The most influential US liberals, according to the Telegraph (UK)

[jefferson_dem]

The most influential US liberals
Last Updated: 11:53pm GMT 01/11/2007

As the US prepares for what is arguably the most open presidential election since 1928, the last time there was no incumbent president or vice-president on the ballot, the Daily Telegraph's Washington correspondents compile a list of the 100 most influential liberals and conservatives in America.

TOP 10 --->
1. BILL CLINTON
2. AL GORE
3. MARK PENN
4. HILLARY CLINTON
5. NANCY PELOSI
6. BARACK OBAMA
7. MICHAEL MOORE
8. ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER
9. OPRAH WINFREY
10. EVAN BAYH
11. JOHN PODESTA
12. MARKOS MOULITSAS ZUNIGA
13. RAHM EMANUEL
14. JIM WEBB
15. GEORGE SOROS
16. ARIANNA HUFFINGTON
17. DONNA BRAZILE
18. RICHARD HOLBROOKE
19. ELIZABETH EDWARDS
20. JOAN BLADES AND WES BOYD (Founders and co-chairs of MoveOn.org)

For details, and the rest of the list, LINK to ---> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/exclusions/uselection/nosplit/liberals1-20.xml

[cali]

1. Strange list.

Evan Bayh? Donna Brazille? Jim Webb? This list makes no sense to me.

[XemaSab]

3. Not to mention the Gropernator

:P

[JuniperLea]

4. No surprise

Any list or poll that doesn't have Hillary at the top throws you every time:)


:hi:

[cali]

10. what are you talking about?

I've said it a hundred times: I don't support Hillary Clinton. She's my last choice, and I will not vote for her in the primary. Do you just enjoy making shit up?

I suggest you take a closer look at the list. Do you think of Colin Powell as a liberal? How about John Abizaid? At least half the people on it, aren't liberals. Whoever made up the list is truly clueless.

I trust, or at least I hope, that this is the last time I need to correct you regarding my non-support for Clinton. Perhaps though, you have some memory problems, and I need to be more understanding about your "senior moments".

[JuniperLea]

LOL!!!

You're a hoot:)

[cali]

20. so are you!

just cute as a cheap, shiny plastic button. :rofl:

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[cali]

35. then why do you do it?

If it doesn't make sense to you, why do you do it? And please, don't try telling me that your comment, which preceded mine, btw, wasn't a nasty comment.

[Trajan]

43. You are engaging in personal attacks ...

Which apparently have no basis .... You have been gently corrected on a matter of fact, and still refuse to cease your personal attacks.

I rarely alert ... but this is why that have that shiny button on the left ....

[JuniperLea]

44. I still have my fingers... eom

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

14. How about Maureen Dowd? And, Joe Lieberman?? And, even though he's supposedly liberal I would never

include James Carville.

:shrug: MKJ

[UTUSN]

37. Joementum is on the Wingnut list, with Drew CAREY & the karate guy, but no Bo DEREK n/t

[XemaSab]

2. Where's Howard?

No love for the Chairman? :shrug:

[jefferson_dem]

5. This is how fucked-up their list is. You wanna know where howard is?

...



Wait for it


...

84th out of 100.

[XemaSab]

9. Wow... who wrote this list? Rahm Emmanuel, James Carville, and Terry McAulliffe?

:shrug:

[cali]

13. According to this list, Al Francken is more influential

than either Pat Leahy, Chairman of the Judiciary or Bernie Sanders. I didn't see either of them on the list, but perhaps I missed them.

[XemaSab]

15. And Harry Reid is what, #33?

:shrug:

[XemaSab]

19. And the part that's REALLY offensive

is the link. :eyes: :puke: :eyes: :puke:

[marmar]

6. Rahm Emanuel?

What definition of "liberal" are they using? In the UK, Rahm would be to the right of the Tories.

[OzarkDem]

51. What a laugh, eh?

Rahm is about as liberal as Ronald Reagan.

[baldguy]

7. 6 of the first 10 aren't liberals

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

17. 14 of the first 20, as well. nt

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

8. They seem to be using a "one size fits all" definition of "liberal".

Some of those folks qualify as somewhat to the right of "moderates".

[jefferson_dem]

12. I guess it's all relative.

Ghouliani was placed at the top of the "conservative" list and, surely, there are more than a few exploding heads in freeperville.

[Warpy]

11. They're cetainly using the UK definition of "liberals"

because there are damned few even anaemic progressives on that list.

[marmar]

18. I think a UK version of liberal would be more progressive than a U.S. one....

:think:

[Warpy]

25. No, their Liberals are like Eisenhower Republics

decent enough, but very pro business and wrong about too many things to be taken all that seriously.

[LeftishBrit]

34. Not quite...

the Liberal Democrats as a whole are to the left of New Labour, though there is huge variation within all the parties, as I understand to be true in the US as well.

The equivalent of an 'Eisenhower Republic' would be a moderate Conservative: they tend to call themselves 'One Nation Tories'. Thatcher called them 'Wets'.

[mainer]

16. Where's Eli Pariser? Also part of Moveon.org?

I see him a lot more in the media than Blades and Boyd.

[XemaSab]

21. I take back everything negative I said before about this list...

Check out #21 on the conservative list. :rofl:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/exclusions/uselection/nosplit/uscons21-40.xml

[rudeboy666]

22. They are using a broad and loose definition of 'liberal'

This would include mainstream, establishment liberals (even centrists).

This is not a list of radicals or progressives.

[madrchsod]

23. this really is a joke.

the telegraph from england? ok i`m supposed to believe them?

[rudeboy666]

24. not a joke

They used their Washington DC staff to compile this idiosyncratic list.

[riverdeep]

26. Ah-nald?

The only reason he moved away from his rightist tendencies is because the teacher's and nurse's unions were going to tear him a new one, and probably because Maria took a frying pan to his head.

I knew we had moved to the right, but this list is absurd.

[Beausoleil]

47. Frying pan? I heard she used her "technicians" on him

but either euphemism works for me.

:rofl:

[Poiuyt]

27. WHERE'S SKINNER?

[Critters2]

41. Exactly.

This list maker hasn't a clue.

[earth mom]

28. There are several names on that list that don't belong there. Arnold, Hillary, Nancy?! WTF?!

:rofl:

[JI7]

29. the lists are a fucking joke, COLIN POWELL is listed under liberal ?

and Mark fucking Penn ?

hahaha

[JI7]

30. i get it now, isn't the telegraphn some Murdoch media ?

if not murdoch i'm pretty sure it's conservative.

[fujiyama]

31. That's likely one of the most asenine ranks/lists I've seen

Many of those listed would be considered right of center.

Most are at best, a moderate or centrist. I guess this just goes to show how far to the right politics have shifted.

[LeftishBrit]

33. Since when has Arnie been a liberal?

Though I suppose maybe he is, by the standards of the Torygraph!

[LeftishBrit]

36. If you want to be sick, look at the list of influential conservatives!

There is little doubt about their being conservative, though perhaps about their order of placement - Ann Coulter is only 86th, and Jeb Bush 88th, though he helped to instal Georgie in office. Joe Lieberman is on both the liberal and conservative lists

[Blue_Tires]

38. what a shitpile

23 - Colin Powell
30 - Biden
36 - Maureen Dowd
38 - Tweety (!?!??!?) WHAT THE FUCKING HELL??
41 - McAuliffe? LOL at that!
47 - Joementum...words fail me
50 - Steny...FFS
69 - Daschle?? FFS x 2
74 - Carville??
84 - Dean (why so low???)
93 - Shrum...puke
95 - Harold Ford (i thought this was a LIBERAL list?)

and sadly, Skinner did not make the list, even though Kos was 12th, and moveon and mydd.com's founders made it

[Az]

39. ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER!?!?!?

:wtf: That bares repeating... ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER!?!?!?!

[Critters2]

40. Apparently, the word "liberal" means something else in England

I'm assuming this is something like how the word "biscuit" in England really refers to what we call "cookies", and not what we call "biscuits".

I wonder what their word for liberal is.

[JohnLocke]

42. What bullshit.

[Swamp Rat]

45. Telegraph (UK) = Right wing propaganda rag

4. HILLARY CLINTON :eyes:

[karynnj]

46. Note that they exclude many of the most influencial Senators

such as Edward Kennedy. When a healthcare bill is actually written, Ted Kennedy will have far more influence in determining the form of it than anyone - possibly including the President. Similarly, Senator Leahy has far more to say on bills that will attempt to restore the Constitution. Even now, Biden and Kerry have had far more influence in moving people's opinions on what to do on Iraq than anyone on that list.

The list gives far too much weight to political operatives and flashy opinion people. Donna Brazille and Arianna Huffington have not made anywhere near the impact to justify these positions - in fact Brazile's inept campaign management hurt Gore and her gratuitous attacks on Kerry in 2004 were equally unhelpful. Mark Penn maybe HRC's top strategist - but the success of her campaign is likely far more because of Bill Clinton's wealth of loyal supporters in the party and in the media. Remember in 2004,with Leiberman, his skill resulted in Leiberman saying of NH, one of his better showings, that he came in in a three way tie for third - except the other two had 12% and he had about 10%.

Another strage thing is that Elizabeth Edwards is placed higher than John Edwards. To me this reflects how are media portrays us to the world - I just surprised that Paris Hilton can't be found on the list.

[Bleacher Creature]

48. Joe Lieberman is on this list??????????

WTF?

[slackmaster]

49. NO, THEY CAN'T CALL HILLARY A LIBERAL!!!

Can they?

[LSK]

50. Thom Hartmann? Randi Rhodes? Malloy? Franken?

AAR reaches several million per day.

[OzarkDem]

52. What are they trying to accomplish?

Is the Telegraph the conservative daily in the UK?