DU THIS POLL: Re. Illinois Law Mandating "Silent Reflection and Student Prayer Act" In Schools

[orleans]

http://www.chicagosuburbannews.com/glenellyn/homepage/x1633043278

before it was optional, now it's mandatory!
the governor vetoed it, and the illinois house & senate overrode his veto

"Synopsis As Introduced
Amends the Silent Reflection and Student Prayer Act to require (instead of allow) a teacher to observe a brief period of silence at the opening of every school day with the participation of all pupils assembled. Effective immediately."

http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/BillStatus.asp?DocNum=1463&DocTypeId=SB&GAId=9&sessionid=51

[rurallib]

1. We used to have those in the Catholic school I went to

they were almost always interrupted by farts, dropped pencils, laughter etc.
You can give a student silence, but you can't make them pray. Have fun kids.

[EST]

2. If a student needs this, he can make special arrangements or

do it at home. This is outrageous and so wrong on so many levels!

Do you agree with the new law requiring a moment of silence during the school day? <301 votes total>

Yes (169) 56%
No (132) 44%

[MadMaddie]

4. What's so ridiculous about this is the people that pass this

act as if this will make the kids more reflective and perfect.

If someone wants their kid to pray in school then send them to a Catholic or other religious school. Public taxes used for public schools should not be used for this.

[City Lights]

3. done. stoopid law.

I can't believe the House and Senate overrode Blago's veto. :mad: What a waste of time. I work in an IL school, and I challenge the idiots who passed this law to make me observe it.

[DeSwiss]

5. Here's the latest....

Do you agree with the new law requiring a moment of silence during the school day? (318 votes total)

Yes (173) 54%
No (145) 46%

And I found an interesting post there as well:

Posted By: Rush

Posted On: 5 min, 14 sec. ago
Views: 7
MOMENT OF SILENCE
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This poll has been polluted by a fringe leftwing web site (democratunderground). They are trying to spam it.

We're the fringe???? :shrug:

[EST]

9. To someone who proudly uses "Rush" as a moniker,

no doubt we are the "fringe." I live in Illinois and, although i haven't any kids in school, this is of importance to me.

[immoderate]

6. Want silence? Give a quiz!

Those who want to will pray. I used to give my students a choice between praying and reviewing their notes. They know which gets results.

--IMM

[derby378]

7. 53% Yes, 47% No

Pour it on, DUers!

[fujiyama]

8. A moment of silence?

This is a joke. I know I would have been using this time to catch a few extra minutes of sleep by putting my head down....or cramming before a Friday exam.

This is ridiculous. It's a waste of time and as the other poster said, kids used this time to drop pencils, fart, or as I used to do - smack my textbooks.

BTW, have silent prayer laws been ruled unconstitutional? I thought they had. Of course, the SC has shifted rightward, so such laws could be considered A-OK now!

[Ian David]

19. I would rather a moment of sticking their heads out the window and shouting...

"I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it anymore!"

[Ian David]

10. Freepers are pissed at us

Do you agree with the new law requiring a moment of silence during the school day? <346 votes total>

Yes (182) 53%
No (164) 47%


Posted By: Dingle Berry
Attempt the skew the results.....
The DUmmies at democraticunderground are trying to change the results by telling their sheep to vote no on this poll.

[orleans]

16. yes, well, here is a comment posted there by orleans

those of you who think prayer in school is great

you are forgetting the first amendment of the constitution which says: CONGRESS SHALL MAKE NO LAW RESPECTING AN ESTABLISHMENT OF RELIGION and this illinois law is doing just that. this law is ILLEGAL!

"the Silent Reflection and Student Prayer Act to require (instead of allow) a teacher to observe a brief period of silence at the opening of every school day with the participation of all pupils assembled. Effective immediately."

if my tax dollars are going to pay for public school kids to pray then i want the churches to be taxed!

a minute of "prayer" equals 3 hours taken out of their education every school year. we can't afford that. what else can republicans and dinos think of to dumb-down our children's education? they don't want to teach science. haven't they already done enough damage with NCLB?

apparently the illinois legislature needs a refresher course on the constitution and the amendments. my only hope is that they go after the 2nd amendment next.

[hfojvt]

17. that was you?

I almost posted a comment to answer it. It is wrong in so many ways. First, you edited the amendment taking out "or prohibiting the free exercise thereof". Secondly, this was not done by Congress, it was done by the state Legislature. A state legislature which is majority Democratic, and still voted to over-ride. A bi-partisan effort that Democrats assisted on. Too bad Republicans would not assist for SCHIP. Maybe kids in Illinois will be able to pray for good health.

[orleans]

18. how is it a free exercise thereof when it is mandated?

i guess i'm a little dense--i didn't realize states could mandate prayer. maybe they can?

[HockeyMom]

11. The kids walked out of class

when one teacher tried to have them stand for moment of silence at the beginning of the school day. These were Juniors in HS. Five others, including my daughter, just sat in their seats and stared at the teacher. NOT ONE student in that class of about 25 stood for that moment of silence.

This teacher did this totally on her own. The parents of these kids called the school to complain about what she did. When word got around the school of what happened, other parents called to complain too.

The teacher was reprimanded and she stopped doing it. The following school year she was gone.

Bottom line is if the students AND parents don't want a moment of silence the schools will have to listen to them. I most certainly did and would complain about it.

[orleans]

14. if i had a kid in school at that grade (k-12) i'd complain but what

are the admins gonna do--it's the fucking LAW now.

i wish someone would organize a school protest

[HockeyMom]

22. The kids can refuse to do it

They can sit in their seats and read a book. You cannot FORCE somebody to pray which is what this moment of silence is all about. Trust me I know. Went through 12 years of Catholic school. If a kid doesn't want to pray, nobody is going to make them. At the very least, they may as well be reading the phone book for all it's worth.

[Poiuyt]

12. Oh oh, we've been outed

Dingle Berry said:

"Attempt the skew the results.....

The DUmmies at democraticunderground are trying to change the results by telling their sheep to vote no on this poll."

[DemBones DemBones]

13. What a joke -- the freepers used to tell others how to vote multiple times in a

poll and "freep" it. They freeped an online poll that Novakula used to argue that the American people wanted an end to the recount in Florida in 2000.

The online polls today are harder to cheat on and so the freepers can't get things their own way. We outnumber them so we can outvote them on polls.

[Ian David]

20. All Your Polls Are Belong To Us! n/t

[Ian David]

21. Sheep?

Have the seen some of the flame-wars here lately?

For god's sake, we even have people here supporting Joe "Advise and Consent to Everyone" Biden for President!

We have people fighting over things ranging in importance from Israel to Ellen's dog, immigration to Bill Maher... and they call us sheep?

We're not sheep.

We're more like a pack of angry house cats that have been kicked around by a dumb-ass chickenhawk fundie suicide cult fanatics intent on destroying the world because they think they can get to Heaven without dying if they kill enough people.

And when we're not too busy clawing at one another, we occasionally turn our anger and our energy on our real prey-- our real enemy.. the Couchwaffen GOP Freepers, with the "W'08" bumper-stickers and the "Terrorist Hunting Permits" on their cars.

[The Straight Story]

15. Maybe they could take Birth control pills during that moment of silence

:hide:

[orleans]

23. i laughed when i read your response. just now i went to check on

this poll--to see how the results are going and got this:
Sparklit.com - Poll Not Found

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If you are the administrator of this poll, the poll may have been deleted for breaching the Terms of Service.



so...? did they take the poll down because results weren't going the way they expected?