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T.Ruth2power Donating Member (371 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 01:41 PM
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PROPAGANDA NATION- You Are Living In A Dream World


"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country."
Edward Bernays, Nephew of Sigmund Freud, Propaganda (1928)

"Those unaware are unaware of being unaware"

- Merrill Jenkins, Monetary Realist



The corporate mass-media serve to divert the unwashed masses and reinforce the basic social values: passivity, submissiveness to authority, the overriding virtue of greed and personal gain, lack of concern for others, fear of real or imagined enemies, etc.

“The goal is to keep the bewildered herd bewildered. It’s unnecessary for them to trouble themselves with what’s happening in the world. In fact, it’s undesirable — if they see too much of reality they may set themselves to change it.”

— Noam Chomsky
M.I.T. professor of linguistics
prolific author & U.S. foreign policy critic
What Uncle Sam Really Wants



“The enormous gap between what US leaders do in the world and what Americans think their leaders are doing is one of the great propaganda accomplishments of the dominant political mythology.” — Michael Parenti
Political scientist and author of
Inventing Reality: The Politics of News Media



The Party claimed, of course, to have liberated the proles from bondage. . . . In reality very little was known about the proles. It was not necessary to know much. So long as they continued to work and breed, their other activities were without importance. Left to themselves, like cattle turned loose upon the plains of Argentina, they had reverted to a style of life that appeared to be natural to them, a sort of ancestral pattern. They were born, they grew up in the gutters, they went to work at twelve, they passed through a brief blossoming period of beauty and sexual desire, they married at twenty, they were middle-aged at thirty, they died, for the most part, at sixty. Heavy physical work, the care of home and children, petty quarrels with neighbors, films, football, beer, and, above all, gambling filled up the horizon of their minds. To keep them in control was not difficult.
—George Orwell, 1984

Researchers have discovered that approximately 13% of the population understand the process of 'reasoning' an problem solving through observation. The other 87% simply want to give their "opinion" on the matter, however ill-informed they may be. This was first observed during WWI when it was realized that by keeping the masses distracted while disseminating their own propaganda, the vast majority believed what they were hearing was fact. In 1917 just prior to the United States entering the war, 94% of the British working class had no idea what they were fighting for. Not ironically, when President Bush went to war with Iraq, violating the constitution, 87% of Americans were for the war.

This power of manipulation is called the 'power of public Opinion.' An excerpt form Walter Lippman, a father of propaganda, in his book "Public Opinion", states,

"Public opinion deals with indirect, unseen and puzzling facts, and there is nothing obvious about them. The situations to which public opinion refers are known only as opinions, pictures inside heads of human beings, pictures of themselves, of others, of their needs, purposes and relationships, are their public opinions. These pictures which are acted up upon by groups are PUBLIC OPINION with capital letters. The picture inside the head often misleads men in their dealings with the world outside their heads."

Lippman work closely in this research with Edward Bernays who wrote two influential books in the field called, "Crystallizing Public Opinion" and "Propaganda". In the latter we read this telling passage,

"we are governed, our minds are moulded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of. What ever attitude one chooses to take toward this condition, it remains a fact that in almost every act of our daily lives, whether in the sphere of politics or business, our social conduct or our ethical thinking, we are dominated by a relatively small number of persons, a trifling fraction of our hundred and twenty million, who understand the mental processes and social patterns of the masses. It is they who pull the wires which control the public mind, and who harness old social forces and contrive new ways to bind and guide the world."



“When I was Times bureau chief in Washington, I was a member of the League of Gentlemen ; otherwise I never would have been bureau chief. Time after time, good reporters...complained about not being able to get stories in the paper. And time after time I said to them, ‘You’re just not going to get that in the New York Times... it’s too reliant on your judgement rather than on official judgement, it’s too complex, it contradicts the official record more flagrantly than the conventions of daily journalism allow.’”

— Tom Wicker
New York Times columnist
Guardian (London), February 13, 1985
quoted in Democracy for the Few, by Michael Parenti
and “‘League of Gentlemen’ Rates Media,” by Kevin Kelly


“Following the same course that virtually every other major industry has in the last two decades, a relentless series of mergers and corporate takeovers has consolidated control of the media into the hands of a few corporate behemoths. “The result has been that an increasingly authoritarian agenda has been sold to the American people by a massive, multi-tentacled media machine that has become,
for all intents and purposes, a propaganda organ of the state.”

— David McGowan
from the introduction to Derailing Democracy

"The individual is handicapped by coming face-to-face with a conspiracy so monstrous - he simply cannot believe it exists"

- J. Edgar Hoover




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T.Ruth2power Donating Member (371 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 01:54 PM
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1. The "informing" and "educating" of the masses
has purposely created within us an attention span which exceeds the thirty second "sound bite" only with the greatest of difficulty. While it may be merely a reality of the Age of Specialization, think about the significance of the following: SOMEONE ELSE prepares, packages, and delivers to us the house we live in, the car we drive, the clothes we wear, the food we eat, the music we listen to, the entertainment we watch, and the information to which we react or not. With the exception of our "job", virtually our entire reality is prepared, packaged and delivered to us FOR OUR CONSUMPTION. We do not truly create or even participate in the bulk of what we consider our reality. Further, we have virtually no way to even verify reality except through the avenues provided us by the very people who created, packaged and delivered it to us in the first place.

The American economic engine of the past two hundred years, combined with the Rip Van Winkle act of the American soul and the brilliantly evil conspiracy of the "elite", has turned us into a nation of mercenary whores whose labors have supported unspeakable evil and whose price has been and continues to be pleasure and material prosperity.

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witchgman Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 09:49 PM
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32. It's the Matrix.
I have several times watched all 3 films back to back. Each time I better see how completely controlled we are.
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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 11:18 PM
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37. Amen to that.
And you know you can trust that statement from me; just look at my avatar.
:thumbsup:
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KillCapitalism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 01:57 PM
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2. Good post, that's why I don't get my info from the Tee-Vee anymore.
I've found that the internet is the only media that is still "free press" and that is still in danger.
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T.Ruth2power Donating Member (371 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 02:09 PM
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4. Same here
Edited on Thu Nov-01-07 02:09 PM by T.Ruth2power
Haven't watched TV for over a decade outside a few events that I went to see on a one-time basis at a friends. It's like being hypnotized I'd say.

The doors of perception are held open or closed by those who hold the keys, what we call the press. 'For a long time, propagandists have recognized that lying must be avoided,' wrote Jacques Ellul in his classic 1965 work, Propaganda: The Formation of Men's Attitudes. For the masses to believe it, 'propaganda must be based on some truth that can be said in a few words and is able to linger in the collective consciousness.'"

Excellent username you have there.

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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 12:48 AM
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46. Hypnotized indeed
Edited on Fri Nov-02-07 12:48 AM by me b zola
The first chapter in Al Gore's Assault on Reason discusses the neuropsychology of watching tv. Just in case you haven't read it yet, it truly is a wonderfully written book that is like having someone clap their hands in your face while you are in the middle of a day dream saying, "wake-up!"

Great thread, recommended.
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Richard D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 10:03 AM
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77. I've always thought . . .
. . . that the first step in a revolution would be for people to throw away their tv's. It's a totally insidious form of communication. And I'm not just talking about the "news" aspect of it. Even the entertainment portions are filled with a subtle manipulation of the mind of the watcher as to "what is so" in the consensual reality of television land. Then the television-land percolates out into the "real" world.

I haven't watched TV in over 15 years other than for a few minutes here and there when unavoidable.
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 08:30 AM
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70. "If they get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about the answers."
Thomas Pynchon, Gravity's Rainbow
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Vilis Veritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 01:58 PM
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81. A couple of my fav's from that book...
"What are the stars but points in the body of God where we insert the healing needles of our terror and longing?"

" . . it can get pretty fascist in here. . ."

and my fav?

"We have to carry on under the possibility that we die ONLY because THEY want us to: because THEY need our terror for their survival. We are their harvests..."

Thomas Pynchon, Gravity's Rainbow...

Peace.
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 08:09 AM
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85. "'They' are embracing possibilities far far beyond Nazi Germany" n/t
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 05:00 PM
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91. If everybody were unplugged at once that would be great,
Edited on Sun Nov-04-07 05:18 PM by Uncle Joe
however some must go back in to the Matrix in order to defeat it, lest they be left in ignorance as to what's being done to our brain washed brethren. Some body wiser than me once said something to the effect of in order to defeat your enemy you must know them.

One other point regarding hypnosis, all hypnosis is self hypnosis, the hypnotist is only a guide and should anyone choose not to be hypnotized, the hypnotist has no power over them.

Edit for P.S. Addendum regarding hypnosis, subliminal messages flashed so quickly as to avoid the conscious mind are a different matter as was done during the movie "Picnic" in the 1950s, when they flashed "eat popcorn drink coke" their snack bar sales soared during the movie, the public became outraged after this event and supposedly this isn't done anymore, but with the corporate media, you can never tell for sure.



Thanks for the thread, T.Ruth2power.
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kenfrequed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 02:08 PM
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3. Hmm
I agree and I wonder if people will ever wake up from their stupor.
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T.Ruth2power Donating Member (371 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 02:13 PM
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5. Just tell them who owns the media and your off and running
The tools in the arsenal of the "elite" have evolved right along with technology, but their methods have not basically changed over the centuries. Everything they do is based upon ruthless self-interest, unabashed deception, and utter disdain for the lives and well-being of the rest of the human family. To accurately comprehend the thought processes of the "elite", it is necessary to grasp their view of "the rest of humanity" as literally so much cattle. The masses are seen as incapable of utilizing the truth even if they were given it, and fit only to be manipulated to suit the fancy and pleasure of the "elite".

The sophisticated seem to like the term "social engineering". The social engineering of the "elite" includes such devices as wars, famines, the intentional spread of disease, virtually total control and manipulation of ALL governments of the earth, the control of information (education, publishing, entertainment, and news i.e., a monopoly on brainwashing), and the complete infiltration and compromising of the most socially and economically powerful institutions, such as law, commerce and banking, medicine, and religion. A careful study of public records reveals the not too surprising fact that ownerships and board of directorships of the vast majority of Corporate America are shared by a frightening and very incestuous network of families, cronies, "brothers" of secret societies, and people who are known to virtually own and control other members of "the group". Remember, if you can control something, what does it matter if someone else's name is on the ownership papers?

It cannot be overemphasized that virtually all sources of public information (from school textbooks to the evening news) are owned or controlled by the "elite". If you think you know what is going on because you read "Newsweek", watch "60 Minutes", or "Larry King", think again. So you have an advanced degree in economics, law, or political science? Sorry. You're all the worse off. Who do you think largely controlled the writing and, more importantly, the selection of your textbooks? Your brainwashing has simply been more lengthy and more sophisticated. In addition, you now have a massive ego problem which combines the arrogance of the "educated" with the insufferability of appearing to be just as duped as the "common man".
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bbgrunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 12:46 AM
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45. while I agree with your sentiments,
I believe that your statement:

"So you have an advanced degree in economics, law, or political science? Sorry. You're all the worse off. Who do you think largely controlled the writing and, more importantly, the selection of your textbooks? Your brainwashing has simply been more lengthy and more sophisticated. In addition, you now have a massive ego problem which combines the arrogance of the "educated" with the insufferability of appearing to be just as duped as the "common man"."

describes only 87 percent of those with advanced degrees. And like in the rest of the population, there are probably at least 13 percent of those with advanced degrees that manage to think critically despite their training.
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 08:26 AM
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69. I say this to rightwingers who claim there's a "liberal media"
I ask them who do they think owns "the media": Marxist, hippie collectives or one of the five corporate media conglomerates? If they say the latter, I ask them if they honestly believe these multinational, profit-driven conglomerates are run by people with a liberal political agenda or a corporatist political agenda serving elite interests.

Granted, this is overly simplified in some ways, but you can just see the "Does not compute" warning sign flash in their eyes as they try processing all of that.
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 04:12 PM
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88. When I try that they say "They want to take a break from politics."
As if the left is responsible for ugly politics, and their right winger are not.

This society is asleep.
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T.Ruth2power Donating Member (371 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 02:16 PM
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6. SUMMARY
MEDIA: Keep the adult public attention diverted away from the real social issues, and captivated by matters of no real importance.

SCHOOLS: Keep the young public ignorant of real mathematics, real economics, real law, and real history.

ENTERTAINMENT: Keep the public entertainment below a sixth grade level.

WORK: Keep the public busy, busy, busy, with no time to think; back on the farm with the other animals.

MEDIA: Keep the adult public attention diverted away from the real social issues, and captivated by matters of no real importance.

SCHOOLS: Keep the young public ignorant of real mathematics, real economics, real law, and real history.

ENTERTAINMENT: Keep the public entertainment below a sixth grade level.

WORK: Keep the public busy, busy, busy, with no time to think; back on the farm with the other animals.

Speakin' of work gotta head out with the other animals.

Solidarity folks.
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 09:40 AM
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86. So what do we do about this other than walk around with a smug sense of self-righteousness
and post images from AdBusters?

If the Machine is so all powerful, isn't it the case that arrogant vanguardist cultural critiques can't possibly exist outside the Machine? Why would the Machine let that happen if it is so effective at dictating our thoughts and desires?

For all we know, rants about too many people watching Monday Night Football serve only to pacify would be opponents of the system by encouraging them to sit idly and praise themselves for being more clever than the unwashed masses instead of constructively engaging their sisters and brothers to make positive social change. What makes you presume that your "true consciousness" isn't just an intricate form of the false consciousness experienced by the rest of us lowly peons?

Moreover could you provide some illustrative examples of real mathematics versus the false mathematics which is supposedly being taught in our schools?



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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 02:16 PM
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7. I do not want this country to be like North Korea, and have
speakers in the streets with the *prick saying we are at war, 24 hours a day, we got to stop this madness.
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Mr Rabble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 08:52 PM
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28. That isnt going to happen.
There is no need for speakers in the streets, blaring the party line.

It is already repeated inside your house, your workplace, your car. Over and over and over so as to become invisible.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 02:38 PM
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8. Great Post. Which begs the question: Why are so many DUers STILL watching CNN, MSNBC, FAUX, etc?!
I can't believe that after all the b.s. we've endured these long ugly 7 years, people around here continue to report what's being said by the lying rat bastards on T.V.

Like who the hell cares?!

The corporate media whores are full of sh*t and we all should know this by now!

Same sh*t different day.


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WheelWalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 12:51 AM
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48. Great Reply. Oh, yes. Stunning vision. Thank you . n/t
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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 02:54 PM
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9. K&R!
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 03:28 PM
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10. Timely Post....I was just thinking today about how the Media controls Candidates Performances
Edited on Thu Nov-01-07 03:28 PM by KoKo01
by mis-labeling them Debates...when they are nothing but "Q&A" Sessions for Media Bloviators to pick and choose the questions and which candidate is allowed to answer.

Unless the stress of the last decade or so has gotten to me....I seem to remember a time when each candidate had a time limit to answer and that all were called on. Of course that was before we had lage fields of candidates...but shouldn't the same rules apply now? What's changed is that the Media now runs the Campaigns deciding who is the "frontrunner" and who is serious enough to get more air time in these fake "Debates" where all is decided with either soft balls or gottcha questions.

The media decides and the Candidates are relegated to a "cattle call" where the best "hoofer" is the one who smiles and deftly deflects the question or answers in a way that the pundits can get some airtime jawboning about for the next couple of days.

Why don't both parties crack down and set their own standards for these "road shows?" Because they need the free airtime so they have to take what "free means" to the corporate whore networks.

There are so many "Debates" this year...and yet what have we really learned from them? We've learned what the media tells us we should know as they frame the answers and re-mold the candidate into the view they wish the voter to internalize.

Excellent Post.
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onethatcares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 04:34 PM
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13. they aren't debates, they're fuking commercials
if they had a bit of high school debate in them, the buttheads on the stage would be discussing real issues that pertain to us real people.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 05:46 PM
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20. I was trying to be kind...you nailed it..n/t
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TheDoorbellRang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 05:04 PM
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15. I SO agree! These aren't debates in any way, shape, or form
and yet they keep calling them that, so people have stopped pointing it out.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 05:32 PM
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17. Alterman speaks on Russert's Performance.....here......
Edited on Thu Nov-01-07 06:20 PM by KoKo01
From Eric Alterman's Blog..."Altercation"... "Media Matters."

One reason I am unnecessary today is that, well, why waste time reading me when you can read my colleague Paul Waldman on Tim Russert, here. He writes:

It substitutes the personal anecdote for the policy position, the sound-bite for the substantive answer. It distills the debate into a series of allegedly symbolic, supposedly meaningful moments that can be replayed.

This type of debate question is not about what the candidate believes and would actually do in office, but about how clever the moderator is for cornering the candidate. And above all, it takes a genuinely relevant matter (a candidate's view of the universe) and crams it through a channel by which the thoughtful candidate will be pilloried and the shallow, pandering, overly rehearsed candidate will garner praise.

I have a fantasy that at one of these moments, a candidate will say, "You know what, Tim, I'm not going to answer that question. This is serious business. And you, sir, are a disgrace. You have in front of you a group of accomplished, talented leaders, one of whom will in all likelihood be the next president of the United States. You can ask them whatever you want. And you choose to engage in this ridiculous gotcha game, thinking up inane questions you hope will trick us into saying something controversial or stupid. Your fondest hope is that the answer to your question will destroy someone's campaign. You're not a journalist, you're the worst kind of hack, someone whose efforts not only don't contribute to a better informed electorate, they make everyone dumber. So no, I'm not going to stand here and try to come up with the most politically safe Bible verse to cite. Is that the best you can do?"


A guy can dream, though. One thing Paul gets absolutely wrong, however, is the following: "Russert may be the only journalist in America who considers all his conversations with government officials off the record unless they request otherwise -- an extraordinary gift to the powerful and an inversion of ordinary journalistic practice -- but that doesn't make him an insider. Because he's from Buffalo." In fact, my experience is that this is, sadly, the norm, though this is true in part because the likes of Russert set the terms. I had a good friend who worked for a variety of congressmen for decades, and he told me that the journalists to whom he spoke would actually feel insulted if he insisted that anything be "on background." Of course everything was on background. They knew what their role was and didn't want to be reminded of it. None of them would have thought of treating a source the way that people actually imagine that sources are treated (and that we teach the students who want to be journalists in J-school).

much more at..........
http://mediamatters.org/altercation/




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bbgrunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 11:58 PM
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42. that reminds me of a quote by the
distasteful John Fund I caught on some bloviator's show just a day or so ago--he said his job as a journalist was "to shoot the wounded". I believe that was the first bit of truth I've ever heard from him.
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blues90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 03:58 PM
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11.  Everything is controlled , always has been
My entire life of 58 years has been nothing but one huge lie that I constantly tried to rebel against , I did not want to be one of the masses being told what I should be or what I should have or what I should desire .

But throught years of these controlled lies everyone has been bought and sold even if they tried to avoid it .

Most of this began with the industrial revolution and now it's out of control for we have handed them all the power . We are now the machines being controlled my the machines .
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 05:47 PM
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21. Yep! ......n/t
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go west young man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 12:31 AM
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44. To quote Pink Floyd....
Welcome my son, welcome to the machine.
Where have you been?
It's alright we know where you've been.
You've been in the pipeline, filling in time,
Provided with toys and 'Scouting for Boys'.
You brought a guitar to punish your ma,
And you didn't like school, and you
know you're nobody's fool,
So welcome to the machine.

Welcome my son, welcome to the machine.
What did you dream?
It's alright we told you what to dream.
You dreamed of a big star,
He played a mean guitar,
He always ate in the Steak Bar.
He loved to drive in his Jaguar.
So welcome to the Machine.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 04:04 PM
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12. Small matters ...


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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 05:53 PM
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23. The rug on the floor convey's an "ambience of warmth"
Edited on Thu Nov-01-07 05:57 PM by KoKo01
that may be misleading..though. ;-)'s ..But your post is chilling in that this is what it's about. Throw in a few "Sports Star Posters on the WALL"...and the image would move it beyond the silent, stillness that we might have known. "THEY" have gotten better....they now do "You TUBE" Gambling Pipe In's and that "Sports Stuff on the Wall" to legitimize........ UGH! :-(
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 04:37 PM
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14. Thank you.
This is a great OP. It is right on target.

Nominated.
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conscious evolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 05:11 PM
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16. K & R
Welcome to DU Tr2.
This is a subject that I keep a close eye on for the obvious reasons.It is nice to see others doing so also.
Any ideas on how to break the hold the mind fuck wizards have on the people?
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WheelWalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 01:39 AM
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53. Mass meditation
and harmonic chanting. The medium is the massage.
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conscious evolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 05:48 AM
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57. sam sha um
eh hee eh amanaya
yeaa ye eh eh anama

Will Shiva's transformational chants work?




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Mr Rabble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 05:40 PM
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18. Most important thread of the day.
You are giving everyone here the keys to the kingdom.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 05:42 PM
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19. Untold History of Controlling Masses Through Manipulation of Unconscious Desires


http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=8339

The Century of the Self
The Untold History of Controlling the Masses Through the Manipulation of Unconscious Desires

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country.

We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of. This is a logical result of the way in which our democratic society is organized." - Edward Bernays

THE CENTURY OF THE SELF

Adam Curtis' acclaimed series examines the rise of the all-consuming self against the backdrop of the Freud dynasty.

To many in both politics and business, the triumph of the self is the ultimate expression of democracy, where power has finally moved to the people. Certainly the people may feel they are in charge, but are they really? The Century of the Self tells the untold and sometimes controversial story of the growth of the mass-consumer society in Britain and the United States. How was the all-consuming self created, by whom, and in whose interests?

The Freud dynasty is at the heart of this compelling social history. Sigmund Freud, founder of psychoanalysis; Edward Bernays, who invented public relations; Anna Freud, Sigmund's devoted daughter; and present-day PR guru and Sigmund's great grandson, Matthew Freud.

Sigmund Freud's work into the bubbling and murky world of the subconscious changed the world. By introducing a technique to probe the unconscious mind, Freud provided useful tools for understanding the secret desires of the masses. Unwittingly, his work served as the precursor to a world full of political spin doctors, marketing moguls, and society's belief that the pursuit of satisfaction and happiness is man's ultimate goal.



Happiness Machines
Part One
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8953172273825999151&q=Happiness+Machines&total=132&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0


One: Happiness Machines

The story of the relationship between Sigmund Freud and his American nephew, Edward Bernays. Bernays invented the public relations profession in the 1920s and was the first person to take Freud's ideas to manipulate the masses. He showed American corporations how they could make people want things they didn't need by systematically linking mass-produced goods to their unconscious desires.

Bernays was one of the main architects of the modern techniques of mass-consumer persuasion, using every trick in the book, from celebrity endorsement and outrageous PR stunts, to eroticising the motorcar.

His most notorious coup was breaking the taboo on women smoking by persuading them that cigarettes were a symbol of independence and freedom. But Bernays was convinced that this was more than just a way of selling consumer goods. It was a new political idea of how to control the masses. By satisfying the inner irrational desires that his uncle had identified, people could be made happy and thus docile.

It was the start of the all-consuming self which has come to dominate today's world.



The Engineering of Consent
Part Two
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-678466363224520614&q=The+Engineering+of+Consent&total=52&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0


Two: The Engineering of Consent

The programme explores how those in power in post-war America used Freud's ideas about the unconscious mind to try and control the masses.

Politicians and planners came to believe Freud's underlying premise - that deep within all human beings were dangerous and irrational desires and fears. They were convinced that it was the unleashing of these instincts that had led to the barbarism of Nazi Germany. To stop it ever happening again they set out to find ways to control this hidden enemy within the human mind.

Sigmund Freud's daughter, Anna, and his nephew, Edward Bernays, provided the centrepiece philosophy. The US government, big business, and the CIA used their ideas to develop techniques to manage and control the minds of the American people. But this was not a cynical exercise in manipulation. Those in power believed that the only way to make democracy work and create a stable society was to repress the savage barbarism that lurked just under the surface of normal American life.



There is a Policeman Inside All Our Heads:
He Must Be Destroyed
Part Three
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6111922724894802811&q=There+is+a+Policeman+Inside+All+Our+Heads%3A&total=25&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0


Three: There is a Policeman Inside All Our Heads: He Must Be Destroyed

In the 1960s, a radical group of psychotherapists challenged the influence of Freudian ideas in America. They were inspired by the ideas of Wilhelm Reich, a pupil of Freud's, who had turned against him and was hated by the Freud family. He believed that the inner self did not need to be repressed and controlled. It should be encouraged to express itself.

Out of this came a political movement that sought to create new beings free of the psychological conformity that had been implanted in people's minds by business and politics.

This programme shows how this rapidly developed in America through self-help movements like Werber Erhard's Erhard Seminar Training - into the irresistible rise of the expressive self: the Me Generation.

But the American corporations soon realised that this new self was not a threat but their greatest opportunity. It was in their interest to encourage people to feel they were unique individuals and then sell them ways to express that individuality. To do this they turned to techniques developed by Freudian psychoanalysts to read the inner desires of the new self.



Eight People Sipping Wine in Kettering
Part Four
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1122532358497501036&q=Eight+People+Sipping+Wine+in+Kettering&total=8&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0


Four: Eight People Sipping Wine in Kettering

This episode explains how politicians on the left, in both Britain and America, turned to the techniques developed by business to read and fulfil the inner desires of the self.

Both New Labour, under Tony Blair, and the Democrats, led by Bill Clinton, used the focus group, which had been invented by psychoanalysts, in order to regain power. They set out to mould their policies to people's inner desires and feelings, just as capitalism had learnt to do with products.

Out of this grew a new culture of public relations and marketing in politics, business and journalism. One of its stars in Britain was Matthew Freud who followed in the footsteps of his relation, Edward Bernays, the inventor of public relations in the 1920s.

The politicians believed they were creating a new and better form of democracy, one that truly responded to the inner feelings of individual. But what they didn't realise was that the aim of those who had originally created these techniques had not been to liberate the people but to develop a new way of controlling them.
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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 07:50 PM
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25. I'm kicking and bookmarking this
What you've got here is incredible! and should be expounded on to say the least!
keep up this good work, for me to take notice of this is proof that you have cast your net far!
Peace...
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TroubleMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 08:38 PM
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27. You posted that before, I bookmarked, and then lost it.

I've been looking to watch that for over a week. Thanks for reposting.

As a thanks, check out this video on exponential growth:

http://edison.ncssm.edu/programs/colloquia/bartlett.ram

It's by Dr. Albert Bartlett, Professor Emeritus of Physics, University of Colorado at Boulder, in this video speaking at the North Carolina School of Science and Mathematics in 2004. It's a different subject from your post, but trust me, you'll be glad you'll watched it.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 09:08 PM
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29. Thanks so much
:hi:

I'm watching it now
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 11:54 PM
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40. great list -- bookmarking for later.
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SecularMotion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 05:55 AM
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59. I just bought Bernay's book "Propaganda" last week
after watching parts 1 & 2 of "Century of the Self".

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T.Ruth2power Donating Member (371 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 03:31 PM
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84. Just wanted to thank you
for this excellent post.

I will read and watch the videos later.

Electronic Heroin

According to the Washington Post, Terence McKenna's FOOD OF THE GODS "Deserves to be the modern classic on mind-altering drugs and hallucinogens." In this modern classic, McKenna convinces us that television is emotionally equivalent to electronic heroin: "The nearest analogy to the addictive power of television and the transformation of values that is wrought in the life of the heavy user is probably heroin. Heroin flattens the image; with heroin, things are neither hot nor cold; the junkie looks out at the world certain that what ever it is, it does not matter. The illusion of knowing and of control that heroin engenders is analogous to the unconscious assumption of the television consumer that what is seen is 'real' somewhere in the world. In fact, what is seen are the cosmetically enhanced surfaces of products. Television, while chemically non-invasive, nevertheless is every bit as addicting and physiologically damaging as any other drug.

"Most unsettling of all is this: the content of television is not a vision but a manufactured data stream that can be sanitized to 'protect' or impose cultural values. Thus we are confronted with an addictive and all-pervasive drug that delivers an experience whose message is whatever those who deal the drug wish it to be. Could anything provide a more fertile ground for fostering fascism and totalitarianism than this? In the United States, there are many more televisions than households, the average television set is on six hours a day, and the average person watches more than five hours a day—nearly one-third of their waking time. Aware as we all are of these simple facts, we seem unable to react to their implications. Serious study of the effects of television on health and culture has only begun recently. Yet no drug in history has so quickly or completely isolated the entire culture of its users from contact with reality. And no drug in history has so completely succeeded in remaking in its own image the values of the culture that it has infected.

"Television is by nature the dominator drug par excellence. Control of content, uniformity of content, repeatability of content make it inevitably a tool of coercion, brainwashing, and manipulation. Television induces a trance state in the viewer that is the necessary precondition for brainwashing. As with all other drugs and technologies, television's basic character cannot be changed; television is no more reformable than is the technology that produces automatic assault rifles."

http://dieoff.org/page21.htm
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Mike03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 05:48 PM
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22. This post makes my day.
Thank you for the urgent and important reminder.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 05:57 PM
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24. Good post, thanks. n/t
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 07:56 PM
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26. Excellent post! K & R!
How about giving those kids some healthcare, too. Just kidding. Your sigline kicks ass. Simple and to the point.
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Fierce Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 09:11 PM
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30. Could someone please explain to me just how
Edited on Thu Nov-01-07 09:11 PM by Fierce
the massive multi-tentacled media machine gets the message from the state, down through the publishers and managing editors, to the desk editors and reporters, down to the copy desk, and the printers and pressmen, every single day?

ETA: Speaking only of the newspapers, of course.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 09:35 PM
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31. Straw man.
First, there is no need for coordination at that level.
Second, you assume that the state is the source, rather than in large measure being the puppet of the true masters, the corporations.
Third, they intently watch each other. How long did it take for the Dean Scream to be everywhere? The Hillary cackle? The Swiftboaters? The machine may have many tentacles, but only a few heads.
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go west young man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 12:48 AM
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47. Great point. Obviously there is coordination going on as they
"report" the same news day after day in the same fashion on a number of different networks. In the true capitalist model they would compete and report different "news". They don't.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 10:35 PM
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33. And this is why I love the internet.
A chance to break through the manipulation.
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2 Much Tribulation Donating Member (522 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 10:40 PM
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34. Very worthwhile post and collection of quotes, thank you for this! nt
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 11:06 PM
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35. Welcome to DU! Great photo at the top of your post -
Nice upright suited man, blinded and deafened. But with the proper neckwear.

Linda Ellerbee once expressed sympathy for all men who have to wake up in the morning and get dressed and in effect put a noose around their necks every day.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 11:11 PM
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36. "...they may set themselves to change it.”
or setjust themselves on fire.
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 11:40 PM
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38. WELCOME to DU!!!! Proud to make the 47th K&R to your thread!
BHN:thumbsup:
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bbgrunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 11:46 PM
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39. if it really is 87 percent, either all our efforts at
Edited on Fri Nov-02-07 12:02 AM by bbgrunt
education have failed miserably, or we have regressed back to a rather brutish time where information was much less available to the average person. I would like to think that at some point, maybe the 50's through the 70's were different, but maybe the media masters just had a different agenda.

I really want to dispute that figure, but the events of the past 7 years give me no ammunition. If 87 percent of people are truly incapable of seeing a bigger picture, then I fear we are doomed and Hillary will be the next president if we have an election.......and yet, every so often, when things get desperate enough there is a spark of popular opinion and resolve that overturns these dastardly efforts.

The problem today is that we are flooded with so many official lies and confusion that one must spend an horrific amount of energy sorting through the crap to understand the big big lie that is the media these days.

Long live the truthseekers and thank you for this great post. k and r
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 12:51 AM
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50. So many, many of those who will be voting in 2008
Edited on Fri Nov-02-07 12:54 AM by truedelphi
Have no sense of the true parties that made up this Country's political structure just 40 years ago.

The Republicans are now a sort of American Taliban, spouting belief in GOd and promising that this belief will guide them indetermining every policy tht exists, from abortion to stem cell research to the concept that the "Godless" Muslims ae infidels that we must crusade against and kill, and kill and crusade against for the next 100 years.

Hillary's stance on most issues now labels her a Nixon-era Republican.

So the Powers that be have now structured our society such that it is not Nixon vs Kennedy, and all that came immediately after Kennedy - Robert Kennedy, Martin Luther King, a full examination of the wars our Empire says it must fight etc. but rather the American Taliban against a female Nixon.

It's no wonder that Studs Terkel says that "the coup is complete." It is. (Hear him interviewed at
http://tinyurl.com/36c5fx )

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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 11:57 PM
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41. welcome and thankyou for the inspiration.
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f the letter Donating Member (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 12:24 AM
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43. Great post
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 12:51 AM
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49. Thanks, great post and welcome to DU
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Dewlso Donating Member (74 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 01:04 AM
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51. I think it goes without saying.
Most people have begun to have a distrust for "news networks". Especially after the 2000 election. The faux noise channel has become such a blatant propaganda network controlled by bush and his minions, that I am amazed that anyone considers them reliable. How they get away with the amounts of misinformation they put out on a daily basis, I just dont know. Brian Killemeade said last week that we had 0 casualties in Iraq for the week. Why wasn't he fired? Why is he still employed? It's all about spinning the truth for bush. I watch Keith Olbermann for news and local news. I rarely watch a "network" broadcast.
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WheelWalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 01:32 AM
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52. Red pill or blue pill? How many actually want
to wake up from the dream and smell the coffee?

Many are unwilling to trade their stuporous dreams for the nightmare of reality.
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 02:51 AM
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55. I know the nightmare
I took the red pill,I had to take it or die.Denial is not an option for me.
Trauma can force you to wake up real fast.
Being aware does not exclude you from the pain of empathy if that is in your nature,so it hurts pretty damn bad to be alive in this sick fucked up existence sometimes. Creativity in the chaos and navigating the abyss can be excruciating .Freedom and protecting an inner locus of control from manipulators is a terrible burden. I cannot live with myself in any other way..
note my sig lines..
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 02:31 AM
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54. Some useful tactical defenses against propaganda mindfucks...
Edited on Fri Nov-02-07 02:44 AM by undergroundpanther
All good sites...Check them out
http://www.cognitiveliberty.org/1jcl/1jcl7.htm
http://deoxy.org/ct/index.htm
http://world-information.org/trd?trdid=A
how the mega churches do it...
http://www.sacred-texts.com/bos/bos114.htm
http://www.successfulschizophrenia.org/

Your mind is your own,So learn how to keep it that way...YOURS and yours alone.You can filter what goes in with doubt with questioning, and even stating the opposite view than the one presented to you by making a contrary statement,deliberately..You can control what comes out of your mouth, and you can control for yourself,what of others thoughts or communications you decide accept as part of your inner paradigms and what is bullshit.It is our right to have a mind of our own and develop it. Dr.Jose Delgado an asshole control freak shrink, told the congress that.. we do NOT have a right to develop our own minds..I would have punched him in the face for saying that shit if I was in congress that day..
This is cognitive freedom.And to oppose an opressor and remove abusers of power from, positions of power is a product of a cognitively free person.Many people are not aware of how unaware they really are of being unaware of how unaware they are in regards to being manipulated.
Freedom to disagree ,agree or even not give a rats ass,and everything in between and extreme..That is freedom and for control freaks freedom especially cognitive freedom is what they fear most. Win the hearts and minds the bodies will helplessly follow.
Or else force the bodies through threats abuse or deprivation than the heart and mind will bend to the will of the manipulator.One way or another you end up with the same result a mind in shackles a heart's passion bound,a person not free..
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Ghost Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 04:00 AM
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56. Entertainment Empire
http://www.guardian.co.uk/dumb/story/0,,393990,00.html

A decade or two ago, one used to think an "entertainment empire" was an incidental, if highly profitable, aspect of serious political power and control. Now big corporations wield more power than national governments, and it is in their interest to make the world safe for shopping by promoting a pseudo-democratic "culture" where obedient workers obtain their rewards by consuming movies, TV, music, fashions, cigarettes and foods, and by making other "lifestyle" expenditures. "Rebellion" is part of the package of associated values offered with every purchase, but mostly within what would in the 70s have been called "the system", in the form of the rock star's circumscribed individual bravado rather than political or social protest.

Yet it is likely that sooner or later there will be some form of more organised resistance to these new kinds of imperialism. In fact some of the most conspicuous recent mainstream Hollywood movies themselves seem to smuggle in a measure of ironic criticism of the processes by which they are made and purveyed. The Richard Gere thriller Red Corner (1998) was about Western media corporations moving into the huge, corrupt new market of Communist China, and its lawyer-hero ends by rejecting his work for a US corporation and telling the US embassy to "Go to hell". The Bond movie Tomorrow Never Dies (1997) had Jonathan Pryce as its villain, a Murdoch-like conspirator for world media domination. The Truman Show (1998) and The Matrix (1999), like Paul Verhoeven's Total Recall a few years back, are allegories of false consciousness, whose heroes are called to wake up to the illusoriness of the constructed world they only seem to inhabit, and, somehow, to dissolve it and break out.

Furthermore, it does not seem that the main reason for Hollywood's return to the Roman Empire as a subject in Ridley Scott's Gladiator is that CGI technology now allows one to fill in the missing bits of the Coliseum and crowd it with cheap digitally rendered extras. The sprawling, ethnically diverse Roman world the film presents holds many parallels with the US empire of today. In particular, its genuine traditions of representative government have given way to crazed despotism and the bloody mass-entertainment displays of the gladiatorial ring.

It is surely no coincidence that one of Gladiator's writers, John Logan, also wrote Oliver Stone's thuggish football movie Any Given Sunday. Both films, themselves crowd-pleasing spectacles of violence, offer a consciously wishful fantasy-ending in which the battered hero remembers the authentic values which have become degraded. He then heroically re-establishes them in the very arena where the corrupt regime - for Stone, it is television - most potently displays its power. The edge of desperation in all these films suggests the traumatic, trapped condition of the citizen of today's world, who has nowhere else to go and for whom the globe is like the bubble that repeatedly and inescapably swallows up Patrick McGoohan in The Prisoner (a source, surely, for The Truman Show). And it is all too plausible to see the films themselves as swallowed up by the system they may be trying to criticise, reinserted into the industry of human interest and indiscriminate sensation (the "culture") that helps to distract the people of the globe from realising how they stand.

/...


See also eg: http://www.turnoffyourtv.com/
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 05:50 AM
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58. Great post
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 06:07 AM
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60. This is our biggest problem. 90% of the posts at DU are based on false information.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 06:54 AM
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61. Well spoken, from one of the boys
"The individual is handicapped by coming face-to-face with a conspiracy so monstrous - he simply cannot believe it exists"

- J. Edgar Hoover

He knew well what the conspiracy was because he was one of the architects of that very conspiracy.
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4_TN_TITANS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 07:02 AM
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62. just...WOW! great thread. n/t
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Nitrogenica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 07:37 AM
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63. Great post.
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 07:38 AM
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64. Thank you, your OP and this thread are like water for a parched throat...
:kick: MKJ
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NoFederales Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 07:54 AM
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65. Great one! nt
NoFederales
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 08:00 AM
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66. Thank you for this post. rec'd
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 08:04 AM
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67. Affirmation, repetition and contagion.

"When it is proposed to imbue the mind of a crowd with ideas and belief--with modern social theories, for instance--the leaders have recourse to different expedients. The principal of them are three in number, and clearly defined--

* affirmation

* repetition, and

* contagion


"Affirmation pure and simple, kept free of all reasoning and all proof, is one of the surest means of making an idea enter the minds of crowds. . . .

"Affirmation, however, has no real influence unless it be repeated, and so far as possible in the same terms. The influence of repetition is due to the fact that the repeated statement is embedded in the long run in the profound regions of our unconscious selves, in which the motives of our actions are forged. . .

" When an affirmation has been sufficiently repeated, and there is unanimity in its repetition, what is called a current of opinion is formed, and the powerful mechanism of contagion intervenes."

Gustav Le Bon, The Crowd, 1896

http://www.hermes-press.com/le_bon.htm
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 08:12 AM
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68. Wow. Just wow. Thank you so much for this.
One of the best posts I've read here in a while. You've given me a lot of leads I want to follow up on.

Welcome to DU! :hi:
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 08:34 AM
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71. ttt
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Bohemianwriter Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 08:38 AM
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72. Brilliant deduction
That's e Truthwhy no major "newspaper" would never dare hiring me. I'd be a loose canon and a teller of the Truth in ways that not even Dr. Gonzo would dare tell. Billo on his spin zone would never dare having me on the show, since I'd spew out insulting Truths that would give him nightmares to Kingdom come...

Which brings me to another wee subject. How many of you really believe that H.S.Thompson actually put the bullet in his mouth by himself? After seing some footage, and a little backround story on what he was doing at the time, I've stopped believing in the official story about him killing himself. I believe that he was working on a story way too important to just blow his brains out when he was in the process of writing.

Any thoughts?
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ringtailtooter Donating Member (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 08:41 AM
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73. Yes, An Excellent and Timely Post
A subject of personal interest to me as well. I wrote a letter to editor of my local paper a few months ago about the countless millions the Bush Administration has spent on propaganda. They hire the top PR firms to spread stories and talking points to all MSM, educational systems and print media. I received several positive responses and an invitation to speak on talk radio.

I've noticed in what little network sitcoms and dramas I watch, they ever-so-subtly weave social control, cultural molding and pro-capitalist/anti-socialist messages within the dialog.

We have to hold on to the internet and book presses to maintain any reasonable assurance of untainted news.
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windoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 08:42 AM
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74.  ~highly recommended~
Edited on Fri Nov-02-07 08:44 AM by windoe
This made my morning, thank you T.Ruthtopower for this post!!! This is why freedom of speech is the first amendment--the founding fathers had a clue. Thank you for presenting this subject in a clear and sane manner, it is very important.
I unplugged from cable in 2003, finally becoming very uncomfortable with the ticker tape across the bottom news format, especially the screens with at least 6 things going on at the same time, the bright flashinig light with faster and faster short bits of partial information--and headaches after watching for short periods of time. Now commercials seem to come less than every 5 minutes, I am old enough to remember them coming on in 15 or 20 minute intervals, all at once.
I came across an interesting article, written by Dick Sutphen, Battle for Your Mind, who is a professional hypnotist, online in the late 90's, giving a short history of brain washing techniques and hypnotism. I am not by any means anti religion, but have found the televangelical movement disturbing, since there is so much money involved. This article points out that there was a method of preaching, speaking at a certain (hypnotic) cadence, discovered in the 1700's by accident, that turned out to be very successful in gaining converts. Since this man is a hypnotist by trade, he recognizes the signs of trance, dialated pupils, slack jaw, ect. and says many people in these televangelical audiences have no doubt been hypnotized, making them 25 times more succeptable to suggestion. There is nothing wrong with being on a spiritual path, but the use of these methods seem to me a bit underhanded. Also I do not deny that other major religions use trance to alter their awareness and pray. It is just the lack of consent I have a problem with.
Brain washing techniques are more like being used in cults and boot camp-isolation, disruption of daily routines, sensory overload, ect.
People deny that they can be hypnotized, when they merely do not notice when they are, or have been. Just mentioning hypnotism evokes ridicule, since it is associated with magicians and side shows. But a hypnotic state is merely being triggered into a deeper alpha or theta state, which happens to us naturally at different times of the day, or while watching TV. It can be addictive since it feels so good. People feel high after spending time in alpha, after meditating, chanting, doing art or going to church. Trance is in itself not harmful if the experience did not involve gaining harmful information. But if someone were to, lets say, spend hours in a trance playing a game hunting humans with guns, or was being told how to vote or being encouraged to be more fearful and bigoted, this is different.
It is imperative in a time when screens and speakers are becoming larger and able to convey more information in a shorter amount of time, to at least detect when we are being manipulated. It seems that we have lost this ability, at our own peril. This is a serious subject, and not something to make fun of and dismiss.

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T.Ruth2power Donating Member (371 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 02:35 PM
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83. I wanted to reply to the concept of trance
Edited on Fri Nov-02-07 02:36 PM by T.Ruth2power
I came across this essay while putting together this thread. It's called, "The Influence of Trance in Democracy", and I'll post the final few paragraphs of this short essay:

When a synthetic reality is perceived on television or at a movie in which the viewer is in a trance and the synthetic reality is composed of an emotionally intense story, additional cognitive demands are made on our emotional integrating abilities. These demands further reduce or disable critical judgment cognitive abilities among others. When, for example, people are in a state of terror, attention is narrowed and perceptions are altered. Peripheral detail, context, and time sense fall away, while attention is strongly focused on central detail in the immediate present. When the focus of attention is extremely narrow, cognitive thought objects repeat and a trance is created. When a trance is created, certain cognitive functions are disabled and these may produce profound perceptual distortion, including insensitivity to pain, depersonalization, time slowing and amnesia. Greed, deception and violence flourishes in such a mental atmosphere.

Because of the prevalence and intensity of synthetic images in our culture, synthetic imagery may be at this point in our cultural time in a strong competitive position with our ordinary reality. Some people already have a real problem in distinguishing between ordinary reality and synthetic reality. They would argue that the synthetic reality is as real as ordinary reality because the emotions and memories are equivalently real. As synthetic reality becomes more sophisticated and impinges upon more senses in a more complete way, and as trance is more fully understood and abused, it will no longer be possible for most people to distinguish between ordinary and synthetic realities. Among children who grow up with more television hours than hours with real people, this may already be the case.

The issue of a 'false memory' thus becomes easy to understand as a natural result of trance and the synthetic reality of electronic media..

What effect does trance have on democracy? How can a person in a trance, with critical judgment and other cognitive functions virtually disabled and with a plethora of delusions based on false memories be expected to make rational decisions or reasoned judgments affecting vital social, economic, legislative or political issues? Indeed, the normal television viewer in a trance is unable to concentrate on the issues, and becomes nothing more than a disenfranchised slave to the rulers.

Adolph Hitler once said, "What luck for the rulers that men cannot think."

For a democracy to work and the enchantment to end, men must be able to think critically. In thinking critically, love, truth, compassion and forgiveness can also thrive and those rulers whose god is greed, arrogance, deception and violence can never survive.


http://www.trance.ch/papers/aprosex.html



It's good to know that there are many people here who are awake. What an interesting and informative discussion, wish I had more time to have participated as it was playing out.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 09:45 AM
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75. 13%... *sigh*
:applause:
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stirlingsliver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 09:49 AM
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76. I Give Up. I Surrender.
It's just hopeless to resist The Power Elite.

I give up.

All I want is food, water, a place to live, healthcare, and clothing.

They can do whatever they want.

It's just hopeless to resist them.
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Stalwart Donating Member (180 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 10:17 AM
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78. The 87%
Edited on Fri Nov-02-07 10:33 AM by Stalwart
"Researchers have discovered that approximately 13% of the population understand the process of 'reasoning' an problem solving through observation. The other 87% simply want to give their "opinion" on the matter, however ill-informed they may be."

That 87% opinion is important because it tells what people agree with.

I think that 87% of what is written on DU is response to the 13% of DU that really says something. The original message said something and made it to the top.

Thanks to the 13% who added to the original message. That is what I look for on DU. Thanks to those that give it. Not to say that the 87% are not reasoning and problem solving but that their comments just don't add much except confirmation. Consensus from the choir is interesting and sometimes amusing and I don't mean to say that it is ill informed, especially here, of course. I scroll the responses for something that really develops and extends the original contribution. Most often longer than an eom, not always.

I would rather read 13 good contributions than 87 eoms (or eom type) and they are easy to find.

So: What is the split on DU regarding reasoned problem solving through observation? So much better than the average?

An added edit: Thanks to those who made a comment of any type on the original message, even a kick, that resulted in pushing it to the forefront.
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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 12:19 PM
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79. Humanity hasn't changed much.
Just like the fucked up old days, only the jester dared to speak the truth - because nobody would take him seriously.
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jus_the_facts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 12:33 PM
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80. Jim Garrison once said in regard to JFK's murder...." it will come in the name of your security....
....they call it "National Security," it
will come with the mass media
manipulating a clever concentration
camp of the mind. The super state
will provide you tranquility above
the truth, the super state will make
you believe you are living in the
best of all possible worlds, and in
order to do so will rewrite history
as it sees fit."
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Vilis Veritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 02:01 PM
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82. The only TV I watch is here on DU...
I would neve see any Olberman or debates otherwise...

Peace.
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jeffrey_X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 10:46 AM
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87. "you've been living in a dream world, Neo"
eom
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 04:26 PM
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89. "Reality vs perception management: the tinfoil controversy" (archived DU thread from 1-6-2006)
For the record-psychological warfare operations and propaganda conducted in The United States of America were illegal prior to the installation of this criminal administration...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x71919
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conscious evolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 04:48 PM
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90. Consume Compete Breed Conform Fear
These seem to be the main messages the media keep pushing.One can see at least one of these themes in every song,commercial,news article,movie and TV show.
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