Unidentifed Flying Object

[nadinbrzezinski]

that is what UFO stands for.

Most are later identified, but ANY, I wil repeat this, ANY object you or the feds cannot identify is unidentied by definition

Oh and on life outside of Earth... just went tp show how ignorant the moderators were. Xenobiology is a current field of study at NASA

And they believe they have found a world with an atmosphere.. and most importantly water... outside the solar system

That is a recipee for LIFE outside the Solar system.

There are days....

[Dhalgren]

1. K&R, nadin. It is "mountains out of molehills" time at DU.

UFOs are real, based simply on the definition you give. And most cosmologists will say that based just on the law averages there is almost no doubt that there is extraterrestrial life. Next!

[nadinbrzezinski]

2. It also shows us the willful ingorance that some folks have

[bullimiami]

3. theyll believe in god and the bible and call you names if you dont.

but we are it as far as life goes. and made in gods image.

[nadinbrzezinski]

5. You know, we are getting to the point of being able to ahem, MAKE life

that is the last mark of a god... so if we are capable of creating life (though the marvels of genetic engineering) does that make us gods?

Things to ponder

But in reality God is made in our image and the social needs of the time

[FogerRox]

24. Me and my friends dont believe in Evolution, we do believe in Noahs Ark

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57Mw-RI15Yk

Proud of it too. Thats real scary and quite sad. Can we assume this girl will not get far in college?

[Whisp]

29. oiy, yes. surprising amount of Flatlanders here. nt

[cali]

6. I have seen very, very few DUers

making a big deal about this. Most people here, whoever they support, have supported Dennis on this.

[mondo joe]

4. While it's true that a UFO simply means it is unidentified, as colloquially used

it means something else.

And finding a statistical probability of life outside Earth, the jump to aliens lingering around earth testing human rectums is something else altogether.

Carl Sagan was one of the most eloquent speakers on the topic of life outside Earth, and his life's work was creating opportunities for communication with such life if it exists.

At the same time, he approached the notion of alien visitors with appropriate scientific reserve and scrutiny.

No one would have liked there to be alien contact more than Carl Sagan. But wanting it to be real isn't the same as it being real.

[nadinbrzezinski]

7. Where in my post did I state

that we have alien life on Earth right at the moment running human experiments?

What is it, 150 light years from here is not a possible distance to travel UNDER CURRENT technology and knowledge

Now we have studies in xenobiology since panspermia seems more possible these days...

But please do point out where I said little gray men (ouside Sci Fi... hell that is what I write for a living) are on Earth right now

In fact, his answer yesterday made fun of the whole thing.

[mondo joe]

8. I don't recall saying you said such a thing. In fact I didn't reference aliens

on earth running human experiments at all in this thread.

That said, there are a lot of people who do talk about, and believe in both UFOs in the context of alien visitors (not simply unidentified objects), and alien experimentation on humans.

[nadinbrzezinski]

9. This is why I asked

And finding a statistical probability of life outside Earth, the jump to aliens lingering around earth testing human rectums is something else altogether.

Your quote... upthread

And I know what some folks think...

But the whole question in a debate was ridicolous and was meant to kill Dennis... but as he said... Carter also saw one

hell, over my carreer in EMS.... at times I saw UFOs... fitting the actual definition of the term...

[mondo joe]

10. Delete -- my error.

Nevermind.

[nadinbrzezinski]

11. Read post #4

and the point is the question does not belong in a debate.

[mondo joe]

12. Thanks.

[nadinbrzezinski]

13. You welcome...

by the way, as a writer of sci fi thigns like Roswell are just made to order

But under current science they are just way too improbably (as in the alien kind with more than two cells to rub together)

Panspermia. on the other hand, is looking as more likely

[dweller]

14. the world needs more

Panspermia.

dp

[Whisp]

30. We are only as intelligent as the instruments we have at hand.

forget whose quote that is. Certainly applies tho.

[FogerRox]

34. Who said they were little grey men?

The ones I saw were just... greys....

[Ghost in the Machine]

15. I have seen several of your posts now where you make reference to

"aliens lingering around earth testing human rectums", or some strangled version of those words when discussing UFOs and/or sightings.

Please provide a link showing that EVERY sighting/encounter ever reported has included abduction and anal probing, or any kind of probing for that matter. You keep trying to paint the two together with the same brush, so please provide your proof or kindly cease and desist from your disinformation spreading agenda.

Thanks...

[mondo joe]

16. If I said EVERY ufo claim involved anal probes you'd have a point. But I didn't.

As usual, you're pretty loosey goosey with what words mean.

Of course not all ufo claims involve anal probes. Sometimes they involve other, equally senseless, activities.

[Ghost in the Machine]

17. I figured you'd deny it...

mondo joe (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-31-07 08:40 PM
Response to Reply #34
51. The statisical liklihood of sentient life outside earth,and aliens coming to earth to probe assholes
are two VERY different things.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=2175833#2178755
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-31-07 08:55 PM
Response to Reply #62
63. I stand corrected. The goal is cow assholes.
It all makes sense now.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=2175833#2178851
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-31-07 11:46 PM
Response to Original message
4. While it's true that a UFO simply means it is unidentified, as colloquially used
it means something else.

And finding a statistical probability of life outside Earth, the jump to aliens lingering around earth testing human rectums is something else altogether.

Carl Sagan was one of the most eloquent speakers on the topic of life outside Earth, and his life's work was creating opportunities for communication with such life if it exists.

At the same time, he approached the notion of alien visitors with appropriate scientific reserve and scrutiny.

No one would have liked there to be alien contact more than Carl Sagan. But wanting it to be real isn't the same as it being real.
They wish we were invisible. We're not.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=2180147#2180245
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Here's a few examples, care to revise your answer?

[mondo joe]

18. If it makes you happy, I will gladly say this:

The statisical liklihood of sentient life outside earth, and aliens coming to earth to probe assholes or some other equally improbably activity are two VERY different things.

[skids]

20. No, no it doesn't.

Nobody I know thinks UFO == extraterrestrial.

It must be a generational thing.

[crickets]

19. Another K&R -nt

[windoe]

21. The ignorance and ridicule on this subject

is still the 'official' line, so that the govt does not have to come clean about all their advanced technologies developed with their trillions of dollars we have given to them with no oversight.
Meanwhile average people like us debate on whether ETs exist, or comb through blurry pictures and videos of them.
They are here, more and more people are working toward relating to them somehow peacefully & not shooting them down. We are like a primitive planet full of scared beings who are hostile to unfamiliar things. The middle east & western world cannot even relate yet.
We have to come a long way before we can accept ETs.

[troubleinwinter]

22. Exactly... I have seen many

cuz I don't know what they are. Satellites, weather balloons, lost metallic birthday ballons...

I am the daughter and grand-daughter of astronomers. I grew up knowing what "UFO" means.

My grandfather was quite a well-known astronomer and was on TV all the time, particularly leading up to, and during the moon landings. He was ALWAYS asked, "Do you think there's life in outer-space?" He always said, "ABSOLUTELY!! But the likelihood that humans will ever come into contact with intelligent life is likely nil, considering the vastness of time and space of the universe." People loved the first part and hated the second, in those days. He loved science fiction and would have hoped for seeing 'aliens', but knew we would not.

He told me he believed we'd someday find primitive life in the solar system, but never see any other intelligent life, as we are but a momentary microscopic speck in the universe. He passed a dozen years ago.. he'd love to see our new discoveries.

He wrote the second part of this (I recited it as a toddler):

Twinkle, twinkle, little star
How I wonder what you are
Up above the world so high
Like a diamond in the sky

Twinkle, twinkle, little star
Now I know just what you are
An incandescent ball of gas
Condensing to a solid mass

[Generic Brad]

23. Unidentified flying objects does not mean an alien presence

It just means we could not identify what the hell we were seeing. More than likely, it is a strong clue for those that see a UFO that they either need glasses or are due for an upgrade in their vision prescription.

[nadinbrzezinski]

26. ar that they saw something they could not identify

it does not automatically mean alien presence...

Could be dust

Could be a satellie

Could be a stray ballon

Could be the Stealth Bomber (when it was in development it accounts for quite a few)

It could be Aurora

Could be a natural phenomena

Or it could be one of the few percentage points that nobody can explain.

[FogerRox]

25. What about the saucer I saw in '62 ?

I identified it as an alien craft.

[nadinbrzezinski]

27. Then you saw it

I am not going to deny it

:-)

[FogerRox]

31. Whats worse is that I immediatly saw it as a conctruct of "somebody else".

non human, alien. Even though I was quite young.

And now for something completely different:

[nadinbrzezinski]

32. Ah I see.

Who am I to question your belief?

[FogerRox]

36. & I have been checkin out satillites with binocs for years

Apollo 8 X-mas eve, that was cool seeing Apollo 8 orbit the moon.

[seemslikeadream]

35. I think it would have showed

[seemslikeadream]

28. Was it near a North Carolina pond?? It's not a meaningless question

to ask if they've come and gone

:hi:



http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7065596067877216407&q=hypnotized+fleetwoodmac&total=13&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

[FogerRox]

33. You see the sides were like glass

In the thick of a forest without a road
And if any man's ever made that land
Then I think it would've showed ...

sup bro.