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Sufficient Voice Donating Member (149 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 08:54 PM
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Does anybody vote for candidates because they stand for the right things?
Of course Hillary stands a good chance at beating Republicans. Of course she would lead the country better than any from the Republican lot. But she stands for prolonged Iraq. She stands for aggression against Iran. She stands for unregulated free trade. She stands for health care reform that futher benefits Coporate America at a cost to the middle class. And those are just the things we know she stands for. It is likely she will give Coperate America a soft ride, which is the opposite of what is needed right now.

Dennis and Gore stand for what is right. Edwards and Obama are at least measurably better then Clinton. Any of those 4 could win against a Republican too, and would run the country well. If you vote because you have convictions, please chime in!
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 08:56 PM
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1. Yes. That's why I'm currently most likely to vote for Kucinich. nm
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 09:32 PM
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23. I will be a dittohead and throw my full support behind this statement.
No one else vocalizes their position with the same clarity and conviction.
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 08:58 PM
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2. The corporate reform and responsibility candidate has to be Edwards...
We need a change in the balance of power between the people and the money and influence of corporations and business, and Edwards is best able to bring that about.

I hope progressives are not seduced by the thought that only Hillary can win, just because the MSM promotes that idea.

This may the most important election of our lifetime.
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Sufficient Voice Donating Member (149 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 09:00 PM
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6. Of the currently likely to win crowd
you're probably right. He does seem committed to coporate remove which is essential.
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daninthemoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 09:07 PM
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11. I won't buy into a "currently likely to win crowd". Especially after
the setup hatchect job the msm tried to pull on Kucinich last night. There won't be a single vote cast for another two months, so please consider that this may still be the people's election for the people to get a choice. It won't be time to settle until after the primary. Hopefully we can get exactly the candidate we most want.
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Sufficient Voice Donating Member (149 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 09:12 PM
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14. The corporate attacks on Kucinich
do make me want to support him even more. They are going after Edwards quite a bit too though.

I support Kucinich. In fact he is a great guy. I've talked to him at our big war protest each year.

Gore might be able to get more done though. He could use his reputation, and previous connections to override the Washington crowd that would try to stonewall any real progressive reform.
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 08:59 PM
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3. It's why i'm am positively voting for Kucinich. nt
Edited on Wed Oct-31-07 09:00 PM by dweller
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Sufficient Voice Donating Member (149 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 09:01 PM
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8. Awesome!
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 08:59 PM
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4. You'd make a stronger argument if you didn't make up stuff
Hillary's position on trade is better than most of the other candidates, aside from DK. Her position on NAFTA is the exact same thing as all the other candidates. She opposed CAFTA and Peru FT. She is the only candidate pushing for a resolution that says bush* has no authorization to attack Iran, and has a health care plan that does everything the insurance industry objects to (aside from killing it outright) No more denials for pre-existing conditions, no more losing coverage when changing jobss or becoming unemployed. No more double-digit premium increases, and no more non-coverage for preventative care and chronic diseases
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 09:45 PM
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24. "No more denials..."
There is no way she can promise all that while leaving medical decisions in the hands of private insurers. They will chip away at that platform till it is unrecognisable...no...it will be recognisable as being exactly what it is today, except that it will me mandatory for everyone to have private insurance.

It is a giveaway to the insurance industry.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 09:00 PM
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5. That's the way everyone should be voting!!
:grr:

Vote for the truth, not the spin!!
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Sufficient Voice Donating Member (149 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 09:03 PM
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9. Exactly.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 09:01 PM
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7. If I needed someone to agree with me 100% I'd only ever vote for myself.
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Sufficient Voice Donating Member (149 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 09:06 PM
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10. So what percent do you vote at
80%
70%
50%
10%?

It's not about percents, its about pure action and pure intent. Not making the same political compromises that have plagued our party for years.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 09:10 PM
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13. I vote to get movement closer, rather than farther, to where I want things to be.
Edited on Wed Oct-31-07 09:15 PM by mondo joe
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Sufficient Voice Donating Member (149 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 09:14 PM
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16. I would agree with you
except what you see as baby steps look more to me like a dance of betrayal.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 09:16 PM
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18. Well, the words on strangers online really move me
in way whatsoever.
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femmocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 09:08 PM
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12. I support the candidate whose positions come closest to my beliefs.
Always have. I never vote for someone simply because they "might win". Unfortunately, I have a long history of supporting losing candidates..... :cry:
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Sufficient Voice Donating Member (149 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 09:13 PM
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15. Maybe its time for instant runoff voting.
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Chovexani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 09:16 PM
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17. It's why I'm voting for Kucinich
Unfortunately he doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell.

But primaries to me have never been about "electability". I feel primaries are where you vote your heart, and the GE is where you vote your head.
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Sufficient Voice Donating Member (149 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 09:21 PM
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19. If only more people felt the way you do
then we could vote our hearts and our minds. (You know those things we are always trying to win! :-) )
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Basileus Basileon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 09:22 PM
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20. I vote on cackling, gospel-singing, and UFO-sighting exclusively. nt
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 09:28 PM
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21. Yes. That's why I'm currently most likely to vote for Kucinich. nm
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Sukie1941 Donating Member (463 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 09:29 PM
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22. Since WHEN is "what is right" the way to run a country?
We could go back to the Ark and find that decisions made to run this country had lots of sinister reasons.

We need to put the U.S. back on the world globe. We are viewed as wimps all over the world.

Jimmy Carter was a nice guy and look what happened to him. It takes a certain personality to be a leader, and I don't think "nice" or "right" is the key.

I try to keep in mind the platform of the Democratic party. That is what I care about. Who are we?
Who do we need to lead us to work the platform?

I think Bill Clinton must have something to say to Hillary about her choices that you outlined in your statement. And I think he did a great job as president, considering all.

We need a Democrat in the White House!

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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 09:55 PM
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26. Whoah.
WHY do we need to put the US "back on the world globe"? Who gives a fuck if the world sees us as "wimps" (yeah, right, with 730 miliatary bases around the globe and more people under arms than any other nation, including the Chinese with 4 times our population, and spending more on the military than the next three largest big spenders - yeah, we're wimps :eyes: )

We don't need Empire. Does any other country have hundreds of overseas military bases? Why should we decide how other nations govern themselves?

We DON'T need any of that neo-liberal crap which is only cosmeticly different from the neocons.

We need a Democrat in the White House - DLC need not apply.
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 09:54 PM
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25. I do vote my convictions
(in accordance with the two-party system when it comes to the General Election, though, of course)

I chose Kerry in 2004 because I liked his positions better than the other candidates and thought he was the right person to run the country. I still think so and if he were running he would absolutely be my candidate.

Given the field that we have, I think I like Richardson the best (combination of positions and experience to get the job done), so obviously I am facing a substance vs. style question.

But since I live in PA, my primary vote won't count anyway, so it's just an academic exercise for me.
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