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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 10:38 AM
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Yes or No - does Hillary support illegal aliens being issued a DL?
Her answer to this question remains cloudy from here.

I am not a Hillary supporter, but I am a dedicated Democrat. I would advise her camp (or Hillary directly) to issue an unequivocal and clear statement to clarify this question. If she ends up being our nominee, I believe taking a stand allowing undocumented aliens to get a DL will hurt our Party's chances in the General. If she is for it, better to build a case now - rather then next fall.

This debate not go away and although there are far more pressing concerns out there, she needs to clear the smoke on the DL question ASAP.
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 10:40 AM
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1. Yes she does.
No she doesn't.

Yes she does.

No she doesn't.

Yes she does.

No she doesn't.

Yes she does.

No she doesn't.

Yes she does.

No she doesn't.

Yes she does.

No she doesn't.

Yes she does.

No she doesn't.

Yes she does.

No she doesn't.

Yes she does.

No she doesn't.

Yes she does.

No she doesn't.

Yes she does.

No she doesn't.

Yes she does.

Which way is the wind blowing? I guess only her hairdresser knows for sure. :shrug:
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 10:52 AM
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10. Memo to Edwards supporters: Stay away from the word "hairdresser".(eom)
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 11:48 AM
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15. Memo to HRC supporters: Stay away from the phrase 'honest answer'
eom
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 01:02 PM
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17. Is that all you've got? That is a non issue.
How much does Hillary spend at the hairdresser? All those highlights and keeping the gray roots concealed don't come cheap, ya know...

:rofl:
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 03:43 PM
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33. Hill's gotten some gray because she's been working overtime in service to the public. Meanwhile,
Edwards has been on a four-year self-promotion junket. Temporary rest stops at his palacial country home has kept him young looking.
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Zywiec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 01:30 PM
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25. LOL n/t
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Labors of Hercules Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 10:41 AM
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2. It isn't a Federal issue.
It doesn't matter what her stand is, as this is an issue for State Governors, not the POTUS.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 10:43 AM
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4. Then she should say that.
But she doesn't say that. She says "it makes sense."
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footinmouth Donating Member (630 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 10:46 AM
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7. It matters to me
Right now, she is not POTUS, she is a senator from the state of New York and as a resident of that state, I'd like a statement, one way or another.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 10:42 AM
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3. "It makes sense." and she supports it
except when she doesn't.
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footinmouth Donating Member (630 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 10:43 AM
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5. She needs to answer this
I am leaning towards supporting her, but she really needs to answer this. She either supports it or she doesn't. It's not that hard. Since she represents the state of NY, there's really no ducking this one. The public is in an uproar over this one and it's even spilled over into our local elections. Our race for County Clerk has become toxic. If she supports this, she needs to convince me why.
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 10:44 AM
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6. Has Obama made a statement on that
guess not...he has to wait til he finds out which way the wind is blowing. He'll sit another one out.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 10:47 AM
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He supports it.
And he said so during the debate. Get a clue before you run your mouth.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 10:47 AM
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8. whats everyone elses position?
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tesla78 Donating Member (68 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 10:49 AM
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9. If it's good for the NAU, it's good for Hillary
I read somewhere that she is a supporter of the NAU(North American Union). A borderless North America is part of the NAU agenda.
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Mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 10:53 AM
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11. I support it. They still drive license or not. If they get a license at least they are made aware
of the driving laws. They would also have to get insurance here in CA. Now they drive usually 5 mph under the speed limit uninsured and afraid of getting stopped by a cop.

But then why make it easier for a person to survive?
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winter999 Donating Member (530 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 11:46 AM
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14. Can't you make the same argument for repeat DUI offenders?
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Mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 11:49 AM
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16. I can't. The illegals are not risking my life when they drive. They are trying to make a
living. Drunk drivers are uncaring self centerd bastards and I use to be one of them.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 10:55 AM
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12. They are going to drive regardless of a DL or not.


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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 11:23 AM
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13. I'm for the idea
I think it has potential to do more good than harm.
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 01:06 PM
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18. Could it be that the issue is too complex for a simple "yes" or "no"?
Oversimplification and black-and-white thinking are not her style. She's a policy wonk! I suspect there are variations on these policies and numerous "ins and outs" that she (and we) may not have fully considered yet.

Some seem to demand that Hillary give simple answers to complex questions and then castigate her when she won't do it.
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 01:28 PM
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24. Alas, John Q. Public needs to keep it simple...
We at DU are political junkies, but most folks are not into the nuances like we are.

Middle America wants to know and a simple YES or NO will need to suffice.

IMO, if she supports a DL for undocumented folks - it will have a BIG impact on how our party's potential nominee is perceived. It will not be good.
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 01:37 PM
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27. *Any* kind of DL is automatically completely bad, though?
Don't get me wrong, maybe it is. But what about a clever kind that could actually contribute to locating and controlling these people? Couldn't there be different levels of use? Also, why is Spitzer for it in the first place? Is he crazy or something? (I really don't know, having not followed this specific issue.)
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 01:07 PM
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19. As Jon Stewart says, she "Opports it"
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 01:12 PM
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20. Judging from other threads...
the really important question is does she support aliens from outer space being issued a UFO flying licence?
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Dr. Strange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 01:14 PM
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21. RiverStone, do you understand basic logic?
If so, here's your answer:

RiverStone asks, "Does Hillary support illegal aliens being issued a DL?"

Hillary's Answer:
If (RiverStone supports illegal aliens being issued a DL) then
print ("Yes, I support illegal aliens being issued a DL.")
else
print ("No, I do not support illegal aliens being issued a DL.")

PS This works for everyone. Simply replace RiverStone with your own name.

PPS This also works with many other campaign issues.
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 01:47 PM
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28. Ummm, if I understand your question...
Yes I do or No I don't. Maybe...:hi:
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Dr. Strange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 01:50 PM
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29. No, no, that's fuzzy logic!
We don't likes the fuzzy math!

:patriot:
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 01:15 PM
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22. Has she said the issue is complicated, thereby
giving a non-answer to the question or something similar? I missed the debate other than sound bytes played by other media.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 01:17 PM
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23. that's a definite maybe.
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 01:31 PM
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26. Bloody hell this is a STUPID issue.
Yes, they should have drivers licenses and insurance.

A drivers license is not some god damned sort of prize given out by Uncle Sam that establishes your right to smoke and drink and fuck and salute the U.S. flag. It's simply a necessary nuisance.

Anyone who has ever been in an accident with an uninsured unlicensed undocumented alien can tell you what a huge bother it is for everyone involved.

The police hate this shit, the insurance companies hate this shit, and the licensed drivers in the accident hate this shit.

Been there, done that.

Anyone who is driving should have a license and it makes no sense to deny anyone who actually lives and drives in a state a drivers license if they can pass the driving tests.

If the DMV or whatever state agency issues drivers licenses was blind to immigration status it would save everyone a lot of hassle.

Instead our bogus Federal government wants to use drivers licenses as some kind of national ID.

"Papers please..."

Fuck that. If you want everyone to carry papersand live in a good little fascist state, issue internal passports to every citizen and harass anyone who refuses to carry them.

:grr:
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 01:54 PM
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30. Yes, and I agree with her. n/t
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 02:00 PM
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31. No candidate that discriminates against working people
Edited on Thu Nov-01-07 02:00 PM by sfexpat2000
will get my vote, no matter how their PR people frame it.

Also, no candidate who panders to xenophobia will get my vote.

It's not a popular position. But then, neither was emancipation or admitting Jewish immigrants to your country during the Holocaust.

There are some positions that are just BAD public policy and also, BAD humanitarian policy.
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 02:02 PM
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32. It depends
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 03:46 PM
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34. Yes, she does and I agree
It's just sheer stupidity to have people on the road with 1 - 2 ton steel/plastic machines and don't know the rules of the road. It's a public safety issue.
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