for days and days

IF I think that is what the options are. Not 100% sure what the options are yet.

[rodeodance]

38. Dems need simple majority -218 to send to Judiciary committee (Hoyer wants it there)

[kestrel91316]

45. We WANT hearings, not just a quick debate and vote and it's over.

[bdamomma]

39. hey guys, Boehner is trying to set up the Dems for a fall on this

to intimidate us, what do you guys think I hope Dennis is ready for the fight, because they (repigs) will drag in him in the mud over this. They are that sneaky.

[OzarkDem]

42. Dennis is very tough

he doesn't back down.

[debbierlus]

44. I am hopeful - the people are STARVING for this fight - I think they made a HUGE mistake

The dems now can say the REPUBLICANS put impeachment on the table - NOT them -

And, this will give momentum to a mass public outcry to impeach the MOTHER FUCKER

I think this might just have legs.

[bdamomma]

55. this is great, only if the Dems stay strong, and will not let those

disgusting repigs put a guilt trip on us.

[madokie]

46. I don't think that is a problem with Dennis

he seems to be solid good people not a hypocrite at all

[rucky]

48. It's the Dems' to lose.

they can either back Dennis up, or throw us all under the bus.

[rodeodance]

43. 218-194 MOTION is adoped. NOW a motion to reconsider is laid on the table

[Mojorabbit]

47. What is a motion to reconsider? eom

[rodeodance]

49. Topic subject COMMITTEE HERE WE COME, ITS MOVING ON!!!

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Topic subject COMMITTEE HERE WE COME, ITS MOVING ON!!!
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2220219#2220219
2220219, COMMITTEE HERE WE COME, ITS MOVING ON!!!
Posted by LSK on Tue Nov-06-07 03:32 PM

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51. Topic subject MR. CONYERS, THE BALL IS IN YOUR COURT!

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Topic subject MR. CONYERS, THE BALL IS IN YOUR COURT!
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2220278, MR. CONYERS, THE BALL IS IN YOUR COURT!
Posted by rateyes on Tue Nov-06-07 03:34 PM

It's time to put your money where your mouth is.

Let's put on the full court press. Let Congressman Conyers know that we won't tolerate the dragging of his feet on H.R. 333. The whole house authorized the Committee to investigate. NOW INVESTIGATE, DAMMIT!!

[rodeodance]

54. Topic subject GOP forces debate on Cheney impeachment

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Topic subject GOP forces debate on Cheney impeachment
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3056481, GOP forces debate on Cheney impeachment
Posted by fed-up on Tue Nov-06-07 03:33 PM

Source: San Jose Mercury News

GOP forces debate on Cheney impeachment
By JIM ABRAMS Associated Press Writer
Article Launched: 11/06/2007 01:15:21 PM PST

WASHINGTON—House Republicans, changing course midway through a vote, tried to force Democrats into a debate on a resolution to impeach Vice President Dick Cheney on the grounds he purposely led the country into war against Iraq.

The GOP tactics reversed what had been expected to an overwhelming vote to table, or kill, the resolution by longshot Democratic presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich.

Midway through the vote, with instructions from the GOP leadership, Republicans one by one changed their votes from yes—to kill the resolution—to no, trying to force the chamber into a debate and an up-or-down vote on the proposal.

At one point there were 290 votes to table. After the turnaround, the final vote was 251-162 against tabling, with 165 Republicans voting against it.

"We're going to help them out, to explain themselves," said Rep. Pete Sessions, R-Texas. "We're going to give them their day in court."

Read more: http://www.mercurynews.com/politics/ci_7385887?nclick_check=1


What a misleading headline...

I would like to see a complete record of the votes and the switches.

Where is the Headline credit for Kucinich???

[rodeodance]

Topic subject THE US HOUSE JUST VOTED TO MOVE IT TO COMMITTEE

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Topic subject THE US HOUSE JUST VOTED TO MOVE IT TO COMMITTEE
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2220219, THE US HOUSE JUST VOTED TO MOVE IT TO COMMITTEE
Posted by LSK on Tue Nov-06-07 03:32 PM

Think about the magnitude of that.

[rodeodance]

57. Topic subject Conyers Throws Cold Water on Cheney Impeachment Drive

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Topic subject Conyers Throws Cold Water on Cheney Impeachment Drive
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2220417, Conyers Throws Cold Water on Cheney Impeachment Drive
Posted by CorpGovActivist on Tue Nov-06-07 03:42 PM

I was a little bit surprised to see this from Chairman Conyers...

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Cheney impeachment ready for a vote: To table it
by Matthew Hay Brown

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House Judiciary Committee Chairman John Conyers, whose panel has jurisdiction over impeachment proceedings, has described the impeachment effort as a potential disruption.

"If the speaker were to let this thing out of the box, considering the number of legislative issues we have pending," the Michigan Democrat told Fox News, "it could create a split that could affect our productivity for the rest of the Congress."

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2007/11/cheney_impeachment_ready_for_a.html
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... has his thinking changed, or is impeachment still on the table for him?

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=conyers+impeachment+table

- Dave

[sampsonblk]

50. Committee: we'll never hear a thing about it again...

Just my guess. I don't think it will move in committee. Its going to sit where and collect dust, so to speak.

[spanone]

52. when cheney is up for war crimes they will blame pelosi for not bringing it out of committee

[rucky]

53. Conyers is the chair of the committee.

And Maxine Waters and Sheila Jackson-Lee are on it, FWIW.

I don't know much about the rest of the dems:

http://judiciary.house.gov/CommitteeMembership.aspx

[sampsonblk]

59. Its a lot to ask of Conyers

Now Conyers' committee gets the hot potato. Once its been rejected by the party on the House floor, its kinda hard to ask one man - Conyers - to keep it alive.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

56. This has put Dennis on the map (and we might get back our country yet)

this is a milestone 11/6/07

[rodeodance]

58. Topic subject The Hill: Republicans keep Cheney impeachment bill alive

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Topic subject The Hill: Republicans keep Cheney impeachment bill alive
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2220472, The Hill: Republicans keep Cheney impeachment bill alive
Posted by Synnical on Tue Nov-06-07 03:45 PM

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/republicans-keep-cheney-impeachment-bill-alive-2007-11-06.html

By Jonathan E. Kaplan | Posted: 11/6/07 4:35 p.m.
November 06, 2007
House Republicans on Tuesday prevented Democratic leaders from blocking a resolution to impeach Vice President Dick Cheney.

The vote to table the privileged resolution, offered by Ohio Democrat Dennis Kucinch, began as a largely party-line vote to kill the measure, but Republicans developed a strategy to force Democrats to debate the resolution by supporting Kucinich. GOP leaders felt as though it was in their interest to debate the measure because it would make Democrats look bad.

After more than an hour of waiting for the vote to close, the motion to table the resolution failed by a vote of 162-251 after Democratic leaders failed to convince a group of liberal caucus members to side with them.

Republican lawmakers and aides credited Rep. John Shadegg (R-Ariz.) for coming up with the idea.

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