Have others notice the all out desperation of Hillary's bashers

[Bitwit1234]

Two months or more ago when Obama and Hillary were running neck and neck you could come to DU and see just a few of the Obama supporters bashing Hillary. You could get the news of the day, you missed on the MSM lack of performance. It was enjoyable.

But it seems that after Hillary started pulling so far ahead, the Obama bashers showed their true colors and came out with everything they could, twist to slur and flame her. Some of the stuff was pathetic. Like she gave up her cat to her secretary. Bullshit. She was running for the senate and Bill was traveling and they couldn't take care of the cat. The secretary was crazy over it and asked if she could take custody. But none of that was mentioned.

Now they come out about the damn driver's license. Just because Hillary said that was the governors decision and she respected it. What the devil was she going to do, jump all over a governor's opinion and then be accused of wanting to run the state of New YOrk. Pathetic...again.

The try to say she will bomb Iran. Well we don't know what Obama will do he skips the votes so he can sneak in on either side. Which ever one just happens to be popular at the time. And not only on that he skips a lot of controversial votes. Did you see his record.

So I suppose the more she pulls out in front the more vicious the Obama supporters will get. And the more running scared Obama will get. We see how he is starting to twist and distort every thing he can about her.

It is a shame that he is so desperate for the nomination, in his opinion anything goes, especially the republican way of politicking.

[cboy4]

1. "Like she gave up her cat to her secretary. Bullshit."

HAHAHA

This place is officially nuts.

[MethuenProgressive]

25. If you can't say something nice about yourself, attack!! - Karl Rove

[marmar]

2. Jesus, Maria y Josef.....not again!

:eyes:

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[TahitiNut]

55. I'll take Moldy Oldies for $100, Alex.

:silly:

[BeHereNow]

67. Are we in a time warp machine?

This sounds JUST like the crappola patch that sprouted in
2004. If I didn't know better, I'd say it was
the same bunch. Heh. No?
:evilgrin:
BHN

[RufusTFirefly]

3. Don't worry. She's got Joe-mentum now! She'll be invincible!!!

[Gold Metal Flake]

5. You can do anything with Joe on your side.

Rupert, too.

[aquart]

8. Ah. Don't have the guts to state your candidate?

Obama will be destroyed by his supporters.

[RufusTFirefly]

73. Sorry. I didn't realize the primary elections had already come and gone

Silly me.

I thought I had time to make up my mind.

[okoboji]

4. "......he skips a lot of controversial votes."

amen ... easier to skip them then to commit to the wrong stance.

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[Forkboy]

9. Yeah yeah yeah...we heard you 1000 posts ago.

[aquart]

10. Hear it again.

You're an Obama supporter? How is lying and distortion one bit different from what we have now? If he wants to use Karl's playbook, fine. But don't expect that sentient beings won't notice.

[Forkboy]

17. You're clueless and always have been.

Don't talk about sentient beings until you've tried it.Get a grip...on something.Maybe it'll help clear the mind.

[Richard Steele]

11. No, but I've noticed that some of her supporters don't like to discuss anything she says or does.

And some of them attempt to shut down all discussion
with broken-record cries of "bashing".

Some of them even want everyone who supports another candidate
to be restricted to some "non Hillary" forum here at DU.
How goddamn PATHETIC is that?

Pretty goddamn pathetic, IMHO.

[babylonsister]

13. Bravo and bingo, all at once!

:applause: :applause:

[JeffR]

18. Thank you!

A million times a million, thank you.

[TahitiNut]

54. Word.

:thumbsup:

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

77. Thank you! nt

[Faux pas]

83. 'Pretty goddamn pathetic, IMHO' also. Way to nail it dicksteele!

:)

[QueenOfCalifornia]

84. Correct.

If you are not for her... well it's bashing.

If you try to point out actual issues that are damned important - oh, say... taking lots of money (more money than anyone running for president, Republican or Democrat) from D.C. Lobbyists... well. it is Hillary bashing. DO NOT POINT OUT THESE THINGS THAT ARE NOT IMPORTANT...

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

12. No, but I've noticed you.

It's a shame.

[Clintonista2]

14. True, they become more and more desperate each day

They reached the hight of desperation during the McClurkin fiasco. The majority of DUers began to see how desperate they had become.

[JeffR]

15. "bashing, slur, flame, sneak, vicious, twist, distort, desperate"

Boy, there's a lot of paranoia in Hillarytown tonight. Was every Clintonista on DU a drama major? Could that account for the confetti of silliness posted here every day?

[frylock]

16. the desperation of the hill thrill cult is just as palpable..

I especially loved the "smear by association" bullshit. A fucking laugh riot.

[malta blue]

21. hill thrill cult...

:spray: :rofl:

oh my...thank you.

[Mike03]

19. Thanks for this post

I thought I was going crazy. DU used to be the place I came to be with sane folks.

What is the deal here?

[Mike03]

20. K&R

I want some explanation that is credible for the evisceration of Hillary Clinton that I see here. It makes no sense. Although it reminds me of some of the people who turned against Kerry.

[JeffR]

22. Or maybe a lot of people here simply prefer other candidates

Ya think?

[Mike03]

23. I prefer other candidates too,

But there's no fucking law that says in order to like one candidate you have to hate every one else. It's immature bullshit.

Ya think??? Or CAN you think?

[JeffR]

28. I see valid criticism or at least valid caveats and concerns here

every day, which inevitably draw the howling of the cadre determined to condemn every scintilla of fair comment as hate, misogyny, jealousy, freeper trolling, bashing, etc etc etc.

Immature bullshit, indeed.

Is some of it over the top? Of course. Does that warrant the oh-so-righteous indignation, the arrogance, the pure ultramontane contempt that some Clinton supporters suck up DU bandwidth with? Nope.

No one has to like Clinton or any of the others. No one has to stop criticizing them. None of the criticism helps the GOP, none of it is a betrayal of the party, and none of it - however hyperbolic or even disingenuous - is worthy of being fretted over this way.

I come here for different opinions. If I didn't find different opinions here, it wouldn't be as worthwhile as it is. There's no crying in politics. Politics isn't supposed to be nice.

[Mike03]

29. I don't know you, but it doesn't sound like you come here for

different opinions; it sounds like you come here to change the opinions of others.

I really don't care.

There are some excellent posters here who have changed my mind on many issues--but not by bullying me, but by CONVINCING me.

[JeffR]

31. I like being convinced too

and personally, I have no desire to change or have even the remotest influence on anyone's opinions. I just don't care for disingenuousness. I'm not, BTW, accusing you personally of being disingenuous. But I do think my comment about people preferring other candidates is valid. "My" candidate - Kucinich, FWIW - incurs a ton of snark around here. It just doesn't matter to me. None of it diminishes his value to the party. None of it changes the electoral calculus, which is admittedly not in Dennis's favor. It simply isn't worth getting exercised about, IMHO. And some of the Clinton supporters, along with some of the Obama supporters and some of the Edwards supporters, cry a lot of crocodile tears. It's ludicrous.

[Mike03]

36. Peace

My candidate is Biden.

In the end, we all must come together, or we will win nothing.

[JeffR]

38. Totally with you there

And some fellow lefties' (sometimes disingenuous) revulsion notwithstanding, I like Biden a lot. We'll come together - most of us, anyway - when primary season is over. I have faith that we've all had enough. We're going to put a Democrat in the White House, and solidify our Congressional majorities. I don't doubt it for a second.

[Mike03]

41. Take care

Glad we talked.

[JeffR]

42. Me too

:)

[bagrman]

43. Divide and conquer, it works in many fields.

It's amazing that we ask the Bushites to take off their rose colored glasses and look at what their nit wit is/has done to this country. But should someone ask the same of us about our candidate, fat chance.
When a candidate is called out for what they have done or said, it's automatically flame on, no discussion of the fact, just name calling,, and the real reason for the animosity towards the candidate is forgotten. Almost any Democrat can win against whatever Repug gets offered up, but , we have to agree that we don't want more of what we have now. So while your being divided up into little camps, of bone heads the MSM will tell you who is going to win, and we know who runs the MSM and why they would want a certain candidate to win, either they feel the Repug will woop them easily or they will get he other side of the same coin.

Latr

[sampsonblk]

24. In three months, they will all be gone. Don't worry.-nt

[Mike03]

26. Who the fuck are these people?

Do they honestly believe the things they say about her?

Or are they avid supporters of other candidates who don't understand you don't need to incinerate people you don't like in order to support another candidate?

Are they not sincere Democrats?

Are they delusional and unable to think clearly?

I have no clue what this is about, but it is getting sickening and tiresome.

[Toasterlad]

27. Both Candidates Suck.

I'm voting for the only real Democrat running: Dennis Kucinich.

[frylock]

30. word up!

:applause:

[JeffR]

33. Testify!

:applause:

[emilyg]

32. Picking on her eye-brows was my fav. What empty heads reside at DU.

[Bluebear]

34. "What empty heads reside at DU." - Why, what a CHARMING sentiment to convey to the board.

[JeffR]

37. Clintonistas, like their candidate, have a real common touch

don't they?

[emilyg]

47. It's called TRUTH

[ShortnFiery]

50. Whoa! Even a progressive board is full of "empty heads" if they don't label every thought

or word of HRC's as *gifted?* That's just plain sad for all progressives. Group-think bandwagons for HRC?

[JeffR]

61. It's called hamfisted bludgeoning where I come from.

It's uncouth. And sometimes it's deeply dishonest. But at a minimum, it's extraordinarily uncouth.

[Richard Steele]

92. It's called "shouting down other opinions", and it's contemptible. nm

[emilyg]

46. Some empty heads - better?

[Blashyrkh]

35. Use a roller, it's a broader brush. Mindless support is a foolish as mindless criticism.

[NNN0LHI]

39. Being on an anonymous chat board we have no idea who the Obama supporters are here

They could just as easily be trashy Republican thugs from freeperville acting like they are Obama supporters.

Please don't fall for the smoke and mirrors around here.

Don

[Inspired]

40. Desperation? The spin word of the Hillary campaign.

Blah,blah,blah.

[Tactical Progressive]

44. How can you not notice it?

It is practically what DU has become - a sounding board for Dem-Hating-Leftists to spew their desperation against Democrats.

The moderators here seem to think it's OK when they call the likely Democratic nominee for the Presidency of the United States a "cold-hearted bitch", "the lesser of two evils is still evil", "two-faced weasel" etc, etc. This is just from the past few hours on the tiny, tiny fraction of threads I've looked at. Just like right-wingers, when they're given license to behave in the most uncivil manner, they take it and keep taking more until somebody stops them.

And they are the biggest whiners too. So victimized. By everybody.
The biggest bullies are always the biggest babies.
DHLs are a case study in that.

I'm wondering what the moderators would do should Hillary supporters decide to sink to the level of DHLs and start giving it back with the same tone. I'm guessing they would probably shut DU down before they'd let it go the other way.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

48. Back to Dem Hating Leftists meme again huh?

*sigh*

In case you want to revisit the tirade: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1940317#1940594

[Tactical Progressive]

56. Yes, Dem-Hating-Leftists

Thanks for the link. I'd forgotten how well I made all of those points about the fundamental responsibilities for how we got here politically, and how dishonest and intentionally obtuse DHLs are when it comes to not owning up to the culpability for what their self-righteous political treachery has wrought. I already knew they didn't have anywhere near the honor or integrity to face it, so I wasn't expecting any other response than what I got.

Oh, and Dem-Hating-Leftist isn't really a meme or something I'm coming back to. It's a simple, direct characterization of leftists that will never accept the Democratic party's political positions. It is more or less a permanent, though always changing category, depending on the people and politics of the times. They hated Al Gore, now they love him. They loved Nancy Pelosi, now they hate her. Etc, etc, etc.

The many angry, Democrat-attacking progressives on this board, and others, really are Democrat-Hating-Leftists. It's just accurate terminology. They deeply resent the way the Democratic Party represents progressive beliefs in political practice. You may not see them in the same way that many of us see them, but they are absolutely a distinct subset of political leftists.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

59. "The many angry, Democrat-attacking progressives on this board"

"Yes, Dem-Hating-Leftists <snip> "I'd forgotten how well I made all of those points about the fundamental responsibilities for how we got here politically, and how dishonest and intentionally obtuse DHLs are when it comes to not owning up to the culpability for what their self-righteous political treachery has wrought. I already knew they didn't have anywhere near the honor or integrity to face it, so I wasn't expecting any other response than what I got."

Your banal tripe is really disgusting in a self-exposing congratulatory way. Give yourself a good pat on the back for expressing your hatred of progressives.

[Tactical Progressive]

71. I am a progressive

It is DHLs that are disgusting. They prove it every day on this very board.

We've had almost eight years of living through the results of their treachery, including all of the blood in Iraq.

I guess they should congratulate themselves for what they've done.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

72. "We've had almost eight years of living through the results of their treachery"

"including all of the blood in Iraq." (referring to Democrat Hating Liberals)

Wow! It is the liberals responsible for the deaths in Iraq. Who knew? You are off your rocker there TP.

[Tactical Progressive]

75. Of course, because elections actually put people in power

who could, for example, try to make America an environmentally efficient country, or choose to militarily invade other countries.

You know, not a dime's worth of difference there. DHL's told us that in 2000 as they stabbed Democrats in the back in national rhetoric and in swing-State votes. Just enough to throw the election to fascists and America into eight years of hell.

It's all in the history books now.

(Oh, but it's Hillary's fault for not stopping all of that!)



DHLs did the left dirty, and they should never be trusted again.

[JeffR]

64. Self-delete

Because even this kind of crap shouldn't be enough to make me say these things to a fellow-DUer.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

58. del

[JeffR]

63. Self-delete

Because even this kind of crap shouldn't be enough to make me say these things to a fellow-DUer.

[Kurovski]

45. More than a few months ago people started yelling like street-corner crackpots at anyone

who questioned anything about Senator Clinton. It shocked me the very first time I saw it, and I reacted so strongly to it that I apologized.

It is now clear that the plan is to crush and slash anyone with a question as a "hater" or "jealous" or any other piece of horseshit handy in order to side-step discussion, and to stomp on the questioner.
It's all par for the course now.

Defining the questioner's feelings, motivations and promptly dismissing those apparently psychically received characterizations is now a habit for some HRC supporters.

It's become as obvious as the Senator's poor accounting for herself last night. But we are told that black is white, or we can't see or hear for ourselves, or understand history, or figure out what a vote will mean when applied in the real world.

If Clinton supporters themselves are feeling so secure about Clinton's inevitability, then why sweat it? I see the inevitability message repeated here often enough. But I suspect somewhere in every Clinton fanatic there is the understanding that the record and her actions themselves are too much of a detriment to her to let the discussion go on unimpeded without emotional distraction.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

51. Very well said.

:patriot:

[Kurovski]

53. Accusations of "Hillary bashing" is the new "Why do you hate America?"

Kinda.

[JeffR]

66. No, it's more "Keep the Democratic Party beautiful -

Get a haircut."

[Kurovski]

69. Damn Hippies.

Damn, damn hippies.

[JeffR]

65. Yup.

Nailed it.

[Kurovski]

91. Liberal Republicans will seek temporary harbor in the Democratic party

while theirs is presently going bonkers. I just wish they'd wipe their feet when they come in.

The joint sometimes sounds like the manipulative, game-playing, ever-projecting Repub in-laws during a holiday visit. The sound is as familiar as the notes in Jingle Bells.

[Kazak]

49. Just wait 'til Gore announces...

Hillary who?

[Evoman]

52. Bashing her because of her stupid support of the Iraq war and her posturing on Iran is the main meal

This other stuff...hehe...this other stuff is just gravy :)

[ConsAreLiars]

57. Aren't you glad that bashing Obama and his supporters is something that only the most abject

partisans would ever do, and that such posts were easily identified as divisive nonsense created by idiots? I know I am.

[DearAbby]

60. Someone have some Pepsi?

this :popcorn: is salty.

[Buns_of_Fire]

100. Have some of mine... But don't stop eating!

I figure my stock in Orville Redenbacher should be up at least 42% by the time the first primaries get here!

[Grandrose]

62. Desperate.....No Way!

Hillary supporters should take a look in the mirror, you are prolific mean and vicious bashers and have the audacity to whine.

Some of us are sick and tired of taking your crap and if you dish it out, it is silly and disingenuous to think others should sit back and take it.:grr:

[BeHereNow]

68. What I have noticed is the increase in flame bait posts.

And they reek of the 2004 posting invasion-
Maybe you should study some archived threads
and come up with a more original approach.

BHN

[Danger Mouse]

70. Ha! Desarate? Why?

She gives us plenty of ammunition!

[BenDavid]

74. "when they attack, they come off as desperate"

This is what a majority of the folks that watched the entire debate said in a poll afterwards. DESPARATE.....and you are correct when HRC took bigger leads in the early states the hate began more in earnest. Hell, HRC leads in Iowa by 10, NH by 18 and SC by 22...and she will not lose any ground from this last debate. HRC had a bad 10 minutes during the entire 120 minute debate and for 110 minutes she maintained control of that stage and came accross as the only one there which stood as president.

Oh and one other thing to all HRC supporters: Pew Research will come out today November 1st with their lastest poll and it states clearly "Should the race continue down its current trajectory, the poll finds Clinton defeating Giuliani by eight percentage points."(Pew) "In a hypothetical match-up between Hillary Clinton and Rudy Giuliani, bloc after bloc of traditionally Republican voters break for Clinton: She wins the South. She polls evenly with voters who attend church at least once a week. She splits families with a household income above $100,000. She loses rural voters and men — but only by a narrow margin. All are constituencies Republicans have dominated for decades; George W. Bush won each by double-digit margins."(Pew)

Pew questioned an unusually large number of voters to try to paint the most accurate picture possible of where the presidential contest stands today.A bigger sampling of the usual 700 to 1000 folks....

Great news
Ben David

[Tactical Progressive]

78. Thank you for the advance information David!

That is fantastic. It is so great to hear that the real world is giving Hillary the credit and the opportunity that she deserves, especially as DU has become just the opposite.

It's so very sad when DU is no longer an island of sanity that you can escape to, but instead an island of vicious, dishonest, Democrat-haters that you need to escape from.

[Faryn Balyncd]

76. Is "desperation" a RATIONAL response to seeing your friends marching off the edge of a cliff ?

[TwilightGardener]

79. Bitwit, you're taking this wayyy too personally. You're like those

soap opera fans who get sucked into the drama and yell at the TV. It's just politics. Jesus. It's not an "evil" Obama and his Stormtroopers picking on "poor little Hillary" and her rag-tag band of noble peasants. Get a grip, already.

[Bluebear]

89. :)

[B Calm]

80. How much money has Hillary taken from corporate lobbyists?

[CyberPieHole]

81. I'm sick and tired of all of the bashing going on in general...

Hillary seems to get the brunt of the attacks in my opinion. Though she's not my personal favorite, I think she's presidential and would probably do a great job in leading the U.S. out of the mess it is currently in.

[EFerrari]

82. Who are these Hilary and Obama people you speak of?

[Perry Logan]

85. Obama should sue his supporters here at DU. Edwards, too.

I came to DU a few months ago, favoring no particular candidate. But the attacks on Hillary have grossed me out completely. It's mind-boggling that the anti-Hillarites thought they were going to win support by emulating Freepers.

[Forkboy]

90. Yeah, you were nuetral when you got here.

:rofl:

[mike_c]

86. I really wish the Clintonista's would stop spamming DU....

Sheesh.

[tom_paine]

87. Yes,it is amazing that in a recent DU poll, 10% supported Hillary, but it SEEMS

like a lot more.

Hmmmmm. Where have I seen that before?

There is no question that Hillary (and I WILL vote for her if she is the Democratic nominee, Clintonista Spammers) is the most Bush-like of all our candidates. Her use of certain propaganda tools, her way of speaking, her tossing disloyals from her campaign events, all suggest this highly.

Is that what we as the Democratic Party have learned from these past seven years? If you can't beat 'em, join 'em? And no, I am not implying that Hillary or her supporters are Bushies, they have just decided to use Bushie strategies against their foes to prevail, which is bad enough IMHO.

Today's Message is DESPERATION: De-de-desp-despersation. Desperation. Did you hear me? I said DESPERATION. Gimme a record scratch (zwip zwii zizza zwip ze zee)

Desperation.

But yes, it is becoming clear that we have a VERY dedicated cadre of a mere 10% who's presence seems to indicate to the casual observer that her support at DU is 50% or more.

That sad truth is: Gestalt-based propaganda (or whavever it's scientific name is, if it yet has one) works. It worked in it's primitive form for Hitler and Stalin, it works even better in this most advanced version of it (I am speaking of Bushies here), with 60 more years of progress in psychology and PR/advertising/lying "truthfully".

It may always work, becoming ever more effective as the sciences behind it march onward.

And yes, it appears as if the Clintons have adapted this new structure as their own. This is not what many freedom-loving citizens meant when WE said fight back againt these tyrants.

And yes, I will vote for Hillary in November 2008 if she is the nominee.

[Mountainman]

93. That was not a real poll, not statistical at all. It means nothing.

[tom_paine]

97. Was it now? You suspect we have 100s of trolls posting votes for Kucinich and Edwards?

I very much understand it isn't scientifically valid poll and we ALL know the pitfalls of polls being freeped.

You can say it means nothing, butthe woman got a mere 11% of votes. Even if it WAS partially freeped, I think the overwhelming numbers indicated that, at the very least, Senator Clinton is not well-loved by the activist base who are the ones who knock on doors and make the phone calls.

You can dismiss the results as scientifically invalid, and I would have to agree with you.

You can dismiss the results as therefor having no meaning at all, and I would strongly disagree with you, particularly given the overwhelming numbers of DUers for whom Sen. Clinton is NOT our first candidate (and is, in fact, the very very LAST on our list of preferred candidates, meaning those who will take meaningful action to change the status quo which is rapdily trending towards tyranny).

Say what you will. Spin it as you will. But Hillary's 10%, even if is actually DOUBLED or TRIPLED, certainly represent thamselves as if they are a far larger portion than what they are.

And I cannot help but notice saimilarities to Bushie startegies of creating a False Reality Bubble of Inevitability. I apologize for the bias of reality, as Colbert would say, but there it is.

11%, or even a 30% sub-group, that apparently has enough time and money to sound as if they represent three-quarters of DU...where have I seen that before.

I am perilously close to acceding to the grim reality that nearly all Amerikan "elections" are kabuki theater, meant only to keep the Filthy Little Nobodies from getting wriled, much the same way Julius Caesar wanted to be King and in fact wound up being King, but had to call himself something different because calling himself King was the one thing that would rile the Filthy Little Nobodies.

Dismiss all you wish mountainman, but while the poll may not be scientifically valid, it is not entirly invalid either in the larger trends it points to among the Democratic Base.

Again, feel free to ignore reality but remember, denial catches up with everyone in the end.

[bpeale]

88. i'm hiding this thread. i'm sick of all this crap.

same shit over and over and over. get a life.

[MODemocrat]

94. I 'd like for six women at once to jump on one of those little boys

We'd really see something then; not six schoolyard bullies jumping on one girl. The more they berate Senator Clinton, the more determined it makes me to do everything in my power to help her win the nomination. I do not care for little creampuffs;

:thumbsdown:

[rucky]

96. I'd like six women to jump on...

nevermind.

[rucky]

95. Thank you for making me realize something.

the word "pathetic" annoys the shit out of me. After I read it or hear it, all I can think about is Ming The Merciless.

[boston bean]

98. No, but I have noticed the all out desperation of Hillary supporters. nt

[LWolf]

99. No.

I notice some among Hillary supporters; name calling is a good sign that they're leaving reason behind. "Bashers," "haters," etc.. a decided use of hyperbole that hints of desperation.

I don't feel any different about HRC than I did before she announced, and I haven't changed my position by a hair. I also didn't choose my position because I thought anyone else on DU or in the party gives a flying fuck what I think, so the determined march to an HRC nomination doesn't surprise me any, either.

I think that march is one of the worst mistakes ever made by the Democratic Party, I intend to hold those who make it accountable, and I certainly hope that it shifts onto another course before the convention, but that's not "desperation."