PKK captured uning US weapons!

[rodeodance]

Saturday, Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al Maliki pledged during a meeting of regional leaders in Istanbul that his country would "take steps to isolate the terrorist PKK, prevent any help from reaching its members, chase and arrest them, and put them in front of the Iraqi judiciary because of their terrorist activities."

But Maliki's government has little influence in Iraqi Kurdistan, and Kurdish leaders there have made it clear in recent weeks that they have little interest in cracking down on the group.

The lack of U.S. action against the PKK also has inflamed anti-American opinion in Turkey, a NATO ally. Recent public opinion polls have shown only 2 percent of Turks agree with American foreign policy. Seventy-four percent of those responding to one poll said the PKK's presence in northern Iraq was the "most thorny obstacle in Turkish-American relations."

Erdogan has noted that recently captured PKK fighters have been armed with U.S. weapons, including M-16 rifles. Turkish experts believe the rebels also have U.S. ground to air weapons, a threat to Turkish helicopters.............


http://www.mcclatchydc.com/iraq/story/21075.html

[angstlessk]

1. rodeo, while you have time..fix uning to using...I know what you mean!

[aquart]

2. Would these be the missing weapons we used to arm the Iraqi police?

Just wondering.

[Disturbed]

3. I suspect that US weapons were sold to the PKK.

Who could have done that?

[aquart]

4. Almost anybody? Lotta missing munitions (nearly all American).

Lotta people desperate to make a buck. Black marketeering thrives in wartime.

But do you think the US deliberately armed the PKK? I remember joint Israeli/Kurdish training sessions were going on a few years ago. Are you thinking Israel was the cutout for the US? Occam's Razor, I think it was insanely easy to get the guns from Iraqi sources without ever negotiating with any foreign power.

Oh, I feel so foolish. Guns for oil? You think American guns were made available in exchange for that oil contract? Was that with the dubious Hunt brothers?

If so, the Turkish secret service deserves to be flogged for ineptitude.

But again, I think the black market is flooded with American weapons. Now where the cash came from...but billions of that is missing, too. So our money probably did pay for our guns. But don't expect a thank you note.

[Junkdrawer]

5. The US & Israel have been using the PKK for special ops for a while...

Seymour Hersh from 2004: "Plan B"

....

In a series of interviews in Europe, the Middle East, and the United States, officials told me that by the end of last year Israel had concluded that the Bush Administration would not be able to bring stability or democracy to Iraq, and that Israel needed other options. Prime Minister Ariel Sharon’s government decided, I was told, to minimize the damage that the war was causing to Israel’s strategic position by expanding its long-standing relationship with Iraq’s Kurds and establishing a significant presence on the ground in the semi-autonomous region of Kurdistan. Several officials depicted Sharon’s decision, which involves a heavy financial commitment, as a potentially reckless move that could create even more chaos and violence as the insurgency in Iraq continues to grow.

Israeli intelligence and military operatives are now quietly at work in Kurdistan, providing training for Kurdish commando units and, most important in Israel’s view, running covert operations inside Kurdish areas of Iran and Syria. Israel feels particularly threatened by Iran, whose position in the region has been strengthened by the war. The Israeli operatives include members of the Mossad, Israel’s clandestine foreign-intelligence service, who work undercover in Kurdistan as businessmen and, in some cases, do not carry Israeli passports.

....

The Israeli decision to seek a bigger foothold in Kurdistan—characterized by the former Israeli intelligence officer as “Plan B”—has also raised tensions between Israel and Turkey. It has provoked bitter statements from Turkish politicians and, in a major regional shift, a new alliance among Iran, Syria, and Turkey, all of which have significant Kurdish minorities. In early June, Intel Brief, a privately circulated intelligence newsletter produced by Vincent Cannistraro, a retired C.I.A. counterterrorism chief, and Philip Giraldi, who served as the C.I.A.’s deputy chief of base in Istanbul in the late nineteen-eighties, said:

Turkish sources confidentially report that the Turks are increasingly concerned by the expanding Israeli presence in Kurdistan and alleged encouragement of Kurdish ambitions to create an independent state. . . . The Turks note that the large Israeli intelligence operations in Northern Iraq incorporate anti-Syrian and anti-Iranian activity, including support to Iranian and Syrian Kurds who are in opposition to their respective governments.

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http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2004/06/28/040628fa_fact?printable=true

[Disturbed]

6. Israel is a tricky USA Ally.

They have spies within the US Govt. that send US secret Intel to the Israeli Govt. Strange that they need spies within the US Govt. eh? Israel looks out for their own interests even at times that negates US Govt. interests. I guess that isn't illogical.

[Islander Expat]

10. Ally's don't attack your Navy

Remember the Liberty!

[The Magistrate]

13. Not One Word In that Article, Mr. Junkdrawer, Relates Israel To The P.K.K.

There are a great variety of factions among the Kurds, and to simply lump them all together is akin to regarding Iraq as a homogenous mass of "Arabs" without regard for sectarian and ethnic differences that are signifigant enough to the people themselves to produce a great deal of bloodshed. Kurdish irridentism in Iran and Syria do, to some degree, benefit Israeli interests; Kurdish irridentism in Turkey does not. The Turks, understandably, view any move for Kurdish autonomy anywhere as a potential difficulty, since an actual Kurdish state would be a standing inspiration to the large eastern portion of Turkey that is predominantly Kurdish, and which has long resisted Turkish authority and rejected Turkish identity.

[Junkdrawer]

14. Hersh: US, Israel support PKK

....

PKK Kurdish rebel group and its sister organization, PEJAK, have been receiving support from the US and Israel, an American journalist claims.

"In the past months, Israel and the United States have been working together in support of PKK and its Iranian offshoot PEJAK, I was told by a government consultant with close ties to the Pentagon," said Pulitzer Prize-winning, Seymour Hersh.

In an interview with Turkish gazette, Zaman, the leading American investigative journalist also revealed that the White House has lost control over PKK which has gone rogue.

Earlier, the renowned American journalist accused Washington and the Zionist regime of providing PKK and PEJAK with 'training and equipment' in a secret ploy to destabilize the region.

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http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=28988§ionid=3510203

[seemslikeadream]

15. PEJAK, have been receiving support from the US and Israel,

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=28988§ionid=3510203

[Junkdrawer]

16. The actual quote says BOTH PKK and PEJAK.....

"In the past months, Israel and the United States have been working together in support of PKK and its Iranian offshoot PEJAK, I was told by a government consultant with close ties to the Pentagon,"

[14thColony]

17. PJAK

PJAK is just the Iranian-Kurd franchise of the PKK.

[14thColony]

7. Have been for a while

PKK have been posting picks on their websites for some time of their troops carrying M-16s - since well prior to the US invasion. Mostly old M-16A1 versions no longer used by the US. Honestly could have come from anywhere. Plenty of them available on the worldwide arms market and the PKK have plenty of money to spend.

[Skidmore]

8. Everybody over there uses US weaponry. We back all sides so

our defense industry can stay flush. Warmongers, Inc. turns a tidy profit no matter what nation is involved.

[annabanana]

9. This is what happens when you give cloistered ideologues

the keys to the car. A complete lack of understanding of the components of the conflict coupled with the blinkered certainty of the true believer.

We have to get the experts into the driver's seat ASAP, THAT is why we must impeach.

IMPEACH

[alittlelark]

11. Blackwaters been makin' some $$$ on the side?

HMMMMM.

[lala_rawraw]

12. are we surprised by this?

I have to say it seems to me that the cabal is playing with some very dangerous toys from the Gladio stash.