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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 07:54 PM
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Juan Cole: A Plea To EVERYONE In The Blogging World---Close The Iraqi Embassy!
Thursday, November 01, 2007
Time to Close the US Embassy

I don't try to start an internet campaign very often, because the blogosphere has its own priorities and logic that are democratic and should not be forced. But here is a plea for everyone in the blogging world to help force congress to save our diplomats.

Bush is trying to Shanghai several hundred foreign service officers and force them to go to Iraq. They are protesting.

Now is that time for all Americans to stand up for the diplomats who serve this country ably and courageously throughout the world, for decades on end. Foreign service officers risk disease and death, and many of them see their marriages destroyed when spouses decline to follow them to a series of remote places. They are the ones who represent America abroad, who know languages and cultures and do their best to convince the world that we're basically a good people.

...............

Please write your congressional representatives and senators and demand that the US embassy be closed and the forced deportation of US diplomats to Iraq be halted.

The Democrats have been facing the dilemma that they are blocked from doing much about Iraq. This is something they can do. Cut off funding for the embassy and force most of the diplomats home. This is the way to start ending the war.


more at:
http://www.juancole.com/2007/11/time-to-close-us-embassy.html
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 08:03 PM
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1. but Hilly wants to keep forces there to guard it
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 08:20 PM
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4. Most candidates want to keep the Embassy and forces to guard
it.
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BrightKnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 08:28 PM
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5. Guarding our embassy in Iraq might be a good idea. - n/t
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 08:37 PM
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7. The people of Iraq and other nations might look differently on
the U.S. occupying/taking? 104 acres of prime real estate in the heart of Baghdad :shrug:







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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 12:35 AM
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13. Do some research on the recent Baku Embassy attack.
Be sure to include Baker-Botts in your search.
Perhaps you will understand why these diplomats
don't want to go...
Not one of them is unaware of why the
Baku embassy was attacked.
Would you willingly lie on the railrad tracks if the train
from hell was speeding towards you?
BHN
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 02:00 PM
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18. Yeah, brilliant as
always.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 08:09 PM
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2. Hard to believe they can send people against their will--can they quit?
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 08:16 PM
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3. And 104 acres of prime real estate on the Tigris in the center of
Edited on Wed Oct-31-07 08:17 PM by slipslidingaway
Baghdad, what's not to like???


some pictures
http://eyeball-series.org/usemb-iq/usemb-iq.htm
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 08:37 PM
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6. Is Congress even alive?
At the very least, it's a complete waste of our tax dollars.

It's as if nobody is home, in Congress. And here we have been in a rage over this billion dollar "whatever it is" for at least a year or two. Are we doing Congress's job for them? It sure feels like it.

Shut this damned thing down!

I don't think anyone is listening.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 12:28 AM
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9. On Behalf of all of us at DU, I'm about to post the Embassy on EBay...
How much should we put down as our minimum reserve price?
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 12:40 AM
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14. Can we at least try to cover the cost in our reserve price?
Given that it is destined to become the number one target
in the ME, witness the recent Baku bombing, we should
hurry up and sell it before it loses any more market value.
(Location, location, location.:sarcasm:)
:thumbsup:
BHN
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 05:49 PM
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19. Haha. That's brilliant. And might cost you a rendition flight one way ticket.
I don't know what minimum. Chances are it's salvage value is nothing, due to incoming attacks. You couldn't even dismantle it without heavy protection.

And a Buy It Now is out of the question. You couldn't afford the Ebay fees on a billion dollars.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 12:57 AM
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21. Oh methinks if we can rustle up even a smidge of the monies that
Have gone missing in Iraq, we might be able to cover the Ebay fees on the billion dollars.
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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 08:45 PM
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8. Kpete usually do some fact checking before replying
On some post, and with this one I ventured about life over there, God help us all http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2007/09/06/landing-at-the-iraqi-blogodrome-40/

What this country is projecting over there is not what the American people would project in any way shape or form anywhere in our world, but it is exactly what is unfolding, because our elected officials let it be so.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 12:31 AM
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10. Excellent URl you are posting but what are you saying that kpete is doing wrong?
Not sure as to what you are referring to??
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 12:33 AM
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11. The recent attack on the US Embassy in Baku says it all.
Most people don't have a clue as to why that particular embassy was attacked.
Do a search on Baker-Botts. (Poppy's friend) and Baku.
The diplomats who don't want to go to the Iraq embassy know.
Not many thinking people agree willingly to become fish in a barrel.
BHN
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 12:33 AM
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12. k&r
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Duppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 01:10 AM
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15. Several hundred U.S. diplomats angry, threaten to quit
Some US Diplomats Angry Over Iraq Posts
By MATTHEW LEE – 9 hours ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — Several hundred U.S. diplomats vented anger and frustration Wednesday about the State Department's decision to force foreign service officers to take jobs in Iraq, with some likening it to a "potential death sentence."

In a contentious hour-long "town hall meeting," they peppered officials behind the order with often hostile complaints about the largest diplomatic call-up since Vietnam. Announced last week, it will require some diplomats — under threat of dismissal — to serve at the embassy in Baghdad and in so-called Provincial Reconstruction Teams in outlying provinces.

Many expressed serious concern about the ethics of sending diplomats against their will to serve in a war zone, where the embassy staff is largely confined to the so-called "Green Zone," and the safety outside the area is uncertain while a review of the department's use of private security contractors to protect its staff is under way.

"Incoming is coming in every day, rockets are hitting the Green Zone," said one who identified himself as Jack Crotty, a senior foreign service officer who once worked as a political adviser with NATO forces.

He and others directly confronted Foreign Service Director General Harry Thomas, who approved the move to "directed assignments" late last Friday to make up for a lack of volunteers willing to go to Iraq.

"It's one thing if someone believes in what's going on over there and volunteers, but it's another thing to send someone over there on a forced assignment," Crotty said. "I'm sorry, but basically that's a potential death sentence and you know it. Who will raise our children if we are dead or seriously wounded?"

His remarks were met with loud and sustained applause from the approximately 300 diplomats at the meeting.

Thomas responded by saying the comments were "filled with inaccuracies" but did not elaborate until challenged by the head of the diplomats' union, the American Foreign Service Association (AFSA), who, like Crotty and others, demanded to know why many learned of the decision from news reports.

Thomas took full responsibility for the late notification but objected when AFSA President John Naland said a recent survey found only 12 percent of the union's membership believed Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice was "fighting for them."

"That's their right but they're wrong," Thomas said, prompting a testy exchange.

"Sometimes, if it's 88 to 12, maybe the 88 percent are correct," Naland said.

"88 percent of the country believed in slavery at one time, was that correct?" shot back Thomas, who is black, in a remark that drew boos from the crowd. "Don't you or anybody else stand there and tell me I don't care about my colleagues. I am insulted," Thomas added.

Rice was not present for the meeting, but her top adviser on Iraq, David Satterfield, did attend.

State Department spokesman Sean McCormack acknowledged the session had been "pretty emotional" but praised Thomas for holding it. He also stressed that all diplomats sign an oath to serve the country that obligates them to be available to work anywhere in the world.

"It's a pretty sensitive topic and understandably, some people are going to have some pretty strong feelings about it," McCormack told reporters after the meeting. "Ultimately, our mission in Iraq is national policy, it is the foreign policy set out by the secretary as well as the president of the United States.
...
Under the new order, 200 to 300 diplomats have been identified as "prime candidates" to fill 48 vacancies that will open next year at the Baghdad embassy and in the provinces. Those notified have 10 days to accept or reject the position. If not enough say yes, some will be ordered to go.

Only those with compelling reasons, such as a medical condition or extreme personal hardship, will be exempt from disciplinary action. Diplomats forced into service in Iraq will receive the same extra hardship pay, vacation time and choice of future assignments as those who have volunteered.

More than 1,200 of the department's 11,500 Foreign Service officers have served in Iraq since 2003, but the generous incentives have not persuaded enough diplomats to volunteer for duty in Baghdad or with the State Department's provincial reconstruction teams.

The move to directed assignments is rare but not unprecedented.

In 1969, an entire class of entry-level diplomats was sent to Vietnam. On a smaller scale, diplomats were required to work at various embassies in West Africa in the 1970s and 1980s.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jSQ14PoKO8jjCLmzfdzIzty14IjwD8SKEGK06



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PinkyisBlue Donating Member (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 08:56 AM
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16. Why don't they want to go to Iraq? Our president has assured us that the surge is working.
I might have more sympathy for these diplomats if they had been more outspoken against the war before now. So far, the only people who have paid any personal price in this "war on terror" have been our volunteer military and national guard members. I never heard diplomats opposing the war until now, when their own lives are at stake.
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BrightKnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 01:50 PM
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17. Diplomacy will not solve anything. We should not have any embassies.
People just get hurt or killed in embassies. This is especially true in Iraq.

If they are going to insist on having an embassy in Iraq they should just rent a little victorian flat on main street. Red, white and blue flowers would look really nice in the lobby. I would probably plant some hydrangeas and elephant ears outside.

---------
Seriously, a permanent diplomatic mission is Iraq is essential (with or without a "war"). The Embassy most definitely does not nook like any sort of a palace. They really should do more to make it look less harsh and threatening. The architecture may be functional but it sends the wrong message.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 06:14 PM
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20. You go first. I think the diplomatic establishment might just know how dangerous it is.
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