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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 07:20 PM
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How do sanctions promote peaceful negotiations? I don't understand
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 07:21 PM
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1. Ask a South-African
Edited on Thu Oct-11-07 07:23 PM by Kurt_and_Hunter
Sanctions frame negotioations, the same as any other factor. It's the same as asking how workers striking could encourage negotiations. All negotiations involve pressure, real or implied.
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 07:24 PM
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2. Ok... But I thought that movement came from within more than from without.
And shouldn't the country's people ask to be sanctioned? Sanctions hurt business and commerce of the people, and in a country that has limited access to real information can be easily influenced as to finding a cause for their status in life... I think that's where the overwhelming jihad shit becomes a powerful ally for factions.
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 07:26 PM
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3. Hurting them is an alternative to killing them.
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 08:48 PM
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5. Yes, it is...
We haven't been sanctioned as much as outsourced and look what it does to the people here. It drives living wage below par, drives out middle class, and causes overwhelming racist attitudes towards others... And then people run around blaming other's... This whole immigration thing causes a lot of problems and anger issues. Its almost like jihad against Mexican immigrants...

So, with an ill informed populace being suckered into finding a blame on a "different" person, causes lots of problems..

Didn't the Germans get away with blaming their economical problems on Jewish persons... The political cartoons from that era speak volumes. Govt usually does not represent the populace. Sanctions hurt moms trying to feed and keep their children safe. I don't think it helps overwhelmingly.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 10:59 PM
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8. Sorry for being snarky... its, it's true that sanctions often hurt folks that arent sensible targets
I was just saying that sanctions are part of a continuum of carrots and sticks with foreign aid and trade deals at one end and war at the other end, and sanctions sometimes lead to bringing people to the table.

Other times they lead to worsening of tensions. For example, Pearl Harbor was the next-step response to the US cutting off sales of oil and scrap iron to Japan (in response to Japan invading and occupying part of China, and so on.)
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 11:30 PM
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9. Its something to approach with caution... blanket statements and brandishing
the Iranian army a terrorist enemy is not the approach I would use. I think this is cowboy politics at its best.
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 07:59 PM
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4. If you keep poking someone in the eye, eventually they calm down.
Oh, wait ... that can't be right.

Off to consult references. BRB.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 09:02 PM
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6. The dictators can't buy their kids no GI Joe with the Kung-Fu grip
Then, the dictator sez, "Man, that kid's makin' me nuts with the begging for GI Joe's"

So, his wife tells him to start negotiatin' or she's going back to her mother in Zdwanaland.

It's a theory I'm working on for my Poli-Sci post-doc.
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 09:11 PM
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7. It's like this...
you walk up to someone, you want to get their attention, you SMACK them upside the head with a 2"X4". When they awaken, if they awaken, you have their attention and tell them how much you want to work "with" them to create a better more "peace"ful situation.

I believe it was once referred to a "cowboy diplomacy". How diplomacy got in that phrase I'm not sure.

Oh, and I don't pretend to believe this makes sense, is logical or applies "lubrication" to the peace process. But, it's the American way (we've based it on some other societies but we've made it all our own).



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