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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 11:32 AM
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A Playboy cartoon - "the moral of the story is..."
Decades ago - my dad subscribed to Playboy and we kids, my brother and I, used to find his stash and giggle through them. This cartoon has stuck in my head all these years. If I could find a link I'd post it. If you have it, please post.

The cartoon:

The picture was of an old couple - in their 90s from the looks of them. The man was in a wheel-chair, the woman wore a shawl over her shoulders and was bent over and supporting herself with a cane. They were both grey and wrinkled to an extreme. They stood before the minister in what was obviously a marriage ceremony. The caption read:

"They waited until the time was perfect."

The moral of that goofy cartoon -

you can wait to Act until things are 'Perfect' by your measure,

OR you can Act Now and contribute the creation of your vision of 'Perfection'.

Wisdom from Playboy. Who'da thunk it? :D



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TlalocW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 11:35 AM
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1. You read the cartoons in Playboy when you were a kid?
:)

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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 11:44 AM
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2. Hey, c'mon, give him a break!
After all, I'm sure he didn't just read Playboy for the articles. ;-)
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 11:47 AM
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6. Psst,
I'm a 'girl.' That may have had something to with it. :D But, yeah, I looked at the pictures, too - they didn't make the same impact. Could be the 'girl' thing again? LOL

I was also obsessed with reading - which continues to this day.

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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 11:49 AM
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9. If you checked her profile her sex is given as "Female".
No other information, but I doubt she was looking at the nudes WITH her brother (and I doubt he looked at the nudes with her around). Thus she was one of the fe to read Playboy just for the Articles (Which tended to be well written, especially at that time period).
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 11:54 AM
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10. Hi, happyslug.
You're correct, of course. Speaking of 'well written,' apparently I could use some practice so my posts are more clear. My brother and I, separately, found my dad's stash. I just loved to read and I was only about 8 or 9 at the time. The articles were a bit 'beyond' me but the 'cartoons' were usually well within my grasp. So, I looked at the pictures and read the cartoons.

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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 06:55 PM
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15. I NEVER Purchased such magazine when I was a teen.
They was several shops where you could look at them WITHOUT buying them (Yes it was illegal to buy them as a Teenager when I was a teen ager). Occasionally I would find them when I took walks around town (I did not have a car so it was by foot on nothing so I did a LOT of walking when I was a teen). Yes, I am "concern" about the net and teenager seeing pictures of Naked Women!!!! To be honest it is more on a problem now, for teens today just have to typed in certain key words and they have their pictures, but remember the comment about the Average Length of people in motels watching X rated Films, the average time is 8 minutes. I know the men are watching them for the serious acting in such films for that whole 8 minutes and then tire of them for some reason (And if you DO NOT know the reason you are to young for this conversation).

Anyway, as to Playboy in the 1960s and 1970s Playboy was know have well written Articles for their customers to read after they had their 8 minutes watching the nudes. The Cartoons were (and remain) very well done as were the Playboy Jokes (My Father would even bring some home from the Post Office, if they were funny enough). You had some decline in the writing in the 1980s but when the Magazine was taken over by Hef's Daughter it tried to return to its roots of well written articles. From other commentators, the consensus is Playboy is NOT up to what it was in the 1960s and 1970s, but then NO MAGAZINE IS. You have had a severe decline in Magazines clear across the board. I joked that when I was a Teen while I could read ALL of the Articles in Scientific America, I understood less then half, that is NO LONGER THE CASE, I understand ALL OF THEM. That is frightening for my Collage Background is Business and while my Knowledge is better than it was when I was a Teen, part of the reason is the decline in the level of Articles in Scientific America. I Mention Scientific America as an example BUT this is clear across the board. I find better articles and papers on the net than I find in Magazines anymore.

Now I am a vacuous Reader. I remember reading my 10 year older brother Almanac in Second Grade (it was interesting reading about various countries of the World) and stole my older Sister Collage World History Book when I was in Fourth Grade (and she was starting Collage). So I had a good reading background which I still do. I rarely read fiction (Sorry, I prefer real life) but even with this background certain articles in Scientific America when I was a teen was difficult for me (While other I understood Completely). Hopefully I expanded my Knowledge during High School and Collage so less and less articles of Scientific America should be over my head, but when I read the Whole Magazine and understand ALL of the Articles, it not only shows the expansion of my knowledge but a decline in the level of the Articles.

This decline is NOT only my observation, but by other people writing about various magazines. Popular Science use to have articles that intrigued me, but now it is either rah rah Military, or the latest most Powerful Car/plane/boat (I rarely read Popular Science anymore it has declined so much since the 1970s). As to the Articles themselves, while no grammatical mistakes or spelling mistakes, but also nothing new (except for the latest Car/Plane/Truck/Boar/Ship).

Another Example is the Wall Street Journal. While WSJ's editorial page was always right wing (and ignored) its articles in the 1970s and 1980s tended to reflect reality not right wing dogma (In the mid-1970s for example it was the WSJ who reported the then head of the AFL-CIO George Meany's comment about the proposed Postal Contract being bad, and it was). Today the WSJ would NEVER print an Article like that even if true.

In a nutshell the decline seems to reflect several problems, but all tied in with Corporate American and the decline of Newspaper and Magazines as sources of news. One of the problems of any declining business is trying to keep market share, this becomes harder and harder as the decline kicks in, so business in decline just do NOT do anything that would give people an excuse to STOP buying their product. This was especially true in the Magazine and paper business. As the decline continued, the papers and Magazines wrote more and more "Conservative" Articles (Conservative in the sense of NOT offending anyone, not in the sense of being Right Wing).

Now this decline started in the 1960s for the papers for prior to the 1960s it was not uncommon to have 2-3 newspaper in most Cities (and some cities had 5-10). Each paper had to compete with each other for customers, with at least one Newspaper in every town tied in with the Democrats or other Liberal organization (The Hearst Papers for Example). With the 1960s you saw more and more towns become one Newspaper Cities. These newspapers tended to be tied in with National Corporations. Like any monopoly in a declining industry, the surviving papers did NOT want to chase away anyone who would buy ads or papers so such newspapers turn Conservative (Not in the sense of being Right wing, but Conservative as being careful what they said let they offend anyone).

This was aided by the Corporate agenda to print articles that only support things that show Corporations in a good light (Or if it has to be reported to keep the damage to Corporation to a minimum). With this turn to Conservative Reporting, the quality of the Reporting went downhill. Corporations were able to use their power of Adversing to make sure the Papers gave good press to them, thus leading to further Delcine in reporting.

The Magazines filled in this gap for a while, but needing National Adversing, Magazines followed the same trap as the papers, avoiding offending anyone, least someone stop buying they magazine. Some magazines were able to fight against this move, but with further consolidation in the 1980s and 1990s it became harder and harder. Thus magazines and papers ALL went downhill since the 1960s, but I have seen an vast improvement in Articles on the net. Now you also have more junk on the net (Just like you had yellow journalism around 1900 when Newspapers where at their height) but most people can see the chaff from the wheat and hopefully this will improve people's general knowledge of the world.
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 07:47 PM
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18. I agree with everything you said.
First, I grew up in a time before Playboy and other 'skin' mags went behind the counter. I saw them available in stores and sometimes there would be someone reading one over in a corner, well hidden from the check-out stand or cashier.

The corporatization of media combined with the consolidation of the corporations have resulted in a 'bottom-line before quality' mind set. I've seen it in other industries, too. The corporatization of Vegas casinos (I'm originally from Vegas) was a sad and frustrating affair and my first up close and personal look at how the profit motive destroys product quality. All the things that made the casinos great, were being cut-back and removed in the name of the all-mighty profit dollar.

Reading has always been a joy for me. Several years ago I began to notice more typos and grammatical errors in published texts; novels, fiction and non-fiction, and journals. A side note: if I spot a grammatical error, it's an obvious one as my grammatical skills are rusty - yet it made it past the pros. When I started seeing the same type of mistakes making it into newspapers, magazines and other 'disposable' media, I knew things were looking grim. It's continued on down from there. Commercial web-pages with glaring typos, resumes with glaring typos (it's your resume for crissakes! It says something about you.) and other symptoms of a populace barely learned in words, language and writing. It's very sad and I frequently wonder if it is indicative of lazy thinking.

Sure, we make typos in posts - sure my itty bitty blog and others' blogs aren't 100% - we're the only ones who read 'em! Mom and Pop's homepage of junior's baby pictures probably has some good bloopers, too. But professional publications? A resume to apply for a job? A major corporation's website trying to sell me a $1000 widget? Some things should be 'pristine.'

It has become harder and harder for me to find publications that appear to put as much emphasis on the words they print in them, as they do in trying to get me to subscribe to them.

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TlalocW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 08:26 AM
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19. Oh, check her profile... whatever
That would require my clicking on something. I have no time for that.

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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 11:45 AM
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3. I did - I was a weird kid.
:D

Now I'm a weird adult. I'm also female so maybe that influenced my choices?

LOL

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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 11:47 AM
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5. Hell yes. They had some good ones.
One that stuck in my head was a cartoon showing a small diner out in the middle of nowhere. Over the hill a huge sharp-toothed monster peered. A big sign on the diner just said "Eat."
One man inside said to the other, "I hope he can't read."


One showed a badly decayed body of a obviously blind man (dark glasses and white cane) at the front door of a building. His dried up hand still reaching for the door bell. Over the door bell is a sign that said something like "Institute for the deaf."


Another was a man, woman, and boy standing in a bedroom. The man was wearing a dress and smiling into a full length mirror. The mother says to the boy. "you're now the man of the house."

My all time favorite was a mommy Polar Bear and her two cubs. One was laying down pretending to be a bear skin rug. The mother is yelling "Cut that out!"
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 11:48 AM
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7. LOL
That bear one rings a bell!

:D

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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 12:11 PM
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13. I think it has been passed around through e-mail. The first one
I relayed was by Gahan Wilson. His work was rather dark. If and when I got my hands on a Playboy I would look for his cartoons. He also contributed to the New Yorker.

This looks like the cover of a book or magazine about Gahan Wilson.



Subtle New Yorker material
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 07:00 PM
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16. I remember that one about the dead blind guy...and wondering why
they had a doorbell at the deaf place.
:D

And reminds me of another one, probably in Nat'l Lampoon - a drawing of a restaurant with a sign
in the window that said "Braille Menus Available"...


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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 07:25 PM
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17. I see braille at the drive in ATM's.
One I liked, not sure if it was Playboy, but it took place in a living room A man, his kid and a chimney sweep were there. The text was, "I found what was blocking your chimney." In the fireplace was a dead, crumpled up Santa.
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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 12:13 PM
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14. You didn't?
Edited on Wed Feb-14-07 12:14 PM by ieoeja
Playboy cartoons are legendary. They even published an entire book of Gahan Wilson's cartoons when I was a kid.

You know what else? I read the articles! Even when I was a kid. There was some exceptional writing in Playboy. When I got a magazine I went through comics, pictorials and articles in that order.

People who just wanted porn bought Hustler.


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Possumpoint Donating Member (937 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 11:46 AM
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4. My Favorite
was the old couple laying back in the pillows after another round of whoopee thinking simultaneously "Thank You God"!
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 11:59 AM
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12. Hmm, that sounds familiar, too.
Seems a few of us in this thread were 'reading' around the same time frame. Or maybe they re-cycle their jokes?

:D

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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 11:49 AM
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8. I subscribe to playboy for my bf
It's just like my dad always says, "It don't matter where you get your appetite as long as you eat at home" :D I love the articles & cartoons, and he gets his boobies. LOL
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 11:58 AM
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11. I used to subscribe for a (now former) bf, too.
He was originally worried I'd get upset. I told him, "just don't try to hide it from me." Dishonesty bothered me - 'naked ladies'? Eh, not so much. He got a subscription from me for a birthday present one year. He looked at the pictures, I read the articles and cartoons.

:D

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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 08:28 AM
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20. "I told him, "just don't try to hide it from me." "
Amen to that! :)
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