Will WWIII be a good enough reason to put impeachment back on the table?

[omega minimo]

Someone tabling for a Dem candidate this weekend said to me,

"If they bomb Iran, that'll probably raise the pressure for impeachment....."

Until then, he and his candidate think it's fine to continue with this administration unchecked and unbalanced.

Is that insane?

:nuke:

[nadinbrzezinski]

1. Societies well on their way to a fascist take over

have legislatures that are disfunctional

Oh never mind, we are not suposed to discuss the F word, since we can still post here :sarcasm:
At times I wonder if people refuse to see what is in front of their eyes out of self preservation

[omega minimo]

3. Here's the problem:

[nadinbrzezinski]

4. Didn't know ronnie was into feeding chimps!!!!!

No, I am serious on what I said... our legistlature is as disfunctional as the Italian was in the late 1920s.

They don't get it, you don't negotiate with thugs

[rjones2818]

8. I actually think they do.

They think they can ride out the next 14 months and then take the power themselves.

[omega minimo]

11. so it doesn't really matter who holds"the power"

[rjones2818]

18. Unless there's radical change of mindset, no.

It's one of the reasons I'm for Dennis.

[nadinbrzezinski]

12. Which is a sign of disfunction

exactly

[rjones2818]

21. Bingo.

Who amongst our candidates will change the dynamic? Mike would and Dennis would.

[nadinbrzezinski]

27. Of the top tier edwards

of the lower tier, Denis and Dodd...

I don't trust Gravel for the same reason I don't trust Paul... sadly Paul is the only rational one on the other side, but I would recomend you stay away from him

My reasoning....

Look at what Dodd is doing in the senate challenging Reed, just as Dennis is challenging Madamne Speaker... and both are going to die the death of a thousand cuts in the media

Edwards still has a chance, but he will be murdered becuase he will also change the dynamic

[omega minimo]

29. Edwards is electable. If he doesn't have a chance, neither do we.

[nadinbrzezinski]

30. That is my fear

that the elections are now fully kabuki theater.

I will vote, but just when I was 18 back in the old country... I KNOW it is rigged

[omega minimo]

33. and the Dems aren't too concerned about losing more voters...........

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3665093

[nadinbrzezinski]

34. They are full of it

and that is bullhockey

I want to know the weaknesses of sainted (insert candidate here) they do this every four years

Problem is... I fear this time the coronation is now over

[tom_paine]

45. Oh geez, nadin, you escape to freedom only to have tyranny follow you over NOW?

:cry: :cry:

God, I thought it sucked for me, who's grandparents luckily escaped the horrors of Stalin by crossing between guardposts on the frozen Prubul River and who's family tree had only enjoyed the fresh air of freedom for a mere two-and-a-half generations.

I guess I never imagined that there might, in fact, be hundreds of thousands of people like you, who escaped tyranny only to see it rising in horror before your eyes again.

:cry: :cry:

I am so sorry for you, and for all of us.

At least as an older person, maybe you'll see less of the horror, especially if (dare we hope?), Hillary is installed as our next Empress, thus at least give us a rest from the relentless.march.to.fascism. for awhile.

Probably a vain hope, I know, for I share your beliefs in that I too will vote, but I will also know.

Because I would also like to see Kucinich, Edwards, or Dodd, but it won't be allowed to happen and if it somehow happened, well I don't think the Bushies would let any one of those men live out their term, though I am sure it would be something like a Wellstoning or perhaps a good old fashion poisoning. We are regressing to medeval times, so why not?

In any case, let us cast our votes on machines that might as well be connected to hamster wheels, though I will continue to pray that we are wrong about that.

[nadinbrzezinski]

48. To be honest the regime in Mexico in the 1970s

was nothing like what we are seeing now

But that was the reason my dad got green cards for his two youngest daughters

But truly it was nothing like the US presently.

In fact, if you didn't make waves, nothing happened

But I do remember clearly my dad telling us to be careful what we said in the phone on long distance calls and them nice clicks in the telephone.

But trust me... what we are seeing here... is by far worst than what happened down there

Oh and I am sure people have already gone missing here, and we will not know the truth until this nightmare is over

Why I am amazed that folks are not getting it

Oh and my true taste (second hand) was from the refugee's from Central America that I interviewed as a Red Cross Medic.

But to elections, the system is so broken that it will possibly take a lifetime for me to trust the system ever again, even if by magic it is cleaned up once again. But... I will be there, casting a vote... why? I am aware that one way to defeat the shenanigans is for all of us to show up in massive numbers Tom.

[eridani]

50. I think more like high school student council elections myself

Anybody who wants to can run for student council president, provided that the principal doesn't object. And they can discuss and vote on any issue they want, as long as it's pre-approved by the principal.

[RaleighNCDUer]

15. In which case it's Here comes the new boss, Same as the old boss.

It is not a recipe for change.

[rjones2818]

22. Exactly.

I think most of the Dems don't realize this.

[EFerrari]

40. That's right, I agree. They seem to have no problem

riding over the bodies of the people who will die between now and then. And that's unforgivable.

[omega minimo]

17. here's the antidote

[Matariki]

35. Sometimes I am afraid we'll all deeply regret not being in the streets every day.

While we were still able.

I hope that never becomes true, but complacency is a very ugly thing in hindsight.

[tom_paine]

44. Keep telling that truth, nadin!

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

:toast:

[superkia]

49. Just by the responses on this board, most people are blind...

and think that everything is a conspiracy and there is no truth behind allot of the information that is out there. There are plenty of books and online videos that could open some eyes but people just ignore it because the MSM doesn't say its true? When I brought up the income tax we pay on our physical labor, I was destroyed by everyone and told if I didn't like taxes I should get out of the country. Yes there are plenty of legal taxes that we are supposed to pay but I never even addressed them. There are cases that are being won that have shown that there is no law that states that you have to pay taxes on your physical labor and people refuse to educate themselves, instead they kill the messenger and make themselves look like ignorant people.

I think that we are in some deep shit if we choose the wrong democratic candidate but then if we choose the right one, he will either be assassinated or we wont have elections. The wealthy and powerful like the direction the country is going, they don't want it to change and they have the money to do something about it...we don't. We could try to vote the right candidate though and see what happens or give in to the media and pick their candidate?

[CaliforniaPeggy]

2. They ARE insane...

We have way more than enough stuff for impeachment right now...

My god...

This is too much...

:nuke:

[omega minimo]

7. the disconnect from reality is complete

the people I was talking to reminded me of Perot voters, only more superficial and bumperstickery.......

Too many have swallowed the platitudes and believe that "standing on principle" is -- I dunno -- optional.

[rjones2818]

5. Not if the Leadership

are actually colaborating with W.

It'll be interesting to see how many votes Kucinich's special privilage motion will get, and if he keep his sub-committee chairmanship (if he loses it, they are colaborating).

[omega minimo]

9. there's a possibility folks don't wanna consider -- what's the motivation?

[rjones2818]

16. Riding W's term out and hope

that one of their own wil the Presidency, then keep the power for themselves.

[nadinbrzezinski]

19. And 1988 keeps coming back to me

they should have defeated Bush... we all know how well that worked

[rjones2818]

26. We should have tied Nixon between two trees which

had been bent down, and then released them. Nixon getting away with no jail time (or worse) just told the aristocracy in this country that nobody will really go after them. The genial fuck Reagan came in and pretty much destroyed the country, HW was a waste (god knows the first Iraq war was a set-up) and even Bubba pretty much let the corps get away with everything. W's the logical choice for them. I fully expect that if anybody other than Dennis gets elected (except maybe Mike) we'll continue down the path (sure, the drapes will be colored differently, but that's about it).

[omega minimo]

28. the country is paying for the sin of not impeaching "the genial fuck" Reagan

[nadinbrzezinski]

32. BINGO

and why I keep going back to 1988

We didn't want to rock the boat... because we had the WH you know.

[TheFarseer]

6. yes n/t

[Lint Head]

10. The ignorant prick is f@#king insane. That's reason enough

to impeach. He needs a padded room. It's ashame he actually created other human beings with his stepford wife. :dem:

[omega minimo]

13. take your prick out of here

:kick:

[FREEWILL56]

39. Are they human?

[Swamp Rat]

14. Bombing Iran will signal the official inauguration of the Fourth Reich

Something wicked this way comes.

[omega minimo]

20. there you are. joyeaux nuit du saints

[wuushew]

23. Webb's S. 759 is still sitting in committee

what are they going to impeach him over?

[omega minimo]

24. link to bill

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:S.759:

[Democrats_win]

25. Now, we can't say that someone didn't ask the right question at the right time.

When your lying POS warmonger president starts talking about WW3, yeah.... it's time.

[omega minimo]

31. good night and good luck. (anyone notice the :nukes: are disabled?)

:patriot:

[C_U_L8R]

36. Nah, we'll be too busy shopping

[Telly Savalas]

37. Or posting misanthropic tripe on the internet.

[Swamp Rat]

41. LOL!

[RL3AO]

38. It won't really matter...

because there won't be any organized governments after WWIII.

As Einstein once said: "I do not know with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."

[Amonester]

43. And he should have specified:

"... in about 6 billion years from the end of it."

[tom_paine]

42. Yes, that is insane. Mind boggling. Through the looking glass.

A madman and his evil (yes, they are some level of evil, there can no longer be any doubt) henchmen have our nation by the balls. 68% of us disapprove of him, 74% of us believe the nation is on the wrong track, but insanely, he still rules as if he maintains a majority and as if he has a 90% approval rating.

There is some confluence of forces here, one is the Bushie paratization of the mainstream media in tandem of the building of the most sophisticated and expensive propaganda machine in all of human history, simply dwarfing anything Hitler or Brezhnev has.

With the advent of the internet, 1000-channel Cable TV and the atomization of our communities, the construction of False Realities has never been easier, and all of it was enabled by the Democrats who either didn't see or saw but didn't realize what they were seeing or were simply clueless...no matter, they offered no real opposition to the construction of the Lying Bushie Media and drooling sycophantic MSM that would, ultimately, utterly destroy the barrier between truth and lies.

There is so much more to the intricate and complex mechanisms that the Bushies have cobbled together from the old playbooks of Totalitarians such as Hitler and Stalin (please click on my second link to confirm that I am not exaggerating...not in the least...please look for yourself), I could write a hundred-page dissertation on it, having had a ringside seat for seven years and a lifelong interest in the mechanisms of totalitarianism.

But I won't. Instead, I'll shut up now. But if you want to learn more about why the Bush-Nazi comparison is 100% valid, psychologically- and sociologically-speaking, please click on my signature links. You won't regret it.

[omega minimo]

56. "There is some confluence of forces here"

which Swamp Rat's image captures....

Heard Naomi Wolf on Ranti Rhodes today talking about 10 signs of impending fascism...


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/naomi-wolf/ten-steps-to-close-down-a_b_46695.html

"There is so much more to the intricate and complex mechanisms that the Bushies have cobbled together from the old playbooks of Totalitarians such as Hitler and Stalin (please click on my second link to confirm that I am not exaggerating...not in the least...please look for yourself), I could write a hundred-page dissertation on it, having had a ringside seat for seven years and a lifelong interest in the mechanisms of totalitarianism."



This has been creeping in for longer than 7 years. If we survive this, until we see that, it will happen again.

Every time.


"... the construction of False Realities has never been easier, and all of it was enabled by the Democrats who either didn't see or saw but didn't realize what they were seeing or were simply clueless...no matter, they offered no real opposition to the construction of the Lying Bushie Media and drooling sycophantic MSM that would, ultimately, utterly destroy the barrier between truth and lies."

Started with Reagan. :thumbsdown: Makes it frustrating listening to Wolf say "these histories are predictable" when most of us alive now have watched this and LIHOP.



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/naomi-wolf/ten-steps-to-close-down-a_b_46695.html

1 Invoke a terrifying internal and external enemy
2 Create a gulag
3 Develop a thug caste
4 Set up an internal surveillance system
5 Harass citizens' groups
6 Engage in arbitrary detention and release
7 Target key individuals
8 Control the press
9 Dissent equals treason
10 Suspend the rule of law

[puebloknot]

46. Yeah, it will be no big deal to put the genie back in the bottle...

..."If they bomb Iran."

Yes, that *is* insane.

[Senator]

47. I Think That's "Even More" Insane

To listen to Doddering Dodd this week (whether or not he's the candidate you mention) is to see just how in dire need of Cranial-Rectoscopy they are.

Still, it's all the more reason to keep screaming "Impeach Now" as loud as we can.

Any one of them could break omerta at any time as they pander their way closer and closer to the edge of sanity.

---

[Warren Stupidity]

51. No. It will be a good reason to stand on the Capital steps

singing God Bless America, a good excuse to decorate all vehicles with flags, and a wonderful reason to put all the terrorist sympathisers into internment camps.

It will not be a reason for impeachment.

Nobody lied about a blow job.

[Kurovski]

52. K&R. (nt)

[MsMagnificent]

53. At that point, does it matter?

If WWIII occurs because of or directly by the USA (and we are the only ones at this time who could make this happen)

--the Democratic Party has failed completely.

--the Republican Party are already failures.

--and the country, the United States of America, has forgone the honorable principles upon which it was built.
It is no better than Germany in the first half of the 1900's.
It too is a complete and utter failure.


As with the ultimate fate of the aforementioned Germany, the many other countries of the world will ally to fight this arrogant, aggressive, bellicose bully -- us.
Our mighty arsenal notwithstanding, I hardly think we can prevail over the rest of the world united against us. Nor should we.

All our politicians forget or choose to ignore the guaranteed, unavoidable, ultimate end of tyranny and tyrants.


And the only people able to stop it, here, now, are self-equipped with blinders -- the vast majority are only concerned with their own individual political victory.
They can't even see how short and meaningless this their 'victory' will be once the entire country is humiliated and defeated.

As big a loss as any, and of something --if really well maintained and guarded-- so full pf possibility and promise for the benefit of mankind;
--our vaunted Democracy--
will be disparaged, maligned, and discarded out of hand
for if this system fomented a world war, how good and beneficial could it really be?

Our once noble, great, humble and good country; the US of A :cry:

[omega minimo]

55. "prevail"? What's left after Mutually Assured Destruction?

"As with the ultimate fate of the aforementioned Germany, the many other countries of the world will ally to fight this arrogant, aggressive, bellicose bully -- us.

"Our mighty arsenal notwithstanding, I hardly think we can prevail over the rest of the world united against us. Nor should we."

[AntiFascist]

54. It will be far too late by then...

can you imagine the crackdown on free speach and the artificial rallying around the President that would happen if we entered a World War that could conceivably involve Russia and other world powers?