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JMDEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 10:42 PM
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Like, DUH... to Hillary or not to Hillary...
What is the biggest threat to our democracy today?

I believe it is corporatism bordering on fascism. I think just about everyone at DU recognizes this. As Edwards and Kucinich and other (non-Hillary) candidates have pointed out -- WE are not represented by our elected officials anymore. The corporations are. And they don't really give a flying F about us. The whole system is corrupted.

Who is getting most of the corporate support? Hillary.

Who do the corporations want? Hillary. (Or perhaps they want Hillary as the Democratic candidate so that a Republican wins again. Either way, by piling money on her, they win, and we lose.)

And why are so many people vehemently opposed to Hillary? Well, listening to the Hillary supporters, it is because she is a woman, or because she is not our favorite candidate, or it is because she is apparently the front runner, or... whatever.

WHY does it remain a such mystery to the pro-Hillary people why the anti-Hillary people are so opposed to her???? The equation is simple. I speak for myself, but I think I speak for a lot of the anti-Hillary people around here:

She does NOT represent us. She represents the corporations. These corporations are systematically waging illegal wars, poisoning the planet, stealing our health, ripping us off blind, and leaving a desolate wasteland for our children and grandchildren. And we DON'T WANT THAT ANYMORE.

Now, is it still a mystery to you?
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CT_Progressive Donating Member (889 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 10:47 PM
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1. Hillary Clinton's actual voting record on Corporations
* Stop bankruptcies to get rid of pension responsibilities. (Aug 2007)
* Enough with corporate welfare; enough with golden parachutes. (Jun 2007)
* Close lobbyists' revolving door; end no-bid contracts. (Jun 2007)
* Corporate lawyer at Rose Law while Bill was Attorney General. (Jun 2007)
* Corporate elite treat working-class America as invisible. (Apr 2007)
* Companies get rewarded with hard-working people left hanging. (Mar 2007)
* Voted YES on repealing tax subsidy for companies which move US jobs offshore. (Mar 2005)
* Voted YES on restricting rules on personal bankruptcy. (Jul 2001)
* Rated 35% by the US COC, indicating a mixed business voting record. (Dec 2003)
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JMDEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 10:50 PM
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3. Well, there's a pretty good rebuttal. I appreciate facts! nt.
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CT_Progressive Donating Member (889 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 10:53 PM
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4. I will not be voting for her in the primary.
But I will in the general if she is the (D).
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 11:16 PM
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5. And these are ALL the business-related bills that came up in the
last 7 years?

Oh. Wait. These aren't bills. Some of these are just random comments, that mean exactly squat.

How about some REAL facts?
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Blashyrkh Donating Member (816 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 10:49 PM
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2. Well said.
Edited on Wed Oct-31-07 10:50 PM by Blashyrkh


Check out the stage-managing in the photo. 8 people, should mean 4 people on either side of the podium. Notice how the guys on the right are all squeezed up so Hillary can stand DIRECTLY in the middle like she's appearing with her entourage, rather than standing with equals. All eyes focus on her.

She's next in line.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 12:12 AM
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6. Notice Edwards leaning into her.
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Blashyrkh Donating Member (816 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 12:40 AM
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7. I didn't pay much attention to the others first time through.
They are framed nicely in that photo, Edwards as VP...again?
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