Harold Ford: "I caution anybody who continues to talk about the past" in Iraq

[madfloridian]

The reporter in this Newsweek interview really pumps him about things. He gave a warning to the grassroots...that must be the millionth warning to us. He cautioned us not to keep delving into the past about Iraq.

Harold Ford: ‘I Caution Some in Our Party’

Here is one question and answer:

Answer: I wouldn't call it pro-war.

Question: It was in 2003.

Answer: Well, pro-war doesn't mean that we support the way this president has gone about fighting. We were supportive of removing Saddam Hussein, instilling stability in the country, reducing the threat that America faced from Al Qaeda and, equally important, the threat we thought was posed by Saddam Hussein. If we knew then what we know now … I was in the Congress; I would not have voted for the resolution. But at the same time, we're in a different place now. I caution anybody who continues to talk about the past on this issue.

If we don't understand the past, we are doomed to repeat it...and Iran is on the radar now.

The reporter repeatedly asked about Hillary Clinton and her leadership role there. He denied that, saying it would not be right.

Question: Does Hillary Clinton still have a formal role at the DLC?

Question:No.

Question: She's still listed on your Web site as part of the DLC leadership team.

Question: Right. But you can't have a formal role and still run for president with the DLC. You can be on various committees, but you can't have a formal role, no.

Question: What does it mean that she's part of the DLC leadership team?

Answer; Meaning she's a former DLC chair. Meaning two years ago she chaired another effort in the DLC … on how to expand home ownership, how to expand college opportunity, how to expand job creation. John Edwards is on the leadership team as well. So is Joe Biden.

Question: But her picture is right there with yours and others as a prominent leader … She's the one who is listed there. It's not John Edwards.

Answer: You ought to go back and look. I think you may see others listed as well. As you know, it is illegal for the organization to endorse anybody.

Harold, I really need to remind you that your group had a meeting and press conference in 2003 to announce to all present that Howard Dean was not to be the candidate.

Dean is not the man to do it," Reed and From wrote.

More than 50 centrist Democrats, including Virginia Gov. Mark R. Warner, met here yesterday to plot strategy for the "New Democrat" movement. To help get the ball rolling they read a memo by Al From and Bruce Reed, the chairman and president of the Democratic Leadership Council. The memo dismissed Dean as an elitist liberal from the "McGovern-Mondale wing" of the party -- "the wing that lost 49 states in two elections, and transformed Democrats from a strong national party into a much weaker regional one."

....""We are increasingly confident that President Bush can be beaten next year, but Dean is not the man to do it," Reed and From wrote. "Most Democrats aren't elitists who think they know better than everyone else."

Maybe, Harold, that would be called a non-endorsement and would be ok.

I wonder why if Hillary is not still a leader in your group that her Dream Initiative was unveiled on your site recently.

Hillary's ADI ready for download



I don't understand your denial, Harold Ford. Her picture is still listed with the others at your website. We all know that she and Bill Clinton are integral parts of the group.


Left to right: Ford, Carper, Hillary, Al From

And lastly his advice to the "activist wing" of the party. Gee, there has been a lot of that lately. Some of us activists are and were very moderate people, so we need to stop with the lectures and warnings.

Questrion: You're saying to the activist wing of the Democratic Party, which refers to the DLC as irrelevant—

It's hard to challenge people or argue with people who just won't pay attention to the facts. Markos and I have gotten beyond it. We've had our conversation. Those who want to continue the fight between the DLC and the left of the party, the only thing you're doing is strengthening John McCain, Fred Thompson, Mitt Romney, and Rudy Giuliani. Our fight is not with one another. Our challenge is to convince the majority of people in this great country that we have the ideas, the fortitude, and, frankly, the discipline to lead the country.

Then if that is true, read what we say. Listen to our words. We are not fools and idiots. We want what is best for our country, and we are intelligent enough to know when we are being talked down to and treated as though we are unimportant.

WE were the ones who were right about Iraq. WR were the ones who were right about giving in to Bush so much on those judges. We were right, you were wrong.

That is no satisfaction, though, trust me.

We have to discuss the Iraq drumbeat to war, because the same thing is happening now about Iran.....and we are not able to get your ear to convince you.

[Tom Joad]

1. what a shitbag of a politician.

[ShortnFiery]

2. Yes, remember Ford Challenged Pelosi for her minority position on the basis that she's too liberal?

Oh please?!? Ford is such a meatball. :(

[...of J.Temperance]

13. Well according to SOME here, Nancy Pelosi is NEARLY a "neo-Con", or have you

Forgot all of the Nancy Pelosi bashing threads from a week or so ago?

[Tom Joad]

46. She is very extreme in support of the worst of Israeli policies, for example.

people have died as a result. (not speaking up for a quick cease-fire last year during the US sponsored destruction of Lebanon by Israel, for example)
but no one of consequence to the Dem Party.

[Cha]

60. She hasn't "forgotten"...your

post has nothing to do with what she was stating about the sycophant ford.

[...of J.Temperance]

12. Harold Ford Jr. isn't a "shitbag of a politician"....he makes a lot of sense

Maybe you should start to listen to what he's saying sometimes, his advice is rather good and intelligent.

[Richard Steele]

43. Sorry, I'm sticking with "shitbag". And a LYING shitbag he is, too!

nm

[Elidor]

44. He spouts republican talking points

See post #3. Oh, he's a shitbag all right.

[Tom Joad]

47. he is making as much sense as Cheney/Lieberman ... they should

have special rooms for people like that.
I think they do, actually, but that is where these people should be.

[burythehatchet]

49. You're correct, he's a flaming shitbag.

[Cha]

61. harold ford is a pandering,

sycophanantical, dead in the middle of the road, dino loser clueless.. fingerwagger.

[sampsonblk]

83. Shitbag

No question. No permanent beliefs. Only political positions. He is scum.

[Jim Sagle]

You're being unfair to shitbags.

[Jim Sagle]

85. Self-delete - dupe.

[mod mom]

95. I'm sticking with shitbag, as well.

[Whisp]

54. a lieing steaming pile of a shitbag.

[Demeter]

86. Yeah, But He's Our Shitbag--Or Maybe Not?

If he WERE ours, we could get rid of him....

[indepat]

88. Early in his first term, I publicly implored Ford to become a statesman rather than just another

a dime-a-dozen politician: sadly he chose to become a dime-a-dozen politician and a shitbag of a politician to boot.

[WinkyDink]

3. Complete and utter criminal nonsense. "We were supportive of removing Saddam Hussein,...." WHY?????

Since when can one sovereign nation simply "remove" the head of another sovereign nation??!

"... instilling stability in the country," ~~~IT WAS STABLE BEFORE WE INVADED.

"...reducing the threat that America faced from Al Qaeda...."~~~WHERE IN IRAQ WAS AL-QAEDA??

"...and, equally important, the threat we thought was posed by Saddam Hussein." LIES, LIES, LIES.

"I caution anybody...."~~~ARE YOU ARI FLEISCHER?? CAUTION THIS!

[Tom Joad]

4. I am supportive of removing Bush and Ford. Let's march on DC!

[WinkyDink]

7. I've marched. 1971, 2003. At close to 58, I'll leave marching to the next generation now.

[...of J.Temperance]

16. Marching doesn't achieve anything

Not in today's political environment....marching and protesting don't achieve anything.

[Tom Joad]

48. voting hardly does anything either. not when the "opposition" is but an

echo of the original.

[loudsue]

97. The british loyalists are alive and well, I see.

With that kind of attitude, we'd still be singing "Hail to the Queen".

[Cha]

62. Thank you for marching then..

I was too busy with my own life to think about the larger world..but I'm into it now!

[...of J.Temperance]

14. Harold Ford Jr. is one of the most talented Democrats around

Yeah he didn't win the Tennessee Senate race, but that was solely down to the fact, that unfortunately Tennessee has become A LOT more Right-Wing in the past 5-10 years.

Actually, Harold Ford Jr. will one day, become the first Black POTUS.

[Clark2008]

34. Um... actually Tennessee is more blue now.

Ford didn't win because there is still racism. He couldn't make up that 5 percent deficit of racists in ALL the parties.

[burythehatchet]

50. sssshhhhhh! Its more funny this way.

[Horse with no Name]

71. He may win as a republican

but certainly not as a Democrat.

[sampsonblk]

92. Not if I can help it!

[HardWorkingDem]

5. I want some Chickenshit politician to explain to me...

why is that I, an educated liberal, not in the Congress, knew going into Iraq was based on lies and bullshit and this is just from listening to the right sources?

How is that I, and many people for that matter (many here at DU), knew from the start the tales the Bush Administration were telling were utter falsehoods.

How is that I, and many others, watched Colin Powell go before the UN, make his fabled speech and knew it AT THE TIME, it was full of myths?

I am so sick and goddamned tired of Democrats, politicians and others, who should have KNOWN better, to quit hiding behind being tricked by the Bush's and bad intelligence and stand up for their ignorance.

When scientists and people with no interests stand before us and tell us, no, that is not a goddamned mobile death lab, the Iraqis only have balsa wood planes, don't have the capabilities to drop a bomb on England in 45 minutes, Iraq isn't trying to buy yellowcake from Niger and the aluminum tubes are not for fissile material, then Congress should listen.

So in other words, people like Harold Ford can kiss my ass.

[...of J.Temperance]

15. If you read what Harold Ford Jr. said, he ACTUALLY said that IF

He knew THEN what he KNOWS NOW, then he WOULDN'T have voted for the IWR....he admits right there, with that senstence, that they were hoodwinked by the W Gang's cherry-picked intelligence.


On Edit: Dammit spelling error

[HardWorkingDem]

19. I understand that, but....

how is it that he did not know the same stuff that many of us did know as the march to war unfolded?

I saw this dog and pony show the first time around with Iraq (babies being pulled from incubators, Iraq amassing its military on the Saudi Arabia border - when CIA images showed otherwise, et cetera).

Let's face it - every Democrat (except Joementum) who voted for this damn war did so out of fear of receiving the same treatment Max Cleland did - in other words, instead of doing what was right, they voted to protect their asses in the next election. No excuse for it.

And I admit, my memory of the IWR vote time line might be off a bit, but no one will ever be able to tell me that in the inner corridors of Washington, DC, there were not CIA operatives and intelligence people secretly screaming to certain politicians that the information Bush was peddling was bullshit.

[...of J.Temperance]

20. You make a good point

"Let's face it - every Democrat (except Joementum) who voted for this damn war did so out of fear of receiving the same treatment Max Cleland did - in other words, instead of doing what was right, they voted to protect their asses in the next election. No excuse for it."

A politicians main priority is keeping their seat. What the GOP did to Senator Cleland, was DISGUSTING....a man who ACTUALLY WORE a uniform, unlike that twit Saxby Chambliss....a man who left three of his four limbs on the battlefield....and those freaks ran a series of outageous and downright ugly ads against him.

The Democrats knew that the GOP were going to portray us as "weak on terrorism" during a time, when the majority of the public was STILL buying W's horsecrap and allowing themselves to be scared out of their skins by an almost "Reds Under The Bed" type propaganda blitz.

So yeah, the Democrats who voted for the IWR voted out of fear, fear that they'd be subjected to the same treatment as Senator Cleland was subjected to and fear that they'd be portrayed as being "weak on terrorism"

And you know, I'm a DLCer and I'm probably one of the FEW proud and open DLCer's that you'll EVER get to admit what I just admitted.

What the Democratic politicians did that voted for the IWR, was it right? No it wasn't....but I UNDERSTAND WHY they felt that they HAD to vote for the IWR....the GOP scheduled the vote mere WEEKS before the mid-term elections.

[HardWorkingDem]

22. And if they had not voted for it now, imagine where the Dems would be...

I imagine there would have been a good chance some would have lost their seats, but let's face it - they would have been right to vote against it and possibly today there would be even larger majorities in the House and Senate. Then some real action could take place when it comes to Iraq. And possibly John Kerry would be president because he might not have ever made that 87 billion remark in the first place.

Hell, he should have voted against it in the first place because his seat was always safe.

The Dems who voted for it simply did so out of self-preservation and to me, in this case, this was not an honorable thing to do at all.

[Whisp]

58. I don't think you realize how insane this sounds...

"""What the Democratic politicians did that voted for the IWR, was it right? No it wasn't....but I UNDERSTAND WHY they felt that they HAD to vote for the IWR....the GOP scheduled the vote mere WEEKS before the mid-term elections.""""


guess there's no point in explaining as you are so loyal to that war club of yours with your kind 'understanding'. I am thoroughly sickened. I am vomiting.

[The Wizard]

94. The reply to looking weak on terrorism

is not looking weak in the face of fist shaking Republicans. Those who stand for nothing will fall for anything.
"The only thing you find in the middle of the road are yellow stripes and dead armadillos."
(Jim Hightower)

[Whisp]

56. isn't that what Hillary says...

did they all get the same instructions on how to answer that bomb?

shitbags, the lot of them. I don't know how you can defend these lieing deceitful swine.

[Le Taz Hot]

38. They knew better.

And they voted exactly the way they were beholden to vote by those who put them in power. It's a different game now and we keep trying to play by the same old rules. It's the reason the corporatists have been so successful. The ONLY way to obtain true representational democracy is to get rid of the corpo-whores. The enemy is, and has been since 1992, us.

[jgraz]

6. Harold, shut the fuck up

What a piece of crap.

[Bluebear]

8. Who does he think he is, to be "cautioning" anybody?

[...of J.Temperance]

18. You Mr. Bluebear get a

Free pass on ANYTHING from me.

You could say:

FUCK THE FUCKING DLC!!!!

And it'd be A-OK with me :)

[Cha]

64. Say it!

Bluebear!

[sandnsea]

9. "the way the president has gone about fighting"

I wish somebody would start focusing on the actual war supporters. The Clintons and DLCers did not oppose the actual war in 2003 & 2004, they just opposed the way Bush was fighting it. THEY are the ones that the media kept talking about when they said there was no difference between the Democrats and Bush and that the Democrats wanted to "stay the course" too. Hillary said that, not John Kerry.

[sampsonblk]

24. Kerry from 10/8/04 Pres. Debate

From the October 8, 2004 debate:

"Well, let me tell you straight up: I've never changed my mind about Iraq. I do believe Saddam Hussein was a threat. I always believed he was a threat. Believed it in 1998 when Clinton was president. I wanted to give Clinton the power to use force if necessary.

But I would have used that force wisely, I would have used that authority wisely, not rushed to war without a plan to win the peace.

I would have brought our allies to our side. I would have fought to make certain our troops had everybody possible to help them win the mission." -- John Kerry

http://www.debates.org/pages/trans2004c.html

[sandnsea]

25. "if necessary"

And then goes on to say he would have used force wisely (if necessary) and that Bush rushed to war and took his eye off Bin Laden. Meaning Bush went to war when it wasn't necessary, in addition to doing it in a bad way. He does not say we needed to "stay the course" in Iraq and in fact had a plan to begin withdrawing troops in 2005.

[sampsonblk]

32. "Meaning Bush went to war when it wasn't necessary..." ?

John Kerry never had the courage to say that in a sentence. Not once.

[sandnsea]

53. wrong war wrong place wrong time

Yes he did.

[sampsonblk]

68. Right you are. I stand corrected on the quote-nt

[PassingFair]

73. Don't forget that "reporting for duty" bullshit at the convention...

:puke:

We had our chance and we blew it.

The hardest thing is listening to the same CRAP year after
year and remaining a Democrat.

Like we have a CHOICE in this country any more.

:puke:

[sampsonblk]

82. Yeah I remember that garbage

I don't want to remember too much of the Kerry campaign. It was tough to watch the whole disaster unfold.

[Tsiyu]

10. Note to Hariold Ford: "You "caution us?" Dude...get a grip......"

"If we knew then what we know now … I was in the Congress; I would not have voted for the resolution. But at the same time, we're in a different place now. I caution anybody who continues to talk about the past on this issue." Harold Ford



Interesting...a little authoritarian threat there, Harry?

Are you now reduced to lecturing us like the Big Money Politician you wish to be?

Some people - including myself - were duped for a while. Only an idiot wants to hide that fact. But when it comes to choosing politicians with JUDGMENT, shouldn't we be having some discourse as THE PEOPLE as to who showed the best judgment way back when?

My brother was correct. One of my sons was correct.

A boatload of Democrats and others on this site were right. Iraq is the every bit the bloodbath, the quagmire, the murderous money pit they said it would become.

Rather than trying to erase the slate and make yourselves all seem clean, Mr. Politician Man, step aside while Jolene and Jasper Q. Public look back for a bit to determine which leaders showed the most wisdom, restraint and honor.

Who cared back then about human life? Who said "This is wrong?"

If you truly care about your nation. And the Public who make it possible. Shut the hell up while we the PEOPLE sort it out.

You lost your last election, anyway, so who are you to tell us what to do this election season? Take a long look in the mirror, Dude, and cut that egotistical, "I-Know-Better-Than-You" crap.

Obviously you DON'T know better than a lot of your fellow Democrats.

[...of J.Temperance]

17. The anti-DLC crowd from the Left who insist on fighting us, as Harold Ford Jr. says

The Left who constantly want to fight the DLC, only succeed in strengthening the GOP.

The DLC isn't the enemy, I wish people would try and understand us more....we WANT the SAME things as you do, we're all in this together.

I swear some people only have to see the letters DLC, and they have a fit.


On Edit: Missed word

[eridani]

27. No, you don't. You want an imperial military boot up the world's ass

We think that we can;t fucking afford any more world domination and blowing the lion's share of our wealth on the conquest of a diminishing resource, and that we need to throw everything we have into inventing the post-oil economy, ASAP.

[...of J.Temperance]

28. Yeah....whatever....

IF that's what you want to believe about the DLC, go ahead and believe it....it doesn't mean you're correct about us though.

[Tsiyu]

63. Darlin, this ain't about your precious DLC

nowhere in MY post did i even mention the DLC, but you found a way to insert the name of your pet organization in your response anyway. Why?


I am a Tennessean who is just trying to survive. Your petty political posturing means NOTHING to me.

Ford has spoken out AGAINST what I consider my interests too many times. I've met him. I find him arrogant and smug and trying very hard to be a Big Money authoritarian (with nada to back it up) POLITICIAN.

By the way, are you on Harry's payroll? Why did you feel the need to jump in here and defend him?

And the whole DLC defensive thing: you crack me up....

[Jax]

76. It is so transparent

and pathetic.

Very, very transparent. But it cracks me up too buddyhollysghost.

[Tsiyu]

91. Hear those crickets Jax?

Our 'temperance' doesn't want to address anything substantive...just play happy little DLC cheerleader and we'll all go along....


Your words are so right on... it's pathetic and transparent...."If you're not with us you're against us..." Uh huh...well, we the American public are saying the same thing!



:hi:

[Richard Steele]

45. Howzabout YOU understand something: the DLC -DOES NOT- want the same things we do.

To say they do is just ridiculous.

We DON'T want the occupation of Iraq to continue;
We DON'T want to hand the functions of Government over to for-profit businesses;
We DON'T want to elect lifelong Repubs wearing (D) masks.

They are a Corporatist CANCER within the Democratic party,
and THEY are strengthening the GOP by serving the same interests
and answering to the same masters that it does.

[Cha]

65. Hey, buddy...thanks for not..

"hiding it"! So many idiots around now.

[DeSwiss]

11. How revolting....

...and I was FORCED to vote for this shitbag last year! I needed a shower afterwards....

- Anybody got any room left in a Blue State????

[mmonk]

33. No one is forced.

[DeSwiss]

36. Of course they are....

....the same way I'll probably be voting for Hillary next fall.

Just watch.

[mmonk]

41. It's still a choice.

[Individualist]

52. Hear, hear!

I did NOT vote for Ford. There was no way in hell I'd support anyone who voted for torture.

Note to DLC rah rahs (that I haven't already put on ignore) before you chime in with your accusations that I voted for the republican: I voted for the Independent candidate.

[Solly Mack]

21. If we knew then what we know now

snort

[PassingFair]

75. Who could have foreseen? n/t

[sampsonblk]

23. Fuck Harold Ford

He's been wrong all along, and he's one of those clowns who has clamored for weakness because its good strategy. Turns out it was just as stupid as we thought.

[deacon]

26. He's 100% wrong. It's exactly what we SHOULD be doing. n/t

[AzDar]

29. Moron.

[mmonk]

30. Warning to Harold Ford:

I will work tirelessly to end the cancer in my party. Take that as you will.

[Hubert Flottz]

31. Harold would make a dandy 11 bravo...

If he thinks the war is right why is he here in America and not in Iraq supporting the troops.

[The Wizard]

93. Send Harold Ford

to Iraq where he can hump an M-60 in place of someone who's had three tours.
Some of us defend the flag so others can wave it. Some of us defend the Constitution so others have the right to piss on it.

[Hubert Flottz]

98. I don't think guys like Harold ever serve...

they just cheerlead from a very safe distance. The only horn Harold will ever blow will be his own.

[Tektonik]

35. Fuck Harold

Forgetting the past is always a good way to look at politics. Let's forget our country's history of racism, treatment of the poor, our military-industrial complex, etc. Let's all look to the future with bright smiles and tunnel vision! :eyes:

[WillyT]

37. "Ford\Lieberman... Party Of Two ?"

:evilgrin:

[spanone]

39. we best talk about the past in iraq. otherwise it will become our future in iran

[madfloridian]

90. Yes, I agree. The words the media are soundng the same as then.

:hi:

[mod mom]

40. The DLC wants us to forget that they were behind this disastrous war!

[truebrit71]

42. Harold Ford, a thankfully, unelected DINO...

...we don't need your kind of bush-apologist bullshit in this party Mr Ford...go sell your shit somewhere else...

[madfloridian]

51. This is called "regime change" and "pre-emptive war", Harold Ford.

There is no other name for it.

My, how our country has fallen. So openly advocating it.

[tabasco]

55. Yeah, these guys should just be forgotten.

[yardwork]

57. Pay no attention to the mistakes of the past! Just keep driving the country over the cliff!

Anyone who looks at the past is unpatriotic!

What a dumbshit.

[Cha]

59. This isn't going to be very nice..but,

harold ford can take his cautionary finger and ram it up his cautionary ass. I'm so sick of that pandering sycophant.

[robertpaulsen]

66. Nice job of sounding just like Ari Fleischer.

You "caution" me? Meaning I should "watch what I say"?

FUCK YOU DINO.

[Mnpaul]

67. Ford is an idiot

He thinks he is smarter than the rest of us but we aren't the one appearing on Fauxsnooze while they post silly crap underneath his picture. The do it numerous times but he never catches on.

[Horse with no Name]

69. Fucking quisling.

Doesn't he have someone to scam? Why is he relevant?

[spanone]

70. i saw ford speak before the 2004 election. he not only voted for war, he promoted it.

he was completely unashamed of his vote and said Saddam going down was worth it. that is why he lost tennessee. imho

harold cautions us not to remember what an extreme hawk he was.

[madfloridian]

72. If we attack Iran, it will be another war of "pre-emption"....I fear we are going to do it.

We think they may cause troubles in the future so let's attack them now?

Our party is scaring me very much by trying to quiet us about this. And why aren't some of our leaders speaking out saying we don't do pre-emptive wars?

[spanone]

74. the bu$h* doctrine of pre-emptive war is alive and well in the WH & Congress

[PassingFair]

77. Do you want ARABS to have HEGEMONY in the MIDDLE EAST?

Why do you hate America?

I have actually HEARD this!

Hegemony is their "word of the week".

[Jax]

78. Thank you for posting this madfloridian

You bring the facts that make the right wing corporate dems heads explode.


:thumbsup:

Kicking, nominating, outstanding. As usual.

Shut up Harold, and take that idiot Rham Emmanual with you...

Alyce

[Joe Fields]

79. I would never support a politician who supports nation building.

The most arrogant and aggressive act a nation can take is to invade another on the premise that the invader knows what is best for the subjugated country. We will NEVER have the right to commit an unprovoked invasion, then reshape the government of the country we invade.

[AX10]

80. There wasn't much of a loss when Bob Corker won.

Harold Ford Jr. is a DLC stooge! The less of his kind, the better!

[madrchsod]

81. . "The anti-DLC crowd from the Left

who insist on fighting us,.." from the left? well where else...oh wait a minute he`s a centrist...taking the worse from the right and nothing from the good of the left..yup he dlc and so is.....

[sampsonblk]

84. "Don't bring up Iraq, because we fucked up too!"-nt

[tnlefty]

87. Oh, suck it Harold. Forget your fiancee' and get thee to the

nearest recruiter's office!

[ulysses]

89. standard DLC cowardice and doublespeak.

"Our fight is not with one another"? Sorry, but it sure as fuck was in 1985, and has been since then, up until they started getting heat from the left. Now, the left is the one empowering the GOP? Fucking please.

[blackspade]

96. Blackspade to Harold Ford:

Blow me.

This guy is a total douche-bag and has no place in politics.
I am not a child and to have this hack treat me and every other progressive that 'dares' to ask questions and examine how we have managed to get to the shitty place our country is today is insulting.

The DLC=rethugs in Democratic clothing

[amb123]

99. Harold Ford and the DLC are Self-Loathing Democrats

. . . who have swallowed the GOP lies of the past 27 years about how Liberalism is evil.

There are but two parties in America - Liberal Patriots and Christian Fascist Traitors. Democratic "conservatives" and those who speak words of "moderation" are gutless political cowards who are willing to sell the Constitution, the Bill of Rights and the Democratic Party down the river just because they don't want to called names.

Ford and the DLC'ers have made their choice.

I caution the DLC'ers in my party. GET THE HELL OUT OF MY PARTY!