Currently: HR 333 TABLING MOTION - 'Nays' Have It (170 - 242)

[Hissyspit]

22 Not Voted

Unofficial - not called.

[MrCoffee]

1. 72 Republicans voted not to table...they deserve our thanks

[Eurobabe]

18. Do we have a list of these Republicans?

I'd like to thank them for keeping the heat on DeadEye.

[LynneSin]

26. You're fucking kidding me right?

They want the dems to get themselves into the same exact mess they had back in 1996.

Thank them for what - they couldn't give 2 shits about the constitution. They're playing a game of chickenshit to see how far we'd actually go with this impeachment.

[Eurobabe]

68. Yeah I was kidding. Jesus Lynne!

[robinlynne]

2. wow. 51 republicans are more liberal than the majority of elected dems.

[MrCoffee]

4. not necessarily "more liberal"...R's can respect the Constitution, too

i know it's hard to believe, but they can.

[robinlynne]

8. I thought of saying it in those terms, but I wanted to say it the way i did because of

all the screaming on DU about how great the party is. I think it is very telling that that many Democrats voted to the right of that many Republicans!!!!

[lpbk2713]

50. You're right.

It's hard to believe.

[Virginia Dare]

5. Or maybe they realize Cheney is poison to the party right now...n/t

[LynneSin]

13. Or maybe the repukes remember how unpopular they became in 1996

and hope to utilize that with regaining the house & senate

[Virginia Dare]

24. Possible..

I suspect they know that there will be a lot of very shall we say "unfavorable" information about the Bush/Cheney administration drip dropping out over the next year.

[LynneSin]

10. Perhaps the republicans know what impeachment cost them and was hoping the dems would dig that hole

I want this impeachment but I have to agree some with what Hoyer said. There are so many other critical things that need done that impeachment will only take away from more important issues including the war and children's healthcare.

I highly doubt these republicans were more 'liberal' then the democrats who voted to table. I think those repukes wanted to see the democrats become so consumed with the impeachment that everything else gets tabled, gets forgotten and ultimately might help the republicans gain ground in 2008.

[Amonester]

38. bad news is, without impeachment, there not only will be more ...

unnecessary (and more destructive for the country) wars, there won't be more children's healtcare (among with less of many other "important" issues, like, for example, less heating oil for the poor this winter, etc.).

How will "less of all the important issues" ever help the republics gain ground? (or the dems also, at this point?)
.

[LynneSin]

48. You realized Clinton was impeached and never left office

That's what we'll have with Bush - a hand slap and back to business

[robinlynne]

54. NO. Impeachment gets the facts out. It is the ONLY weapon stronger than

executive priviledge. Well there ar other weapons, but obviously Pelosi and Hoyer will not let them be used.
for example: not letting certain votes happen in the house.

[LynneSin]

55. We can do that without impeachment

If all we want to do is get the facts out then why impeach?

[robinlynne]

57. NO WE CANt. They are ignoring subpoenas and getting away with murder.

[Amonester]

58. Let the incriminating facts get reported on the major networks first.

And let them try to spin them until the 91% who already can't fathom the dick SCREAM for impeaching his a**.

Next step is: just watch the republics just try to save the a-hole... that will "help" 'em get re-elected for sure... :sarcasm:

[robinlynne]

59. They have used "presidential perogative in a time of war" to not let anything out.

[riverdeep]

62. You realize Nixon was impeached and did. n/t

[Richardo]

63. Think again.

He resigned before he could be impeached.

[riverdeep]

67. My bad, I had a brain event.

The point still stands, impeachment is not always detrimental to the party proposing it.

[MonkeyFunk]

65. Nixon wasn't impeached

[ronnykmarshall]

66. He was?

Who knew?

[KingFlorez]

11. It's a stunt

They aren't liberal by any means.

[MrCoffee]

19. it's a stunt that's going to work like a charm...we handed them what they desperately needed

distance from the WH.

Nancy Pelosi is a fucking idiot.

[KingFlorez]

29. How is it going to work?

It clearly is a stunt and counts for nothing since most people know they'd never support impeachment. They are still in lockstep with the White House.

[Virginia Dare]

31. It'll take a lot more than that..

to get the kind of distance they need from this white house.

[MrCoffee]

36. a roll call vote on impeaching the VP is a good start, wouldn't you say

[Virginia Dare]

41. Voting to override the idiot king's vetoes would be a good start..

something they'll never do.

[LynneSin]

43. Now sign me up for that team

Seriously - we need to be fighting more for S-Chips

[LynneSin]

33. How is she the idiot - she knew this was going to happen

We don't have the senate count to actually remove Bush and we know that impeachment will takeover the entire congress 24X7 getting even LESS done then what is happening now. Half the problem with Congress is Bush is (or threatening) to Veto just about anything the Dems passed.

[derby378]

3. 149 House Democrats need to have their asses handed to them in 2008

That means we have a world of work to do...

[LynneSin]

20. Oh BULLSHIT!!!

And how much more work will we have to do when we give the congress back to the republicans?

I know this is a disappointment but those republicans could care less about the impeachment. Those republicans voting for it WANT the democrats to shoot themselves in the foot just like they did back in 1996.

I'm torn about this whole impeachment issue because I know Bush is a crook but I also know that 2 years was not enough time to get an impeachment going because impeachments will consume so much time (and result in nothing more than a hand slap because we don't have the count in the Senate) that we'll get nothing else accomplished (not that we have gotten much done since Bush remembered he can veto).

[robinlynne]

28. They have CONGRESS now. Can't you see that? Mukasey is going to the senate floor

for a vote. The republicans won. bigtime. Mukasey will see to it that no republicans are prosecuted.

[LynneSin]

42. I have no clue what to say about Mukasey but then again Feingold set that precident back in 2001

when he gave Ashcroft to Bush.

(you can look that one up - Feingold's "The pResident deserves to have the congress he wants bullshit")

I'm not sure who I'm more pissed at - Kucinich (who does mean really well about all of this) or Hoyer for tabling it thus giving repukes a chance to say "Look ma, we said we could have an impeachment hearing"

Had we got congress back in 2004 impeachment would have been much more feasible, but I knew the moment we won congress that this was going to be a big sticking point that would potentially shoot us in the foot.

[KingFlorez]

39. What nonsense

They voted against it because it would end in a political disaster and Cheney would still be in office.

[derby378]

44. Well, Cheney is STILL in office...

Nothing ventured, nothing gained. More waterboarding, please!

[d_b]

6. This is absolutely sickening.

[Bluzmann57]

7. Sonofabitch!

Well, we must keep the pressure on our, and I stress OUR Reps to bring this up again for debate. These so and so's are supposed to represent the people in their district and let's not let them forget it.
I just got off the phone with Braley's local office, and she said she "didn't know how Bruce was voting" on this. I told her that no matter what, me and others would keep pressure on him to support HR 333 if it ever comes up again.

[acmavm]

15. I don't think we really have any reps anymore. The only real

patriot is Dennis Kucinich as far as that goes. The rest are a bunch of enabling gasbags.

[crickets]

60. I kept getting the same answer from reps in my state

Isn't it amazing, that on such an important issue, they have no answer? If someone were to ask about any other pending issue, there probably would be a statement of position all ready to go. This is so important, and they can't take a stand, even to admit they won't support it. It's insane.

[Bozita]

9. D-68, R-78 ---- More Repugs than Dems

disgusting!

[LynneSin]

12. Disgusting how - the republicans are hoping that we'll suffer the same losses

as they did when they tried to impeach Clinton. That impeachment back fired and we made major gains in the house & senate in 1998.

[robinlynne]

21. Why do you even compare an impeachment for crimes agaisnt humanity with an impeachment for

a blow job. There is no comparison.

[Virginia Dare]

37. As I recall, people were much more outraged over the blowjob..

courtesy of the media fanfare that accompanied the whole thing.

[LynneSin]

46. Of course there isn't but do you think the Media will play it that way?

They'll go 24x7 about how the democrats are obstructionists while important votes lose momentum because of the impeachment.

What you and I, as people with some knowledge in politics, believe is a world of difference from Joe & Jane Schmoe who cares more who wins Dancing with the American Idol Survivor Top Models

[robinlynne]

53. The MSM said there were weapons of mass destruction. the MSM lies.

You cannot give something up because someone will say nasty things about you. Someone will always disagree with you, no matter what you are doing. You have to do what is right. If the republicans scream and shout, that is a sign that we are doing the right thing, not the wrong thing.

It is a misconception that we should "play nice" in order to avoid backlash. That particular way of thinking is why we are in the mess we are in. Bush/Cheney keep taking just a little bit more. There is not much left to take. Playing nice did not help ever, in these past 7 years.

[Ghost in the Machine]

49. The republikkans suffered losses because the PEOPLE KNEW it was a bullshit

impeachment brought against Clinton for lying about a PERSONAL MATTER. Every one of them knew in their hearts that if *they* were cheating on *their* spouse and someone asked them about it, they'd LIE about it at first too.

This is a totally different situation now, there are REAL CRIMES that have been committed by this misadministration. REAL FREAKING CRIMES...

*Big* difference... the ONLY ones that will lose next time around will be the dems... all because they DIDN'T impeach...

[Le Taz Hot]

52. Jaysus!

THANK you!!!!! Finally, some logic here!

[Ghost in the Machine]

56. Thank you... I *do* have a few lucid moments now & then....

but in all honesty, that's exactly what happened. The people know more than we're given credit for sometimes.. WAY MORE....

[crickets]

61. EXACTLY! -nt

[riverdeep]

64. Yes, and the next presidential election cycle,

they gained the white house, and congress (before Jeffords). Al Gore became a laughing stock to the public, at the time, and the mere mention of the Clinton name still sends the right's base into a fit of unthinking rage. Backfired?

[Bozita]

14. now it's 67 Dems -- one of the bastards changed his vote

[warren pease]

16. Do you have a link to identify the guilty? n/t

[Zywiec]

17. The count keeps changing.

What a bunch of gutless wonders.

[aikoaiko]

22. Just political theater where everyone gets something out of it, but nothing changes.

[SeattleGirl]

23. 96 Republicans voting NO?????

And only 69 Democrats???

What the fuck????

[flvegan]

25. 101 Repubs - Nay, 91 - Yay Currently

[SeattleGirl]

27. Holy shit, the Republican Nay vote keeps going up.

:wow:

[NewJeffCT]

34. They're hoping to embarrass the Democrats

by forcing a vote on this issue.

[rocktivity]

30. Can it be re-introduce?

:shrug:
rocknation

[Yael]

32. (R)s WANT this to hit the floor. They know they can beat it

and if they can't.

They also think it will backfire on Dems regardless.

[Hissyspit]

35. Yes. That's their thinking.

Most of the nay voters anyway.

[iamthebandfanman]

40. The saddest thing ive ever seen!

how disgraceful!
SHAME ON YOU DEMOCRATS WHO VOTED YEA!
SHAME!

I hope they know theyve awoken the liberal giant and are going to pay for it with their jobs!
we dont care how long youve been there, youre a target!

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