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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 02:51 PM
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Predictions only - who do you think the Democratic Ticket will be
Not who you want it to be, nor why you don't like who it might be or might not...

Simply play Nostradamus and maybe say why.

OK...my turn - it's going to be Clinton/Richardson.

Obama's camp and Clinton's camp are different sides of the DNC. Clark has that look as if he's not running again. Clinton is probably considering Edwards, but has a bad taste in her mouth from 2004 (and unfarily so). Lieberman, well if that happens stick a fork in our ass, we're done.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 02:52 PM
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1. gore / edwards
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ruiner4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 02:52 PM
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2. Gore/Colbert
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 02:53 PM
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3. There will be no elections
:-)

Sorry... but now that bush is gonna rule by fiat... nope, no elections are in the future

You do not amass this power to let it go
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 02:54 PM
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7. Great beard of Zeus I hope you're wrong
But that doesn't make it any less likely
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 03:05 PM
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19. Trust me I hope I am wrong too
but all of this is predictive... even the kabuki theater

;-)
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ourbluenation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 06:58 PM
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105. Great Odin's Raven I hope you're wrong too.
Edited on Tue Nov-06-07 06:59 PM by ourbluenation
at any rate, I'm going with Clinton/Bayh. wth.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 11:45 PM
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82. or at least not a legit election. more of the same bs.
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Al Federfer Donating Member (214 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 09:42 AM
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86. You could be right. n/t
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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 02:53 PM
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Hillary/_(insert lapdog name here)___
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 03:09 PM
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23. Doink
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GodlessBiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 02:53 PM
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4. Clinton/Richardson
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 09:52 AM
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95. I think Wesley Clark or Richardson will be Sec of State under Clinton...n/t
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Yupster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 10:38 AM
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100. I second that
Clinton/ Richardson
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 02:53 PM
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5. As much as I hate to say it I think Hillary will be the nominee: Clinton/Clark
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etherealtruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 07:33 PM
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114. That would be my prediction, as well
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RufusTFirefly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 02:53 PM
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6. Exxon/Verizon n/t
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ruiner4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 02:56 PM
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8. Halliburton/OPEC
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 02:59 PM
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12. They've already had their eight-year run
Term limits don't ya know.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 02:56 PM
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9. Well, I really dunno yet. But assuming your ticket prevails, I'd have to
say Richardson didn't hurt himself at this last debate, either. He was the only one who said "Hey, enough!" He'd need to be vetted as to his personal life, though. Put any pesky rumors to rest.

Bayh has been shopped around, too. As have others.

Lieberman is no longer a Democrat. Clinton wouldn't pick him, even if he were, though, because he's been tagged with that LOSERMAN meme, from both sides of the fence. Plus, she's running right, but she is ideologically well left of Holy Joe.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 02:58 PM
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10. Thing about Bayh is he's eerily close to Lieberman on issues
And I think Clinton is going to want to keep the base from straying. She's going to have to.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 06:31 PM
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64. Well, there are two things that keep his name in the air, really
Mmmmmm, maybe more than two:

1. He's a TABULA RASA--no one knows jackshit about him on the national level (save us, perhaps! And maybe his constituents!!). This can be good if you don't have TOO much to hide.

2. He's pleasant in appearance--won't frighten the children. Not huge and hulky, either, which wouldn't make for a good image on stage with the principal (they DO think of this stuff--it's not a dealmaker, but it could be a dealbreaker with two equally-qualified candidates to pick from)

3. Nice wife. Always helps. Savvy. Would know what she was in for.

4. Comes from a political family that still has deep reach.

5. He has presidential aspirations, but I think he's too lazy to do the hard slogging to get his name out there, or something. It is hard to break through, especially when the incumbent is from the other team. He thought about running awhile back and then blew it off. This would be a way to ride the elevator to the top, assuming he did a good job for eight years and assuming the Clinton administration was popular--of course, I'm reading this and thinking--that's a boatload of "ifs" there!!!

He is on the conservative end of the party, but he's no fool--he'd do what the boss said IF he wanted the gig. He'd have to know that there would be another individual in line to see the boss ahead of him--her husband, and he'd have to, early on, carve out his role and go at it with a vengeance. He'd need a few peaches and plums, too, to keep him happy and interested. He wouldn't want to spend eight years going to funerals...
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 07:27 PM
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65. True - Gore was from the conservative end of the party
He used to be anti-abortion, and Tipper ran the PMRC. People change.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 08:04 PM
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69. If he's not prochoice, no deal. n/t
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 09:01 PM
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79. That's a parsable platform item. Really. Look at George H. W. Bush.
He was for choice before he suddenly flipped to the anti-abortion side of things upon getting the nod from Reagan.

Funny how that happens.

Everyone KNEW he hadn't "really" changed his stance (Old 'Bar' did an interview where she said she disagreed with her husband on the matter, and that, in essence, 'signaled' to the prochoice GOP that Bush wasn't gonna get all fundy on them). He was just being politically expedient.

Sometimes, it's useful to have opposing views on a ticket, especially for matters that aren't earth-shaking, need lengthy legislative/judicial intervention to move the ball forward, and are unlikely to turn on a dime.

If everything else were hunky dory, it could be made to work. It's up to the candidate.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 09:36 AM
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83. Well, I won't get too much into it here, but I think a strong argument can be made
to defend Roe against these constant, and insulting, attacks. Which are really attacks on women. Socalled partial birth abortion affected a tiny percentage of all abortions so politicians felt they could get away with voting for its ban. But some women and their families will no doubt suffer, all the while leaving Roe a shell of its former self. My granddaughters could be affected so I am vigilant for them. You never know down the line when a loved one can be affected by a vote in Congress, or all of us with the pick of a SC justice...
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 05:53 PM
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102. I understand and appreciate your point. Completely.
I simply think the idea in some quarters, frankly, is to give lip service to the anti-abortion concept, to keep the fundies from getting riled and whipping up their voter turnout.

There's really not much that can be done to secure the "established law" of Roe until we get a real, as opposed to rubberstamp, Supreme Court. It's pathetic to have to say that, but there it is.

That's why I think that some cadres of the party are working just to keep the whole issue tamped down, and not give those bozos any excuse. And that could play into a running mate choice, too--it's not likely, it probably won't/might not, but could.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 07:32 PM
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113. Thank you for your caring response.
Why do we have to give up in sacrifice those women who, through no choice of their own, have a pregnancy that threaten their health and/or their future pregnancies, due to a freak problem of pregnancy?

Say what anyone will about Bill Clinton, he had the decency to veto the first anti socalled partial birth abortion bill in Congress and held a press conference with women of faith who had desperately wanted their babies but whose pregnancies posed significant health/future fertility risks for them. They told their stories and were poignant and genuine.

One by one, and because it is so easy, antichoicers have been weakening Roe. Make no mistake, these people know what they are doing. They are writing bills and Supreme Court briefs, to decimate our right to choice. It is deliberate. They were counting on us to fold on PBA because "it can't happen to us." And it seems they were right. We did, and do, fold.

That is what worries me.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 08:49 PM
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76. Bayh is a conservative
not helpful and not needed in an election year when voters are tired of conservatives and want new ideas.
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 09:15 PM
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125. So is Hillary.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 02:59 PM
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11. Unfortunately, it will likely be the usual "not too liberal" candidate.
As usual.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 02:59 PM
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13. Clinton/Richardson!
Edited on Mon Nov-05-07 03:10 PM by MethuenProgressive
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 03:01 PM
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15. No bashing
I'm trying to keep this from turning into a hatefest

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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 03:08 PM
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21. --
Edited on Mon Nov-05-07 03:11 PM by MethuenProgressive
:shrug:
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 03:09 PM
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22. You're right
I should have doinked that one too

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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 03:01 PM
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14. Here's my predictions on '08 as it stands today:
Clinton/Clark vs. Giuliani/McCain vs. Bloomberg/Hagel. I think Hillary will be the nominee and choose Clark to go against McCain in terms of military experience. I think Rudy will be the GOP nominee, and he's good friends with McCain, who is still apparently popular with Independents--and they are twin neocon hawks. I think Bloomberg will probably run (signs point to it), and will pick Hagel as VP for foreign policy/military experience and Midwestern appeal. I think Clinton/Clark will win, as Bloomberg/Hagel will pull more from GOPers.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 03:05 PM
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18. Thing about Clark is - he saw what happened to his friend Kerry in 06
A war hero kicked on all sides from everyone. Someone who was not only truly qualified for the job, but also had a spine (there were other issues that brought Kerry down, but the man had a spine) A man too smart to be President.

And he probably thought "fuck this! I didn't get shot in Nam, put everything on the line for my country for THIS!"

Richardson likes the heat - he and Clinton, say what you will about them, do better under pressure. I'm still scratching my head at Clinton during the last debate. This is usually where she owns.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 03:11 PM
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25. I think the opposite of you on Richardson--he folds like a card table
under pressure--he comes off poorly at debates. No charisma--though a good and competent guy. He's a worker bee, a good deputy, but I don't think Hillary will risk it with him. Clark, on the other hand, does have some charisma and leadership skills, although he's not that skilled as a campaigner--his one real drawback. But I think she'll chance it--he's not too gaffe-prone, and looks good on TV. And he has more military credentials than Kerry, who had real problems selling himself as a war hero--I don't think the swiftboaters will be as much a concern against Clark as they were against Kerry.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 08:08 PM
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70. I agree. Why oh why don't we remember that war hero Kerry was also an antiwar protestor?
That turned the military and veterans against him so vociferously. Not so with Clark, so he will have a much smoother path.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 08:03 PM
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116. The problem with your analysis is that Clark was never involved in anti-Vietnam war activities
unlike Kerry. THAT was what sank his campaign rhetoric about being a war veteran/hero. Clark can be sandbagged by other things, of course, but not in the same way as Kerry.
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MrModerate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 03:13 PM
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27. Interesting -- but I don't think Bloomberg is going to run any more than . . .
Gore is.

Clinton/Clark is a possibility, I just don't think Clark is really on the radar now, so I'm thinking Clinton/Obama (yeah, he'd have to eat some crow). But it would sure as heck set him up for 2016!

I'd jump for joy if the 'Licans put up Giuliani/McCain: Mr. Phony 9/11 plus the Ancient Complainer? The 'Licans'd be lucky to take 15 states -- and small ones at that.

Black box voting is the only thing that'd save the 'Licans with that lineup. And if they BBV *this* one, they'd be . . . let's say . . . "prevented from taking office."
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 03:19 PM
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32. Check out this thread/article on Bloomberg--Newsweek is giving him
a lot of (fawning, positive) ink, for a non-candidate:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=2207109&mesg_id=2207109

They're setting him up as a real possibility, and presenting him as Presidential. I think DUers are burying their heads in the sand on Bloomberg--he's got the money, ambition and ego. Giuliani/McCain might be tough, because they both have appeal to Indies, and might even appeal to some Dems who haven't kept up with politics since 2001, when both were still sort of heroic.
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MrModerate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 03:28 PM
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38. I'd expect rumblings from Bloomberg (the iceberg breaking up perhaps) . . .
If he were moving that way. I haven't heard a peep. Newsweek is birdcage liner just one tick above US News & World Report. If I hear something from other sources, I might think about getting worried, even though I think just about any third party would kill the 'Licans and not the Dems.

Giuliani/McCain *might* be tough, but wider exposure of their basic odiousness as human beings (Rudy in particular) will turn off the indies who might otherwise vote for them, and much of the 'Lican base will just stay home on election day.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 03:37 PM
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44. He's starting to make peeps and rumblings:
Edited on Mon Nov-05-07 03:39 PM by wienerdoggie
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071031/ap_on_el_pr/giuliani_vs__bloomberg

I take him seriously--I think he's been planning to run for a long time, and he won't have to kick into high gear until mid-winter. He timed his switch to an Independent (last June) carefully, and he's starting to act like a candidate and get back into the press after denying and laying low for a few months. I agree with you, I think GOPers are less satisfied, and will jump third-party sooner than Dems. As far as Rudy/McCain, if you're counting on people recognizing basic odiousness, you must have missed the last 7 years! :-)
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 07:59 PM
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115. Be still my beating heart for your prediction!
However, I think Bloomberg is a real smart guy. Do you really think he will risk all that money, time and prestige on a Perot-style disaster? Maybe I'm wrong and his ego is so massive he can't see the obvious landmines on the way, but whoa!
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 03:02 PM
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16. Clinton / Lieberman. n/t
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 09:00 PM
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123. Well, this is a dishonest post.
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 03:03 PM
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17. Edwards/Biden or Edwards/Dodd
Edited on Mon Nov-05-07 03:07 PM by MrCoffee
when Edwards wins either Iowa or New Hampshire, followed by South Carolina, Clinton or Obama will fall off the map.

Edwards takes enough states on Super Tuesday to force whichever didn't drop out already to give up.

He'll then offer VPOTUS to one of the two other Senators.
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MrModerate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 03:15 PM
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29. It's a pretty volatile situation, all right . . .
But not *that* volatile. Edwards is down for the count.
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 03:18 PM
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31. i'm not so sure...last polls i saw from IA and NH looked far closer than the national #s
Edited on Mon Nov-05-07 03:23 PM by MrCoffee
Edited to add that the last IA and NH polls i saw were about 3 weeks ago.
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MrModerate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 03:30 PM
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40. Could be -- it's going to be a long 8 weeks or so . . .
But I think I've been seeing the flop sweat on Mr. Edwards' brow of late. 2008 is his last chance, and he knows it -- and that knowledge has put him off his game.
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Alcibiades Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 03:07 PM
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20. Clinton/Lieberman
It's meant to be.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 03:22 PM
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34. LOL! Maybe in hell.
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Alcibiades Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 03:42 PM
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47. It's what the media has already decided.
To paraphrase Colbert.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 03:49 PM
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49. Well, I was just referring to the Lieberman part with the "hell" comment--
I am not opposed to Hillary. And it already had been decided, you're right.
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CANDO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 03:11 PM
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24. If it includes a Clinton, I'm not voting.
Why waste my vote when it will be a Republican either way. Flame away. At least I'll respect myself afterwords.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 03:14 PM
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28. nope. not gonna flame
and I have no predictions. But I will vote for the dem nominee, and I'll still respect myself too.
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MrModerate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 03:18 PM
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30. I'll avoid the obvious opportunity to flame and just say this . . .
Nader voters were too fastidious to vote for a dem and look what that got us.

Dems are highly imperfect, but you'd prefer four more years of 'Lican rule?
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CANDO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 04:56 PM
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101. I wasn't a Nader voter.
And I'm aware of SCOTUS ramifications. Why does there seem to be blinders for Hillary supporters? She barely beats the Rep. nominee, while Edwards or Gore if he should run would blow them away. So why the headlong dive for Hillary when she's a Republican just like her husband? For God's sake, Bill Clinton was to the right of both Nixon and Eisenhower and we want to go with another?
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MrModerate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 10:23 PM
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127. I am far from sure that Gore or Edwards could blow 'Lican nominees away . . .
Edited on Tue Nov-06-07 10:25 PM by MrModerate
I happen to think that the 'Lican field is sooooo weak, that just about any candidate dems could unite behind is likely to win (black box voting notwithstanding), which certainly includes Gore, Edwards, Obama, and Biden (along with Clinton).

But we'd better unite behind someone, and that someone had better be the preference of a sufficient percentage of the electorate to prevent inevitable 'Lican vote fraud mechanisms from succeeding. I'm talking 55-60% of popular vote, translating into 75%+ electoral vote. That's the margin we'll need to ensure the presidency isn't stolen for the third time in a row.

Clinton does rub me the wrong way upon occasion -- the whole dem leadership rubs me the wrong way upon occasion, but I wouldn't trade 'em for the 'Lican leadership. And no, I don't consider Clinton II (or Clinton I, for that matter) to be Republican. That's a gross exaggeration. I do tend to believe she's the most electable of the Dem field, and for that reason should be taken seriously.

And all progressives *must* vote, or risk a Rudy, or a Mitt, or a John, or a Fred presidency, which is a clear recipe for compounding the disaster we find our country in.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 03:24 PM
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35. SCOTUS. Only word to keep in mind.
Edited on Mon Nov-05-07 03:24 PM by wienerdoggie
(well, acronym)
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 04:37 PM
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60. You beat me to it! :)
SCOTUS. SCOTUS. SCOTUS.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 03:11 PM
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26. Graft/Corruption
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 03:22 PM
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33. At this early point, I have no clue, and therefore no prediction.
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regularguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 03:26 PM
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36. Clinton/ someone-with-a- southern-accent. Maybe Clark.
I hope I'm wrong. (about the Clinton part)
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 03:26 PM
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37. Edwards/Obama.
Hopefully not:

Free Trader War Corporatist/Lackey Happy to Ride Coattails.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 03:29 PM
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39. Clinton/Clarke/Richardson
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 10:17 AM
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99. If you mean Richard Clarke, he is with Obama
not Clinton and as he was in government in the 1990s - it is telling that he is not working with Clinton.

(If you meant Clark, my apologies - I am an awful speller and would not call some one on spelling - as written it is ambiguous.) All 3 do a reasonable job in shoring up the tickets national security credentials.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 03:30 PM
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41. COLBERT / KRISTOL!
:patriot:
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 03:30 PM
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42. Doesn't matter
Someone's gonna throw a shit fit either way.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 09:51 AM
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93. brilliant.
you are always spot on
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 03:33 PM
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43. Clinton / Richardson
I agree with you. It's not what I'd pick, but if I were to bet I'd say Hillary gets the nomination, and I have a hard time thinking of why she wouldn't want Richardson as her running mate.

Frankly, while I lean toward Obama for President, I wouldn't want him to be on her ticket. Not out of spite, but because two Senators, both from IL, aren't a recipe for success in the general election.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 03:40 PM
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46. I'm not sure I want Obama as VP either (don't want to see him wasted and languishing)--
but I think Clinton/Obama would be a certain win.
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 04:10 PM
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54. Way-ell, if I were a betting man...
I'd say Clinton/smelly gym sock would be a certain win. As would "AnyDem/smelly gym sock."

I'm wrong sometimes, but I really do think the GOP is going to get the crap beaten out of them next year, in the Presidential, Congressional, and Senate races.

I'm under no illusions that the resulting Democratic majority will be some progressive paradise, but rather, we'll be stuck cleaning up the elephant shit for four years or so, and getting blamed for the elephant shit in the process.
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timber84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 03:38 PM
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45. Clinton/Bayh
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 07:15 PM
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111. Makes sense.. Bayh is another DLC member!
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 03:43 PM
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48. I have thoughts on three pairings
Clinton first billing for all three

Clinton/Richardson

Clinton/Clark

Clinton/Biden

Richardson, Clark and Biden are all good regarding foreign relations/policy....Lord knows we need to repair some major damage we've created around the world
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 03:50 PM
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50. Biden said today he wouldn't do it--said VP would just be a ceremonial post.
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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 04:14 PM
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55. Wait a minute - what about Cheney ("just ceremonial")?
Oh, that's right - it only works when the "president" has a room temperature IQ...
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 04:30 PM
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58. Right--it will revert back to a ceremonial post when the President
actually has traceable brain waves.
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Labors of Hercules Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 03:50 PM
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51. Gore/Boxer
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 03:52 PM
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52. Toss-up
I think Clinton has a 50% chance of getting upset - I just don't know by whom.

Going purely on my gut, Clinton/Clark
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Stewie Donating Member (244 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 04:10 PM
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53. Clinton/Vilsack
Though if she needs a Southerner, Clinton/Bredesen?
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 04:18 PM
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56. flvegan/Madonna
As good a realistic prediction I can make right now.
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 07:54 PM
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67. I would so vote for that ticket!
:) :hi:
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freestyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 04:23 PM
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57. I see Clinton/Richardson vs. Guiliani/Rice
Of course, I want Obama to be our nominee, but I am not really seeing that happening. If either Clinton or Obama is on the Democratic ticket, thhe GOP will find a woman and/or person of color for their ticket. I'm seeing Condi, especially since she denies political aspirations so strongly.
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GodlessBiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 04:51 PM
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61. Conservatives will sit that election out and the Dems will win.
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 04:31 PM
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59. Clinton/Clark! My choice would be Gore/Clinton or Gore/Clark
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Ishoutandscream2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 05:17 PM
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63. Yes, Clinton/Clark. And I'm like you, wanting Gore
but afraid it won't happen.
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 05:15 PM
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62. Clinton/Mark Warner.........n/t
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 07:48 PM
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66. Mmmmmmm....I don't know.
Warner has some shit out there. Not sure what it is, but his own oppo research caused him to 'step back.' Dunno what, it's usually a 'lady problem' but he could have other youthful indiscretions...He was Robert 'Novakula' Novak's choice for Clinton, oddly enough.

Of course, it's harder nowadays to be outraged about personal pecadillos, what with all the work the GOP is doing to make torrid affairs, bathroom liaisons, and diaper-wearing indiscretions just part of the "ho-hum" business-as-usual landscape. Look at the GOP Frontrunner--he loves to wear dresses, makeup and ladies' wigs, he's been married three times, once to a cousin, and he had no problem schtuping his girlfriend(s)--he had at least one other before Princess Judy--in the governor's manse until Wife #2 said 'ENOUGH!' He hung around with sleazebags like Kerik, the fuckmeister extraordinaire, and don't tell me he didn't use that same love nest or one nearby that Kerik used, that should have been reserved for the GZ workers!

So who knows, it could happen...???
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 11:00 PM
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80. Isn't he running for Senate? Don't think he's in the running for VP any longer.
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 09:41 AM
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85. Yeah, he's running for Senate, and he's the most likely Dem. pickup.
There's no way he's dropping out of that race.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 06:56 PM
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103. Well, the name alone is a two-fer.
He has that Governor thing behind him, and that was good for the state, and then there's the 'other Warner' factor...those inattentive old Republicans will think they're voting for the old guy who's retiring, who used to be SECNAV!
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 11:43 PM
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81. I don't think Hillary would pick one of the other presidential
candidates to run as her VP. Warner just seemed like a decent choice.

I can't imagine Warner having done something worse than what we see from the republicans (as you mentioned.)

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Lyric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 08:00 PM
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68. Clinton/Easley
Edited on Mon Nov-05-07 08:00 PM by oktoberain
I think Clinton will get the nomination, and ask North Carolina Governor Mike Easley to be her running mate. :hi:
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 08:14 PM
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71. Gore/Boxer
vs Thompson/Huckabee vs Bloomberg/CFR
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CK_John Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 08:37 PM
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72. Hillary/Sebelius. n/t
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 08:42 PM
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73. Clinton/whoever
the media has already made the decision so apparently it's a given. x(
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rndmprsn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 08:46 PM
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74. Gore / Edwards...i hope
Edwards/kucinich i'll take!!!
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 08:47 PM
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75. Doesn't matter. It will be whomever our corporate masters decree.
We have officially become too dumb to live.



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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 08:51 PM
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77. and the GOP will win
Corporate money in Dem primaries will end up being the Trojan horse.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 09:50 AM
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92. yep. both nominees have to get the corporate thumbs up before they can even win nomination
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 08:52 PM
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78. Gore/Somebody n/t
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 09:40 AM
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84. Clinton/Obama.
After Clinton wins the primary, she taps Obama to pull in all the disaffected voters of the second-place candidate, shoring up the base. Plus, like a medieval wedding between royal houses, it would draw together a somewhat fractious Democratic party (as you alluded to in your "different sides of the DNC comment). Plus, I think Obama would acquiesce -- he's certainly young enough that eight years as VP would still give him plenty of time to run for the Oval Office himself. Plus, Obama's the party future -- witness his very healthy numbers among younger voters. There's a lot of positives there, and very few negatives.
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 09:42 AM
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87. Hillary/Hillary Sycophant
n/t
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 09:44 AM
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88. gore/clark...and edwards will make a FINE attorney general.
nt
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Czolgosz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 09:47 AM
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89. Edwards-Obama
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 07:10 PM
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106. Me 2, Edwards/Obama (n/t)
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 09:47 AM
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90. Edwards and someone from Midwest or West
Hillary's support is all name recognition, media, and corporations. She has done nothing to endear herself to actual people.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 09:48 AM
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91. Republicans will pick the Democrat, just like they did in 2004.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 09:51 AM
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94. Clinton/Edwards..
I look for Wesley Clark as the Sec of State.
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 09:53 AM
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96. Edwards/Webb OR Edwards/Obama would each be a winner.
These would be powerful combinations to go up against either Giuliani or Romney.
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 09:56 AM
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97. Interesting! NO ONE lists Hillary as a possible VP candidate....
I don't think she would do well in that slot, but it interesting that no one lists her as a possible VP if she does not get the Democratic Party Nomination.
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 07:11 PM
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107. That is interesting, I wonder what that means? (n/t)
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cadmium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 08:33 PM
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121. The Clintons are too powerful to be VP
Having a Clinton as VP would overshadow any president
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 10:01 AM
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98. They Need To Be Fighters
Hillary already knows this. She surely is expecting the general campaign to be full of mud and will require constant hit backs. Remember, it was the Clintons who prefected the war room and be assured that an even bigger and more efficient one is on the way. If Hillary is the nominee, she'll need a running mate who hammers with her...will be able to play with the "big boys" and stand up to the onslaught that is sure to ensue. This is no job for the weak-kneed.

I don't think Senator Edwards would take the number 2 slot again. He's worked too hard for the top slot and felt stiffled being Kerry's running mate. I also don't see Senator Obama being a good number 2 as he's just learning how to play with the "big boys"...his inexperience (his achillies heel) will hurt him in the torture chamber that is the general.

That leaves several possibilities. My first pick would be Richardson. He's worked with the Clintons before, he brings experience on several levels, isn't really a threat to Hillary or visa versa, would rally millions of Hispanic votes and could play good cop to Hillary's bad or visa versa. I could also see Chris Dodd in this role, but Dodd and Biden both play best in the Senate. Richardson is term-limited in New Mexico and has a popular Lt. Gov...he would be a far better fit. AFA General Clark, I see him taking charge and cleaning up the DOD.
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 07:13 PM
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108. I agree, rabid fighting take no prisoners killing machines (n/t)
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 06:57 PM
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104. Gore/Feingold or Gore/Obama
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hiphopnation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 08:06 PM
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119. i like your latter...
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sampsonblk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 07:13 PM
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109. Clinton/Clark-nt
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 07:13 PM
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110. Edwards/Kuchinich
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cadmium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 07:18 PM
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112. I would bet with conventional wisdom
Hillary and Richardson
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cadmium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 08:29 PM
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120. Just betting-not advocating n/t
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 08:05 PM
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117. Biden/Richardson
People might want someone actually qualified for the office this time, ya know?
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 08:06 PM
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118. Clinton / Edwards
Not my first choice but you asked who I thought was likely to get it. Though it might look lately like those two are down each other's throats, I have a funny feeling we are getting played.
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tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 08:42 PM
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122. Ya know, that is the one thing about Clinton
That would make me feel just a little better about her winning the primary. Sadly, I think she is far more likely to choose Bayh or Warner as a running mate.
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 11:05 PM
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129. I'm not sure she would have a choice in the matter, in some strange
way I feel like the names have already been set in stone, the only one I am not so sure about is Giuliano's' running mate, I don't think that one has quite been decided yet, I think they are duking it out for the number two spot.
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surfermaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 09:12 PM
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124. Edwards...Gore...Biden for VP
Edwards with Gore as VP. or Gore with Edwards VP...and Biden for VP
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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 09:24 PM
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126. Clinton/Warner
Edited on Tue Nov-06-07 09:24 PM by DemGa
Mark Warner, Former Governor of Virginia.

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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 10:25 PM
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128. My vote won't count, so I'm not bothering to guess. -n/t
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 11:07 PM
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130. When I close my eyes I dream...
Edwards/Obama
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