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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 07:43 PM
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"They tortured me. ... They beat me a lot. So I told them anything they wanted to hear," he said
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5jTZHlBQGbKZQHEGGWKuA52n9lXlw

US to charge Guantanamo detainee with attempted murder
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WASHINGTON (AFP) — The United States will charge a fourth terror suspect held at its Guantanamo detention camp, an Afghan who was 17 at the time of his arrest in Kabul, the Pentagon said Friday.

Mohammed Jawad, now 22, will be charged with attempted murder in violation of the laws of war and intentionally causing injury for allegedly throwing a grenade at a US military vehicle, wounding two US soldiers and an Afghan interpreter. snip

"Nobody asked me to throw a grenade. I have never thrown a grenade. I don't understand how to throw it," Jawad said, according to redacted transcripts made public last year.

Jawad insisted that the grenade that exploded was thrown by the recruiter but that Afghan police officers coerced him into making a false confession.

"They tortured me. ... They beat me a lot. One person told me 'if you don't confess, they are going to kill you.' So I told them anything they wanted to hear," he said, adding that Americans did not mistreat him.

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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 08:00 PM
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1. Kick
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 10:16 PM
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2. knr for more exposure. n/t
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 09:42 AM
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3. Who thinks this guy wasn't tortured by the Afghan police who interrogated him?
Anyone?

Don
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 09:45 AM
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4. Not me. nm
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 09:50 AM
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5. "See?" said Mr. Bush. "We don't torture, just like I said."
We let other people do it for us.

The question that remains, however, is that since they've had Mr. Jawad in custody for five years, and they've had his confession in hand for five years (remember it was beaten out of him by his Afghan captors, who haven't had custody of Mr. Jawad since 2002), why are charges being brought only now?
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Zandor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 11:58 AM
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6. And we should believe a terrorist because?
Like saying he was coerced makes it so?
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 12:04 PM
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8. And we should believe he's a terrorist because?
Like Bushco claiming he's a terrorist makes it so?

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Zandor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 12:07 PM
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10. Mohammed Jawad tried to kill Americans
Edited on Sun Oct-14-07 12:09 PM by Zandor
Flawed as it may be, I'll trust in our system dealing with his type more than him.
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 12:21 PM
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13. Not saying I necessarily believe him, but
I sure as hell don't take anything the mis-Administration says at face value.

From the article:

Some 330 "war on terror" suspects are being held in Guantanamo at a detention camp that was created after the United States invaded Afghanistan in the wake of the September 11, 2001 attacks.

Most have never been charged with a crime.


This, among other things, tends to undermine my faith in our system...

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icnorth Donating Member (954 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 12:07 PM
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9.  And we should believe a terrorist because?
Unless you are privy to information that isn't available on this thread, that should read "terror suspect".
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Zandor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 12:08 PM
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11. If convicted, will you believe he is a terrorist?
Or will you cling to his denials as exoneration?
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icnorth Donating Member (954 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 12:12 PM
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12.  330 "war on terror" suspects are being held in Guantanamo
Most have never been charged with a crime.
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dkofos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 12:02 PM
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7. Great, throwing grenades in a war zone , at the enemy, is murder.
They have no shame, or intelligence.
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soulcore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 02:45 PM
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14. Of course it's murder...
But it certainly isn't Terrorism.

I've often used the analogy of "What if a country was to invade and occupy America in order to capture our war-criminal president? And then didn't leave?"

And the answer is always along the same lines as "I would be a terrorist."

With pride even.

Nationalism is no cover for barbarism and murder.
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Zandor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 04:41 PM
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15. Long term occupation isn't our goal
Democracy is. As ill-advised and poorly managed as the war effort has been, one stated goal, shared by Democrats and Republicans alike, is bringing democracy.

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PaulaFarrell Donating Member (840 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 10:26 AM
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17. that goal was retro-fitted
it was never used as a raionale for starting either war.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 05:07 PM
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16. Nor is there evidence that this young man
is guilty of anything other than being in the wrong place at the wrong time...
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