If I were to begin walking to DC carrying the letter "I", would anyone join me with the letter "M"?

[Whoa_Nelly]

and then "P", "E", "A", "C", and "H"?

I honestly think the only way for our Constitution to be taken out of the shredder is to get more than a million citizens to be in DC with one purpose and one purpose only in to taking the cry of impeachment to the streets before those who are supposed to be working for us and sworn to uphold the Constitution.

As with any large protest, there are always those who want their issues heard as well, and I can't fault them for taking the opportunity to be seen and heard. Yet, of all the issues, the issue of impeachment connects citizen members of all US political parties more than anything else.

This war, our economy, the diminution of the middle and lower socioeconomic classes within our society, civil rights for the GLBT citizens, and the many "edicts" by a president and veep that are being allowed to go unchecked, and more, all come down to one thing: Impeach Cheney and Bush, and begin the dismantling of the PNAC.

Democracy will always be fragile. That's why it's so important that the citizens gather and be heard.

If I carry the "I", will you bring the "M"?



Would so love to see something similar to this:

October 21, 1967

[MADem]

1. What do you notice about that top picture?

Everyone's in SHORTS.

It's probably going to be a tough row to hoe, to get an enthusiastic and reliable following, with Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Year's and oh, WINTER, at the doorstep...!

Unless you're marching from, say, Loudon County or Gaithersburg...

[Lint Head]

7. I don't see a pair of shorts in the bunch. They're wearing

jackets, jeans and the guy or girl in the middle looks like they have on kulocks or capri paints with leggings.
That's the problem today. No one is willing to sacrifice even to get cold. People are dying and our rights are being destroyed but no one wants to get cold? That is why a draft would wake people up.

"Those who would sacrifice essential liberties for a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin

[MADem]

13. No, people aren't willing to sacrifice. They just aren't.

I've made the comment here myself. I've suggested that a draft would be a fine leveller, if it were prosecuted in the fashion proposed by that great legislator Charles Rangel.

I often wondered if it wasn't that 'Throw every beef save the "You are being mean to Britney" gripes into the same pot, on the same stage' aspect that those "event organizers" do that ruined the whole protest attitude in this century, or what...or maybe it's the No Draft, No Problem attitude. There are people who oppose the war but don't give a shit about Cuba, or Free Mumia, or Chavez Si, or some other fringe complaint.

There are plenty of people who WANT Bush to finish his term, too, so that it can be said that the asshole was given EVERY opportunity to fix his own mess, and it wasn't snatched away from him right at the moment that he would have unveiled his "secret plan to end the war." Sound familiar?

Good luck finding some reliable people, at this time, in this season, with these attitudes, is all I'm saying.

Emphasis on the word RELIABLE.

[disndat]

2. Great Idea

I wiah I live near D.C. In a row or in line together. Daily and around the clock if you have enough volunteers.

[Whoa_Nelly]

3. I live in central CA

Don't have much money, am trying to get a permanent position teaching here (moved back here in 2005 to be near grandchildren), and currently am making some money with my Interior Design biz and substitute teaching, along with some money form an inheritance.

But, motivation far outweighs the lack of money issue. I have things I can sell in order to maintain where I live and to be able to sustain myself for this interim in my life.

Yes, the weather would be a factor this time of year, but time is also not on our side if we don't act now.
(someone knocking at my door...is it the SS?...just kidding...for now)

If I started from CA, am wondering who would join me.

Our nation's future is in jeopardy. Our Constitution is in peril of being completely destroyed. My grandchildren's future as American citizens looks bleak from where I stand.

[Bitwit1234]

4. I remember watching this protest on TV. Watching it on TV folks

they showed it all day off and on. Can you imagine these MSM every even showing a protest on TV. And I have said it over and over...the reason for the protest...was the draft......they did not want to go to Viet Nam. Hence the protests.

By the way, if there are some old timers, like me, do you all remember the naked guys hanging from the statutes...the cameras got a short pan, nothing really visible but they were on top of the statues and the police had a heck of a time getting them down.

[Whoa_Nelly]

5. I remember it all, and yes, the reason then was due to the draft

For today it would be for our Constitution.

[Cleita]

6. Winter isn't a good time to be setting out on what would be

a cross country camping trip. Otherwise, I could be tempted if I could find a temporary home for my kitty. Spring though would be almost too late for what you have in mind.

[Subdivisions]

8. If you come through Dallas, I will gladly carry the M. n/t

[Frustratedlady]

9. I was never an activist, but followed politics pretty closely...

I'm certainly changing in my old age...I don't agree with impeachment, only because I feel it would take too long and cost too much money.

I feel this administration is guilty of, and has admitted to, enough crimes, that they should be arrested. Won't take long and won't cost much.

JMVHO

[Whoa_Nelly]

10. What price (costs) do you place on preserving our Constitution, as compared to the continuing costs

in its destruction by a runaway executive branch that chooses to supersede our Constitution's checks and balances?

As we move over the upcoming year toward our nation's next presidential election, time is precious. While there may be more forthcoming criminal charges against the BushCo/PNAC group from other nations, I really don't believe there will be any criminal repercussions for these thugs within our borders.

The evidence of their crimes that constitute high crimes and misdemeanors is already on videotape and sound bites.
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/24608

Why We Need More Investigations Like Cheney Needs More Power
Submitted by davidswanson on Thu, 2007-07-12 19:51. Evidence | Impeachment

Their crimes stand open on the table before us. Their lies about Iraqi ties to al Qaeda are on videotape and in writing, and they continue to make them to this day. Their claims about Iraqi weapons have been shown in every detail to have been, not mistakes, but lies. Their threats to Iran are on videotape. Bush being warned about Katrina and claiming he was not are on videotape. Bush lying about illegal spying and later confessing to it are on videotape. A federal court has ruled that spying to be a felony. The Supreme Court has ruled Bush and Cheney's system of detentions unconstitutional. Torture, openly advocated for by Bush and Cheney and their staffs, is documented by victims, witnesses, and public photographs. Torture was always illegal and has been repeatedly recriminalized under Bush and Cheney. Bush has reversed laws with signing statements. Those statements are posted on the White House website, and a GAO report found that with 30 percent of Bush's signing statements in which he announces his right to break laws, he has in fact proceeded to break those laws. For these and many other offenses, no investigation is needed because no better evidence is even conceivable. And rather than taking three months, the impeachment of Cheney or Bush could be completed in a day.



Nixon timeline:
http://www.msnbc.com/onair/msnbc/timeandagain/archive/watergate/timeline.asp

March 1, 1974
Indictments for White House cover-up

April 11, 1974
House subpoenas Nixon tapes

April 29, 1974
Nixon promises to release tape transcripts

May 9, 1974
House Impeachment inquiry begins

July 24, 1974
Supreme Court rules on tapes

July 24-30, 1974
Final phase of house impeachment inquiry

August 5, 1974
Nixon implicated by tapes in cover-up

August 8-9, 1974
President Nixon

[Frustratedlady]

11. Aren't we basically saying the same thing?

I feel this administration is guilty of, and has admitted to, enough crimes, that they should be arrested. Won't take long and won't cost much.

-----------------------

I argue against impeachment since it will take too long and cost too much, as evidenced by history. Their crimes are punishable and they should be behind bars, not embarrassed by impeachment. They'd laugh all the way to Paraguay.

It seems to me that it is our court or the World Court.

Just sayin'.

[Whoa_Nelly]

12. Am saying the opposite

I want impeachment, and think it may very well be the catalyst for bringing successful criminal charges within our borders.
I also believe that impeachment will provide a path back to respect for the US by other nations.



More of our tax dollars are being spent daily than the amount in the comparative millions it would cost to follow through on impeachment.


Running/escalating count so far:
http://www.nationalpriorities.org/Cost-of-War/Cost-of-War-3.html

Daily cost

A billboard in Times Sqaure counts the cost of the Iraq war
starting at $134.5B and increases at a rate of
$177M per day, $7.4M per hour and $122,820 per minute.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/president/2004-08-26-iraq-war-clock_x.htm

[MADem]

14. You impeach, and you run up against a double jeopardy argument for further prosecution.

It may not be valid, but it would be the first one pulled out.

[NYC Liberal]

15. That's fairly easy to shoot down:

Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law

Of course like you said, they'll certainly try it.

[MADem]

16. Uhhhh....but then you have the Gerald Ford Codicil....!!!!

Acceptance of a PARDON is acceptance of GUILT. Gerald carried that shit around in his wallet till the day he died. Hell, people wrote fucking doctoral DISSERTATIONS on the Ford Codicil!

All Porge has to do is hand out pardons like they're Halloween candy, and insist, in the popular press, that he's

Heh, heh...heh.... MISUNDERSTOOD, on toppa bein' misunderestimated...heh heh....

At the end of the day, he'll insist that the LIB-RULLS simply MADE him do it...he wanted his day in court, but he KNEW he couldn't get a fair trial (rah, rah...fire up the base).

There will always be ambiguity, at least for now--future historians may see it clearly, but don't hold your breath for a decade or two.

The Rovian fuckers have built that shit in.