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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 07:34 PM
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Dear Democratic Leaders, Is there anything that you people believe is worth fighting for?
Seriously, Nancy, Harry, Chuck, Raum and all you your friends in Congress--is there anything--anything at all that you people will fight for.

Oh sure, you're putting up a good show on SCHIP--you may even manage a party line vote on that. Well Whoopdidoo. Let's face it, guys, the only reason you're putting up an argument on this one is that no one can call you soft on terror for wanting to give poor kids health insurance. Besides, in the end you know that the Shrubster will veto it and hand you a big fat campeign issue.

Unfortunately, when it comes to defending the Constitutional rights of the people who elected you, or, dare I say, actually doing something to end this ongoing disaster in Iraq, you guys have been out to lunch. What's worse, I daresay you will roll over on Iran too, all the while preserving your right to say, "Dear Me, I voted to give the President the power to THREATEN Iran, I didn't think he'd actually BOMB it!" As the shit--or the Shiite--hits the fan.

Today Chuck Schumer and Diane Feinstein decided to cast a vote for a guy who essentially lied to their faces regarding whether or not waterboarding is torture and who has expressed rather disturbing views regarding whether or not a president is bound by the law. Now this was not a surprise, Senator Schumer,seemed rather disturbed at Mukesey's views, but after all he recommended the guy and a Senator has to save face, after all. Senator Feinstein was actually granted a private audience with His Majesty, er I mean the President and reportedly came away "charmed" and "impressed". Good Lord,charmed and impressed by George W. Bush.

Like many people I had high hopes for you guys. I celebrated last November and thought Nancy's opening day with the kiddies was cute as hell. Unfortunately, you've failed to live up to your billing. Hell, you've failed misrebly at the job you were hired to do--slap a leash on an out of control President. Maybe you need a visit from the Dog Whisperer to learn how to act in a "calm assertive" manner. Bush & Cheney have quickly discovered that they can treat you like doormats. Wonder why the untreatable "superbug" has higher poll ratings than Congress? Maybe it's because if you are unwilling to stand up to the likes of Bush and Cheney, voters correctly question your ability to stand up to the likes of Osama Bin Laden.

Color me disgusted.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 07:36 PM
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1. "Nope."
Or "our high-paying jobs".

Tesha
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 07:37 PM
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2. Not until their "powder is dry" enough and the "have the votes".
Oh, wait..they do have the votes.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 07:56 PM
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11. Don't Get Too Excited About That Powder


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Mike Nelson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 07:37 PM
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3. They should be impeaching...
They had Bush, and let him go. They are PRO-TORTURE.
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rjones2818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 07:45 PM
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6. November 6th.
That's when Dennis brings up his Privilaged Resolution on the impeachment of Dick (then remove the bastard and go after W). If someone votes to table, that's the same as voting against impeachment.

Contact your congress person here: http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/

Dennis can use your support in his run for President.

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He's fighting for the Constitution, while the leadership and high ranking Dems colaborate with W.

Go Dennis! :woohoo:
http://dennis4president.com
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Choose Peace!
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 09:37 PM
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19. Of course there are the good guys--Dennis K. is certainly one of them.
Sadly, they'll probably pretend that his impeachment resolution isn't happening. I'll urge my Congressman (Rush Holt)to support it. He's been very good on the war and I haven't had much to complain about his stands on other issues but this may be too much for him.
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rjones2818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 07:39 PM
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4. Until they start being Democrats...
No funding of the national fundraising arms, including the DNC. It's the only way to get your message to them before elections. Fund those candidates who support Democratic and progressive causes, but no money for the national party.

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yourout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 08:12 PM
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13. Right now Russ Feingold is about the only Dem I would be willing to send a single penny to.
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rjones2818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 08:31 PM
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14. Well, there's Dennis!
:)

And, to be truthful, Mike (though the tax thing stretches it a bit)!
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 08:35 PM
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15. There are more than just Russ
Kennedy, Leahy, Whitehouse, Sanders, in the Senate alone. And as Russ released a statement today that almost defended Mukasey, and said he hadn't made up his mind yet, I'm a little disappointed in him.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 11:21 AM
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29. Sanders isn't a Democrat, of course; he's a (Shhhh -- don't tell anyone!) Socialist.
Things won't change until Democrats start to understand
that they don't have an automatic monopoly on our votes
simply for being a member of the Democratic Party.

Tesha
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 07:42 PM
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5. no there is`t
just about every fucking one of them are sell outs.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 07:47 PM
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7. Now you know, nancy is all about
show..not so much substance.

But, she'll talk until she's blue in the face about what a good game she has.
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 07:48 PM
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8. Maybe it is the time we are living in?
I guess we should be happy these were not the guys we sent to fight WW2. I can not see the country getting it together and becoming a world power with these guys in Congress for sure. I must say I will not be happy to think of China being the super power of the world and it can not be a good thing for the rest of the world. With all our problems the USA has had some thing to give the world and some really great things of the mind have been sent around the world by us. It is a great country and I hope we do not lose it but---------
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 07:50 PM
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9. Keeping their jobs
90% of them anyway
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bluethruandthru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 07:51 PM
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10. Oh, you can bet that if the republics had said
"A vote for SCHIP is a vote for terrorism"...the dems would have voted against it too! All the republics have to do is say (fill in the blank) means the dems are soft on terror...and the dems roll over.
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 07:31 AM
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24. I'm waiting for them to cave on the tobacco tax part and make it an unfunded mandate
Bush will promise to sign it if the Democrats remove the funding. He'll then either veto it anyway just to poke a stick in their eyes or Nancy & Harry will pose with Bush at the signing ceremony grinning like fools and prattling about bipartisanship over what will be unfortunately, a costly fraud.

Democrats, like battered spouses, never seem to learn.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 08:12 PM
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12. their own retirement plan and health care maybe nt
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 08:39 PM
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16. nothing i've noticed
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 09:23 PM
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17. Oh absolutely.
"Bipartisanship," "deferring to the President's right to choose his own cabinet members / judges / department heads / call boys," "working together to get things done," "making sure the party doesn't lose credibility," "supporting the troops," "making sure the armed services have all the support they need," "working together to fight terror," did I leave anything out?
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 09:40 PM
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20. I think you've hit the high points. nt
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 09:32 PM
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18. Yes. They have something they will fight for. It has three sides.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 05:11 AM
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21. We have the same dysfunctional legislature ALL totalitarian nations have
We are the Italian Legislature in 1922. We are the Reichstag in 1933. Our Amerikan Congress s legion and it's like has been seen many times before, usually before the rise of tyrannical dictators and the most evil people the world has ever seen.

They are merely prouducts of their times, the same way the cowardly Roman Senate gave it all away to Julius Caesar and then took it back 4 years later in what may be the ONLY example of true courage in pampered patrician politicians until von Stauffenberg tried to assainate Hitler in 1944.
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 07:13 AM
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23. Schumer & Feinstein have predecessors in German pols who passed the Enabling Acts
Ironic isn't it.

It is the mindset of these politicians and not the specific circumstances, of course. No doubt the Senators loathe those members of the Reichstag. Unfortunately they are failing to see that defending the rights that are granted under the Constitution is the only way to prevent tyranny.

They have their political blinders on and are incapable of seeing the full picture what is happening around them.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 06:17 AM
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22. BUT WAIT! The Democrats in Congress showed the highest Democratic unity score in 51 years
Edited on Sat Nov-03-07 06:18 AM by Perry Logan
"President Bush's success rating in the Democratic-controlled House has fallen this year to a half-century low, and he prevailed on only 14 percent of the 76 roll call votes on which he took a clear position.

"So far this year, Democrats have backed the majority position of their caucus 91 percent of the time on average on such votes. That marks the highest Democratic unity score in 51 years."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1728952&mesg_id=1728952
http://public.cq.com/docs/cqt/news110-000002576765.html

Don't let the media rhetoric fool you. The Democrats have acquitted themselves quite well--especially given their bare majority in both houses, and a relentlessly obstructionist Republican minority.

this 110th Congress has had more roll call votes this year than any
other Congress in history, almost doubling the number under the previous Congress overseen by Boehner
and House Speaker Dennis Hastert (R-IL):
The House last week held its 943rd roll call vote of the year, breaking the previous
record of 942 votes, a mark set in 1978. The vote was on a procedural motion related to a
mortgage foreclosure bill. When the House adjourned on Oct. 4 for the long weekend, the
chamber had reached 948 roll call votes, putting Democrats on pace to easily eclipse 1,000
votes on the House floor in 2007.
Last year, the Republican controlled House held 543 votes, and for historical comparison,
the last time there was a shift in power in Congress, Republicans held 885 roll call votes in
1995. The Senate, which has held 363 votes this year, isn’t on pace to break any
records, but has already surpassed the 2006 Senate mark of 279 votes.
Much of the lack of progress can be traced back to obstructionism by conservatives. Approximately “1 in
6 roll-call votes in the Senate this year have been cloture votes,” noted a JulyMcClatchy report. “If this
pace of blocking legislation continues, this 110th Congress will be on track to roughly triple the previous
record number of cloture votes.”
It’s interesting that Boehner is criticizing the 110th Congress as doing nothing. After all, the House, under
his leadership, met for just 101 days during the second session of the 109th Congress, setting the record
“for the fewest days in session in one year since the end ofWorld War II.”
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rockybelt Donating Member (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 07:31 PM
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32. So what have they done for us lately?
They have not done what they were sent to congress to do for us. They have not held anyone accountable for this war and they have not even attempted to stop it.
They could EASILY stop this war. They have not one set of balls among them. My fixed dog has more balls than these ass-holes.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 07:46 AM
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25. Yes. Power for the sake of power.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 07:55 AM
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26. Corporate contributions
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 10:56 AM
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27. Money. That's all they and their supporters care about.
Edited on Sat Nov-03-07 10:58 AM by TheGoldenRule
F*ck the rest of us, this country, the Constitution & what it stands for.

:puke:
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 10:57 AM
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28. Electoral Victories!
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 06:41 PM
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30. rupert murdoch is on my top
5 list of "BIGGEST DIRTY ASSHOLES IN THE WORLD." And Hillary took his $...how could she keep from puking on his shoes?

I can't stand it...when will We, The People have our say? What will it take? Hey, maybe France can invade us...!!! At least we'd have excellent gourmet food!!!

I'm so forlorn.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 06:43 PM
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31. Campaign contributions, not much else
Its the "me" generation of Dem leaders.
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