I will try this one last time -

[Joe for Clark]

I never thought I'd say this - but right now I do kinda hope the administration is monitoring this site - I really do.

Don't fucking play the middle - you do and we pay. No checks in the mail negotiating - what the hell you think happened last week? You think they were sending in fighters to plant flowers?? What makes you think they would react any different then we would - and we trained them!!

You be Winston Churchill on monday - if you can't do that - then you make a deal and side with the Turks. And if you don't do that, expect they will be prepared to attack immediately - that is what they were preparing for you moron.

They gave you a chance to avoid this - they showed more restraint then you could ever show - in the face of a populace that thinks we are satan - thanks to you.

George - don't you get it?? They are not like you - they mean what they say and then they do it. The warnings they sent you - I respect how much they tried to not do this.

Now they don't have a choice - the problem with democracy. They do what the people want in the end - ironic isn't it??

Joe

[gateley]

1. Bush's "foreign policy" is terrifying. No wonder Colin Powell quit. The world

will suffer as a result of our actions. :grr:

[Disturbed]

2. Busholini offered to bomb the PKK. Turkey turned him down.

Turkey attacking the PKK isn't the same as attacking all Kurds. Do some research on the PKK. They don't represent all Kurds.

[Joe for Clark]

3. Yeah - right up to the day they are invaded.

Joe

[gateley]

7. I agree. I saw a clip on Al Jazeera English with a Turk and an Iranian official -

They both agreed that the PKK is a terrorist group, and not a representation of all Kurds.

[Joe for Clark]

4. I don't really have anything else to say about this.

I said what I meant and I meant what I said.

I would so prefer to be wrong- but then that logical part of my brain kicks in.

I think the future of the country is in a very very great peril right now.

Unintended consequences - may be about to over come us I think.

We have avoided and dodged about as long as we could. Longer then could reasonably be expected. We had idiots, absolute idiots conducting sociological experiments on society - based on things that happened 2400 years ago - experiments mind you - based on things that didn't even turn out well as the model - who the hell elected them god!!

I am very pro American - I always will be. We stood for something once - I think we still do - we are just being tested - really tested.

We just have to tell these idiots in one voice - you go to hell. We are still the children of the children of FDR and we always will be - right up to that moment when we really do fall down a pit.

Things will be dictated by events now.

Joe

[Joe for Clark]

5. I forgot- I am getting forgetful lately -

You remember those bumper stickers from the VN war- America - Love it or Leave it??

Remember??

I am thinking maybe they are about right in this 21st century way. This man sells this country out for oil - then maybe he should move to Saudi Arabia. Maybe that will be the only place he is welcomed in the end.

Cause if he does now - he is no American. And he does not deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as good Americans that fought and died for us to be here today.

Traitor.

Joe

[Joe for Clark]

6. I know you guys did the best you could you know -

best anyone could ever expect out of our people. I am proud of all of you.

I really am - maybe this is in god's hands now.

You kinda have to trust in our karma, as a people.

Joe