There is a massive conspiracy to keep the alien origins of UFOs from us.

[Pale Blue Dot]

It involves:

Any employee of NASA and all other governments' space agencies;
Employees of all of the corporations launching satellites into space;
All astronomers from around the world;
A large majority of air traffic controllers.

If we could just break this impenetrable wall of silence, the truth about UFOs could finally be revealed.

[KittyWampus]

1. you realise some air traffic controllers in Chicago not long ago reported a UFO?

Credible people do report things which prompltly go into the Memory Hole.

[Pale Blue Dot]

3. It's cumbling! The wall is crumbling!

It won't be long now!

[tridim]

6. No, the OP will ignore that fact

and continue to ridicule half of the population with lame arguments that mean nothing. I never knew so many DU'ers agreed with Russert and Tweety.

[Pale Blue Dot]

7. I'm a closet Freeper, too.

:rofl:

[tridim]

11. It's your mind, you can keep it closed if you want.

I notice you're ignoring the fact, just like I said you would.

[Pale Blue Dot]

12. ...

:rofl:

[mondo joe]

72. How do you feel about Creationism?

How about vampires?

What about ex-gay-conversion?

[librechik]

42. I read the official FAA report--remarkable for all the lies the airport off. tell!

it was a step by step debunking of the actual witnesses report versus what the managers and FAA said. In short, when the object was first reported, ATC laughed and mocked the report, and wouldn't even stick their heads outside their offices to see it over the terminal!

There was a radar sig, numerous witnesses and supposedly photos.

Not worth a look! People will laugh!

[smoogatz]

94. They report them all the time.

It's true: highly credible people who spend a lot of time looking at the sky occasionally see weird shit they can't explain. When such incidents are reported in the media, UFO enthusiasts (a highly excitable lot, generally) immediately claim that any sighting of weird, unexplained stuff in the sky is proof that aliens are visiting earth. Then meteorologists and astronomers and Air Force colonels and other actual experts in studying weird stuff in the sky generally offer an explanation: it was a weather phenomenon or asteroid or the planet Venus or maybe an experimental aircraft that can do some crazy, unconventional stuff. The public says "Oh, okay," and goes on about its collective life. The UFO enthusiasts, never satisfied, claim that any rational explanation of such events is bogus, and further evidence of a conspiracy to suppress the truth, i.e., that hundreds (if not thousands) of extremely shy aliens in hundreds (if not thousands) of highly advanced spacecraft have been visiting earth for an unspecified length of time (since antiquity, maybe) for unspecified purposes (they find humans delicious when properly prepared?), traveling across vast reaches of space/time in order to do so. Every leader of every developed country since Eisenhower has been in on the conspiracy, as have many of their cabinet members, every member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, hundreds of congressmen and senators over time, hundreds of high-level staffers, and thousands of need-to-know federal employees at the Pentagon and the CIA. The "fact" of UFO visitation is, in fact, the longest held secret in the history of ANY government (that we know about!). Of course, keeping the secret is made easier by the aliens themselves, who prefer (for reaons unknown) to keep their presence secret, except when they engage in showy nocturnal aerobatics over major cities, of course. Strangely, no alien spacecraft has ever crashed (except the one in Roswell!) or been captured (ditto!) or even definitively photographed, filmed or videotaped, despite the near ubiquity of cameras/camcorders in all corners of the globe. On the other hand, thousands upon thousands of verified fakes have been exposed as such, and hundreds (if not thousands) of hoaxsters and scam-artists have found ways to make a living by selling the UFO myth to gullible and unstable people. That being the case, the rational response is probably to withhold judgment pending further/better evidence. Yes, it's theoretically possible; yes, there's a lot of weird unexplained shit going on in the sky; no, that doesn't mean we're being visited by alien spacecraft.

[BridgeTheGap]

2. The Disclosure Project is attempting to do this

The Disclosure Project is a nonprofit research project working to fully disclose the facts about UFOs, extraterrestrial intelligence, and classified advanced energy and propulsion systems. We have over 400 government, military, and intelligence community witnesses testifying to their direct, personal, first hand experience with UFOs, ETs, ET technology, and the cover-up that keeps this information secret.

http://www.disclosureproject.org/

[Pale Blue Dot]

5. Thanks! I forgot about the thousands of employees of the Federal Government,

past and present, who are working to keep the truth from us.

[The Straight Story]

4. ok, so if some dude from Nasa says the ufo's are aliens, you will believe right?

:)

[Pale Blue Dot]

8. It takes but one stone to start an avalanche. nt

[flyingfysh]

9. UFOs come from Mexico??

:spank:

[lovuian]

10. Yes and Dennis Kucinich was one of the first candidates who

came out on TV and said he believed

He will be one of the few who tells the truth
when history records it all

[LunaSea]

13. Page 362 of the NASA employee handbook...

"If you reveal the Alien orgin of UFOs, we will KILL you."

There's a tag on every telescope you can buy with a similar warning, binoculars too.

How is it they can only get to some of the ATCs? Is it something in the coffee?

[lovuian]

14. I loved how Richardson even is curious at where is this Data

and he has been in high posts in the government

there is a shadow government and I think UFO's are in the forefront of why it exists

[Pale Blue Dot]

15. Oh, no doubt. nt

[SoCalDem]

16. No thank you.. I do not want to join Scientology.

:rofl:

[Virginia Dare]

17. You forgot the Navy and the Air Force...n/t

[rAVES]

18. Hmmm...

I have read and seen some stuff that made me scratch my head..
Its a tough cookie, on the one hand it could be a massive conspiracy concocted by the US to give some cover to black projects like the Blackbird in its day, and the aurora these days.

of course, that works both ways.

I'd love it to be true, I really would, to have first contact in my lifetime would be awesome.

[kestrel91316]

22. I'm reading the book Dark Eagles right now about various "black"

aviation projects (some of which my dad in the USAF worked on). I happen to think the UFO speculation is GREAT cover for the secret military aviation projects, so the government likes to keep us all wondering and distracted.

[Warren DeMontague]

19. No, you underestimate the scope of the conspiracy. We already know all about it.

The conspiracy involves every single person on this planet (and a good number of pets) --- everyone except you.

In fact, we're holding up a sign about it behind your head, right now. If you turn around or look in a mirror, it will be gone, of course.

Boo!

[Pale Blue Dot]

20. I KNEW it!

You all thought you could fool me, but I'm too smart for you.

[ProfessorGAC]

36. My Dog Is In On It

No, really! He is. He's a sneaky devil, that dog.
The Professor

[Milo_Bloom]

21. Many of those people have been coming forward for YEARS.

Astronauts, Astronomers, Pilots, Air Traffic Controllers, Satellite Operators, Military personal.

[tridim]

23. That's just the PHONY Astronauts, Astronomers, Pilots, etc..

Limbaugh would be so proud of some of our DU'ers today.

[Milo_Bloom]

26. I did notice something interesting.

Approximatley the same % of people who approve of bush's job, completely close their mind to the world around them.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2153853

Hmmmmm.

I think we have a new conspiracy theory brewing!

[Pale Blue Dot]

24. I KNOW! And then the conspirators arrange it so that their evidence

looks less than "convincing". Or they say that there is a "logical explanation". Someone has to finally expose the truth!

[Milo_Bloom]

25. Not at all.

The "logical explanation" almost always given is "they must be lying".

Well, the "they must by lying" line can be used to discount.. well, anything.


Victim: Yes, that is the man who shot me.
Criminal: "They must be lying"
Police: Let him go.

Scott Ritter: There are no WMD in Iraq, I know because I was there.
Right wing media: "He must be lying"
Congress: "QUICK, WE MUST INVADE."

Russ Feingold: "The Patriot Act is an afront to the constitution and our civil liberties"
Bush Administration: "He must be lying"
Rest of the Senate: VOTE FOR IT!

[Pale Blue Dot]

27. See. You've totally proven the point.

How could anyone refute your argument? Unless... they were in on it.

:shrug:

[Milo_Bloom]

28. Not in on it, just ignorant.

[Pale Blue Dot]

29. True, true. nt

[Milo_Bloom]

30. Well, at least you admit...

That thousand of the people you claimed should come forward have, in fact, come forward.

We call that... progress.

[0rganism]

31. I've done the research. They're all from Mars.

We'll have to fight them at Cydonia Mensae if we don't want to fight them here.

Oh wait, that was "X-Com:UFO Defense" -- nevermind. :)

[slowry]

32. I'm just gonna quote myself here, from another post, because it never gets replies...

Go out and find out who they are. Someone, anyone on Earth, buy a serious camera, with serious non-digital zoom, with serious quality, take some serious photography courses, and get us a honest-to-gawd picture of an alien spacecraft, where the ratio of sky to said craft is better than 400 to 1. Video would be nice too. I mean high-quality, professional stuff.

At the same time, grab some other instruments (and here my ignorance of such things precludes specifics) to capture data on its heat/radiation properties, size, composition, ... and so on. Document this endeavor fully, to make it clear nothing was staged.

Surely you can't be satisfied knowing life from who-knows-where, in our almost incomprehensibly massive universe, is visiting us, and not knowing a damn thing about them, or if it's possible to communicate with them, or whatever.

[NoodleBoy]

33. I can't wait for the day when the truth about UFO's comes out-- they will no longer be called UFO's,

they will be called, "I don't know what that is but it looks like an object which is in the air."

Then all those millions of fascist air traffic controllers and pilots will have to fess up.

[semillama]

98. but then they'd be called IDKWTIBILLAOWITAs

try saying that three times fast!

[Stinky The Clown]

34. The arrogance of certitude

The arrogance from which springs the notion that of the billions of stars with their billions and billions of planets, only **we** are special.

Sorry, freshman Statistics blows to hell any notion that we're alone.

[Pale Blue Dot]

35. Exactly. And I love how they try to use the "laws of physics" against us.

I can see through that bullshit.

[Milo_Bloom]

37. The laws of physics explicitly say it is possible.

[Disturbed]

38. Interesting photo-s 2006

http://ufoevidence.org/photographs/section/topphotos/fi...

Have they been discredited?

[Milo_Bloom]

39. Link didn't work?

However, to be honest, I am not a big fan of UFO photos as proof of anything, since they are so easy to fake.

I put lots more stock in the work of theoretical physicists who teach us that intersteller travel is entirely possible, but would require enourmous amounts of energy (probably harnessing the power of a sun), which is WAaaaaay beyond us at this point.

I also put a lot of stock in the people who have come forward over the years, Astronauts, Military, Scientists, Pilots, Air Traffic Controllers, NASA Employees and stated that they are real and/or not explained by the official "explanations" given.

[Disturbed]

41. "WAaaaaay beyond us at this point."

If other beings exist beyond our Solar System how many years older would the nearest civilization be compared to ours?

[Milo_Bloom]

44. Who knows?

The "universe" is believed to be around 15 billion years old and earth around 5 billion years.

Check out this article

http://www.mkaku.org/articles/trip_spacetime.html

"Ted Roe, executive director of the privately funded National Aviation Reporting Center on Anomalous Phenomena, found in an aircrew survey of a major airline that 25 percent of the respondents had seen something they couldn't explain, but virtually no one had reported it. Aircrews, like untenured physicists, can get the sack for reporting a UFO sighting.

But if UFOs are real, then so is interstellar space travel, even though “when you talk about going faster than light speed, then you're talking about the energy of stars,” Kaku said.

For Earth, this is probably attainable in “100,000 to 1 million years,” Kaku added. “When I look at the age of the universe, I see that we've attained technology in the blink of an eye. There's plenty of time.”

[mondo joe]

53. There are more economic ways than interstellar travel for alien species to

contact us if they want to. Very poor reasoning.

[Milo_Bloom]

62. Not at all.

Your assuming the goal is "contact".

You also assume to have a clue as to the technology.

[mondo joe]

63. I stand corrected. The goal is cow assholes.

It all makes sense now.

[Milo_Bloom]

65. Probably not.

But the fact remains, you don't have a clue.

[mondo joe]

69. You're wrong, and I have proof positive.

:-)

[Milo_Bloom]

87. Nope.

[mondo joe]

95. Sorry, but I do.

I was told telepathically that you're wrong.

[Milo_Bloom]

99. Nope.

[Polemicist]

77. Interstellar travel is easy...

All you gotta have is a warp drive.

[TZ]

48. the laws of statisitcs probablility and physics also say

That it is HIGHLY UNLIKELY that contact could happen...but not that it wouldn't happen. Most UFO skeptics think its unlikely that we are alone in the universe but the also feel the odds of intelligent contact with us are very very small

[Milo_Bloom]

49. Not really true.

Although I guess you save somewhat with the qualifier of "most UFO Skeptics" so you already shrink the list of available scientists by an amount.

Statistics doesn't really play much of a roll in this equation, from any reasonable angle, since we are fairly easy to spot on a map, so to speak. They wouldn't have to just throw darts at the universe.

In 2008 we are going to launch a satellite that will have the job of detecting potential life bearing planets. Once we find them, as we know we will, we will aim our listening equipment in their direction and search specifically for signs of radio waves, micro waves, etc.

If you take a civilization capable of controlling space-time (which we are already working towards in the lab with the "teleportation" of molecules) and take our own methods for finding potential "earth like" planets, it doesn't take too much of a leap to realize how easily and in fact LIKELY it would be for another civilization to "find" us.

Lets even take 5000 years of scientific evolution (a tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny fraction of universal time) and do you think it would be that hard for us to find a planet capable of sustaining life that has been broadcasting for the past 80 years?

[mondo joe]

52. Yeah, realy true. Even Carl Sagan didn't buy into UFO/Paranormal tripe, even though

he was confident of life on other planets and spent his life working toward communicating with it.

[Milo_Bloom]

55. No, not really true.

Its sad that some people believe it to be so, but it isn't.

[Pale Blue Dot]

57. It is sad.

I've been crying all day. Really.

[Milo_Bloom]

59. As you should be.

I am glad you have seen the error or your ways.

[mondo joe]

58. Yeah, really true. Carl Sagan wrote at length about the improbabilty of alien visits

to the earth.

Carl Sagan understood the difference between WANT and EVIDENCE.

[Milo_Bloom]

61. No, not really true.

Despite the writings of one single scientist on the subject.

[TZ]

73. And the theory of relativity doesn't apply

because of the writings of a single scientist, right?

[Milo_Bloom]

88. Nice attempt

But correlation doesn't apply either.

When you can dispute actual facts, let me know.

[TZ]

90. When you have more data than

Its true becasue I SAY ITS TRUE, let me know. I haven't seen anything from you outside of "Your wrong, I'm right, just cause!"
BTW if you don't know that Carl Sagan (and Stephen Hawking) are THE experts in this area your knowledge of astronomy and physics are sadly lacking.
Carl Sagan wrote the fictional story "Contact" for jeebus sake but still thought that the odds are too long for actual contact in real life. So don't accuse him of being closed minded. I bet you he wanted to find intelligent life more than most..But wanting doesn't make it so...

[Milo_Bloom]

100. Already provided....

It's true, because I proved it so, by providing links to the statements of others.

A relgion seems to have formed around Carl Sagan saying he doesn't believe it is likely, the same way Einstein said it is likely there is a creator.

And yes, Carl Sagan was close minded. Close minded people can write books. Check out Tom Clancy.

[mondo joe]

51. The statisical liklihood of sentient life outside earth,and aliens coming to earth to probe assholes

are two VERY different things.

[Milo_Bloom]

68. Not really.

Although, as usual, those w/o facts jump straight to the absurd as some rationale for trying to prove their point.

[mainegreen]

96. Statistics does no such thing. n/t

[qdemn7]

97. There's a great deal of difference

Between "We Are Not Alone" and Earth being the Cosmic Crossroads of the Universe for UFOs.

Do I believe "We Are Not Alone"? Absolutely.

Do I believe we are constantly visited by Aliens? Absolutely Not.

[Chovexani]

40. Oh for fuck's sake

This is not about whether or not UFOs are extra terrestrial in origin, it's about the very real conspiracy against any Dem who does not march to the corporate drumbeat.

Why wasn't Kooch asked about Universal Health Care, impeachment, or civil rights for LGBT? Why was he singled out with the "fruitcake" question?

Kooch was set up, point blank, but because of his integrity he actually answered the question truthfully. And, like clockwork, y'all are jumping on his "woo-woo" instead of questioning why this was even brought up by Russert in the first place...it was about making the one guy in the room who stands unequivocally for civil rights (not just marriage equality, health care is also a civil right IMO) and bringing the Bush Crime Family to justice look like a fool. Yes, let's kick the "batshit" guy. Very big of you.

Disappointed here, but not surprised.

[Disturbed]

43. There have been many post deriding Russert.

Of course, he asked that question to knock Kuch down. It didn't work though.

Try this link: http://ufoevidence.org/photographs/section/topphotos/firstpage.htm

[Joe Fields]

66. That didn't surprise me nearly as much as the fact that Kucinich

indulged Russert and his "gotcha" question.

[Johonny]

45. I saw Transformers

the secret is out.

[TZ]

46. I have to hand it to you..

You have some real balls. Seriously. Pretty funny though, for a closed minded fundamentalist skeptic....;-)

[Pale Blue Dot]

50. ...

Thank you. Coming from you, that's an honor. :D :thumbsup:

[cigsandcoffee]

47. If people want to believe in magical flying sky fairies, that's fine.

Personally, I think UFO people are a little kooky, but we all have quirks of some kind.

[mondo joe]

54. But the ways these paranormal scammers rip off the gulible is a real shame.

Whether it's Aura Healing, UFOs, gay conversion therapy or Benny Hinn, they are scamming people. Just from a consumer protection perspctive, it sucks.

[cigsandcoffee]

56. Buyer beware. People need to be savvy to get by.

And anyway, I don't think anyone has lost their fortunes over a belief in UFOs. God, I'd hope not, anyway.

[mondo joe]

60. Yeah - but we have plenty of regulations to protect consumers in other areas.

It's too bad so many scammers work around them.

[Rex]

64. It would probably drive the non-critical thinkers insane.

They would crap their collective pants. Better the ignorant masses don't know.

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

67. I don't mind at all if you find out about where we're from.

:evilgrin:

[Renwiick]

70. A UFO is like a secret garden that you don't want to share with anyone else but yourself.

[omega minimo]

82. and i believe those who have described seeing UFOs first person

beautiful post

[pitohui]

71. proof?

some of the gemini astronauts reported seeing ufos, they weren't silenced, pilots report seeing ufos, they're not silenced, there really isn't so much silence on this topic as you imagine unless you only get your news from the mass media which has been bored w. the topic since about 1976

the reason the truth can't be revealed is we don't know the truth, IMHO

[smoogatz]

74. Why is it that in a world in which every 15-year-old has a freaking video camera

in his freaking cell-phone, there still isn't one credible, definitive video or photo of an alien spacecraft?

[Prophet 451]

75. Because if they did, it wouldn't be credible

When people say they want "credible" evidence, what they actually mean is "from someone I trust, in a format I like and I'm going to pick on the tiniest flaw, technical problem or mistake in their story as proof of falsity". There are literally thousands of photos and videos out there. Some are obvious fakes, others are obviously misidentified natural phonomena but a few are genuinely unexplaianable but every time anything is brought up, every single tiny flaw is trotted out to explain why it can't be real. There's thousands of witness statements too. Again, some are obvious bullshit but some are from very credible people who'd be in a position to know what they were seeing (i.e. pilots, astronomers, etc). Ever heard the story about the blind men and the elephant? Virtually everyone in UFO research, both for and against, is holding the tail and proclaiming the elephant is very like a piece of rope.

I have no idea if aliens are visiting the planet or not. Personally, I doubt it but I do know that one will never see any evidence if one has already made up their mind that it can't exist (like the OP here). Remember, the truth may be out there but lies are in your head.

EDIT: Beside, have you ever actually tried getting a decent shot on a cellphone camera?

[pitohui]

76. many videos exist

there are many many MANY videos, hell, in the mid 90s, 1 million people in mexico city saw the ufos with their own eyes, and there are a great many videos just from that event

saying loudly that there are no photos or videos, which debunkers always do, just proves the ignorance of the debunker

while i do not personally accept the alien origin theory of ufos without more proof, there is clearly something going on that can be seen and recorded, and a lot of people have seen it, recorded it, and published the proof

as human animals we are uncomfortable w. what we can't explain so we close our eyes and pretend it ain't there

[smoogatz]

83. You're ducking the question.

I didn't ask why there weren't any videos of UFOs (let's remember what the acronym stands for); of course there are thousands. Every time there's an unexplained light in the sky, it seems like somebody catches it on video. I asked why there isn't one credible, definitive video or photo of an alien spacecraft. A weird light in the sky isn't an alien spacecraft: it's a weird light in the sky that could be all kinds of things other than an alien spacecraft. I want to see pictures or videos that are confirmed, incontrovertible proof of the existence of alien spacecraft. If you've got links, I'd be hapy to check them out. If we're being visited by aliens, why are they so camera-shy?

[Amonester]

85. Maybe they don't really want to give...

monkeys like BushCheney and their freepers any idea about bombing them (or about invading THEIR planet and torture their kids so they can get away for stealing whatever fuels they might have in stock).

My conspiracy theory.

[smoogatz]

93. Given the advanced technology (and/or incredible longevity) they'd have to

possess just to get here--even from the closest star systems--I doubt they'd be all that worried about a putz like Cheney. I don't know, of course, but my guess is that if aliens in large numbers ever bothered to visit earth it'd be more like "Mars Attacks" than "Close Encounters."

[SnowGoose]

78. At one time cigarettes weren't considered hazardous by the medical establishment.

Was it a conspiracy of the physicians? Not so much, their understanding was just based on models that were incomplete enough to permit that opinion. Conspiracy isn't required.

I'm not saying that UFO's, either in the aggregate or in any specific case, represent a form of transportation (or anything else) built by a species from another planet. I am, however, offering a gentle reminder that the first extrasolar planet wasn't even confirmed until 1992, and the first time we actually directly imaged a planet outside our solar system was in 2004.

Having grown up under the absolute insistence that the earth is 6000 years old, I guess I'm just very conscious of the fact that time after time in history, we've discovered that the universe we inhabit is considerably more complicated than the best models of the day can imagine.

Baby steps. We don't know enough yet to be getting cocky.

Edited to add the afterthought:
The 6000 year old earth thing also taught me that there's plenty of kooks out there too, so a bit of healthy but humble skepticism is a good tonic as well.

[Islander Expat]

79. All life on planet Earth came from somewhere else in the universe

probably little or nothing originated here, its the island effect.

This will soon become apparent and will be the biggest shock to the Bible bangers since the realization that the Earth was round.

[varkam]

80. If all life came from "somewhere else"

then where did life come from, originally? At some point you're going to have life forming on a rock, somewhere.

[Islander Expat]

101. Well we don't know that yet do we?

Take it one step at a time...

[omega minimo]

81. so you're not aware of the professionals you list who HAVE observed UFOs?

How'd ya manage that? :hide:

[TZ]

91. seeing an unexplained phenomena

is not proof in itself that its "space aliens". I would think any "professionals" in the science field who have seen something unexplained would say its unexplained and not little green men

[omega minimo]

102. who said it was?

:shrug:

[Vanje]

84. Just today, Wierd lights were photographed .....

...flying around Bush's head


What can it mean?

[eridani]

86. What part of "Unidentified" means "We don't know what it was"

--is it that you don't understand?

[Amonester]

89. :

Cosmonaut Victor Afanasyev

"It followed us during half of our orbit. We observed it on the light side, and when we entered the shadow side, it disapeared completely. It was an engineered structure, made from some type of metal, approximately 40 meters long with inner hulls. The object was narrow here and wider here, and inside there were openings. Some places had projections like small wings. The object stayed very close to us. We photographed it, and our photos showed it to be 23 to 28 meters away. "-Cosmonaut Victor Afanasyev commenting on a UFO siting that occured while en route to the Solyut 6 space station in April of 1979.



Astronaut Scott Carpenter

"At no time, when the astronauts were in space were they alone: there was a constant surveillance by UFOs. "-Astronaut Scott Carpenter--Carpenter photographed a UFO while in orbit on May 24, 1962. NASA still has not released the photograph.



Astronaut James McDivitt

"At one stage we even thought it might be necessary to take evasive action to avoid a collision. "-Astronaut James McDivitt commenting on an orbital encounter he and Ed White had with a "weird object" with arm-like extensions which approached their capsule. Later in the flight they saw two similar objects over the caribbean.



Mercury Astronaut Donald Slayton

"I was testing a P-51 fighter in Minneapolis when I spotted this object. I was at about 10,000 feet on a nice, bright, sunny afternoon. I thought the object was a kite, then I realized that no kite is gonna fly that high. As I got closer it looked like a weather balloon, gray and about three feet in diameter. But as soon as I got behind the darn thing it didn't look like a balloon anymore. It looked like a saucer, a disk. About the same time, I realized that it was suddenly going way from me -- and there I was, running at about 300 miles per hour. I tracked it for a little way, and then all of a sudden the damn thing just took off. It pulled about a 45 degree climbing turn and accelerated and just flat disappeared." -Donald Slayton, Mercury astronaut, in a 1951 interview.



Major Robert White

"There ARE things out there! There absolutely is! "-Major Robert White exclaiming over the radio about a UFO encounter taking place on a 58 mile high X-15 flight on July 17, 1962. He later reported "I have no idea what it could be. It was greyish in color and about thirty to forty feet away. "

[Duppers]

92. hey, you can't include ALL NASA employees

Not all of 'em are included in a cover-up, believe me. It's like any other organization. The black ops keep things to themselves.

But you weren't serious about that, were you?
For the record, I believe in them---even saw one in north Knoxville back in the '70's.