OK. HIllary Clinton

[cali]

or Ron Paul.

[hisownpetard]

1. I love breaking a tie. n/t

[cali]

3. I won't ask which way you went.

I'm just curious where folks stand.

[hisownpetard]

26. And I won't tell, except to say that each candidate had 3 votes when I started, and

when I stopped, Hillary had 4.

[A-Long-Little-Doggie]

2. None of the above... n/t

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

4. It's a good thing they have a "write in" opition on my ballot.

[YOY]

5. Between the Devil and the Deep (not-so-)Blue Sea...

The not-so Blue Sea is better by quite a bit...I guess...(That's Hillary folks.)

[rucky]

6. If we're going to play "who would you do?"...

you're going to have to come up with better options than Ron Paul.

[hfojvt]

7. Is there no less painful option?

Like maybe a sharp stick in the eye?

[dkofos]

8. What a choice, dumb or dumber

[Totally Committed]

9. None of the above.

Thanks, anyway.

TC

[Mythsaje]

10. Why in the FUCK

would ANYONE here vote for Ron Paul? Against Hillary? The guy is a Right-Libertarian ASSHOLE.

Left-Libertarian I get. But Right?

Bleh.

:banghead: stupid stupid stupid

[cali]

11. Because they don't know?

Though I did post an OP yesterday describing his political stands, and there are nearly 200 responses. Hillary hate? Anxiety to end the war at ANY cost?

[Mythsaje]

32. I'd rather crawl naked through a swimming pool full of double-edged razor blades

than see THAT creature elected President.

And, no, I don't mean Hillary.

[ismnotwasm]

40. That is exactly my problem

I'm not so found of left libertarian, but I do "get it" as well. Right Libertarian is way past nuts.

I stay out of HRC threads, but even I have to jump in when it's up against Ron Paul.

[Mythsaje]

52. I AM left-libertarian...

Police the powerful and leave the rest of us more or less alone unless we screw up.

[ismnotwasm]

55. I lean more toward socialism

But I still "get it" ;-)

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

12. What's the difference?

Oh wait, Paul's against the war.

[cali]

13. yeah, and for a constitutional amendment to legislate that

life begins at conception, and against any environmental protections, and for lowering taxes on corporations, and for privatizing social security and, and, and.

[YOY]

14. and Hillary is pro-choice

One of her merits...that I can think of.

[cali]

15. she also has a good environmental record. n/t

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

16. So she says.

But she's been supporting the war. So I can't trust her.

You?

[YOY]

18. 'bout as far as I can throw her, but that's farther than I can throw Ron Paul

...or any of the current Pub nominees.

[cali]

19. Pathetic.

She has a long pro-choice record. Let's see who do I trust more, NARAL or some chump on a board?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

20. She's got the blood of 1.2 million people on her hands.

Sorry, Cali, I'm against the war in Iraq.

No Clinton for me.

[cali]

23. Yes, she has responsibility for every pro-war vote she

cast. Particularly the heinous IWR. So did JK. But between JK and bush, it was easy. Between HIllary and any of the repukes, I won't find it much harder.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

25. And I've got the responsibility for the vote I cast.

Which is why it won't be for Clinton.

[YOY]

27. Dude if it's going to be (and I hate that inevitable BS) Hillary vs. any Republican

it most likely won't be Ron Paul. He's not their front runner and I don't expect him to pick up much slack. Granted, his folks seem to be as fanatic as some of the Hillarites here...but that means little to me...it's actually pretty dissuading personally. But I digress.

Are you saying you'd rather abstain than vote for Hillary? I can respect that (your personal choice), but I can't emulate it.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

31. No.

If Clinton wins the nomination, I'll write in Al Gore.

Then if a republican wins, it'll be the fault of the people who didn't write in Al Gore.

[YOY]

38. I can respect that as well.

Although some here would disagree with me or you. I can't tell you what to do and I know your heart is in the right place. Even purposefully abstaining would be such a way to voicing your opinion.

Me... I guess "If I must." is the line . If she continues this Iran BS, I may end up joining you. I won't be party to democrats acting like FReeps cheer leading a war just because a "Democratic" president started it. I just don't want another 'pub president.

[cali]

33. Actually, I think he's going further than that

He's saying if YOU vote for her, you'll have blood on your hands. At least that's what he said to me in another thread.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

36. Oh, I agree.

The ultimate responsibility for the war in Iraq lies with the votes. Bush voters are just as much to blame as Bush. And the same goes for anybody who votes for people who continue the war. I haven't said that before, so I think you're misrepresnting. But I'll say it now.

[cali]

39. You did say it before.

I believe on the thread about the Burmese monks. Unfortunately, it was in a deleted sub-thread, but I distinctly recall your saying it to me before.

Anyway, you really are full of it.

[YOY]

41. If that's what he wants Cali. It's his choice and we've got to respect it.

BAH means well and his actions don't hurt anyone. Hell, if enough of us felt our convictions as he does, there'd be a goddamn bloodless revolution (couldn't hurt...)

I won't be a cheerleader for any military action a president takes regardless of party (unless we've been goddamn invaded by Bulgarians thirsty for American blood or some such impossibility.) but Hill would still be better than anything any Pub will ever give us...I hope.

Y'all know I don't like her stances on most things in the least, right?

[cali]

42. I don't like her stances on many issues either

and I plain don't like her, but BAH goes waay too far when he says that anyone who votes for her has blood on their hands.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

43. So you don't think Bush voters have blood on their hands?

[cali]

45. most of them don't.

Certainly the ones in 2000 don't. And many who voted for him in 2004 are clueless. No, i hold those who engineered the war chiefly responsible, then those who voted for it and fund it. Those who voted republican, are way down my list of who's responsible.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

47. So they don't have blood on their hands because they're too dumb?

Boy, that's rich.

[cali]

48. Because they're too far removed from

the decision making process. And I don't blame all those who voted for Hitler either.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

49. Voting for him isn't a decision making process?

:rofl:

"And I don't blame all those who voted for Hitler either."

:spray:

Oh god, this just keeps getting better and better.

[cali]

54. Sorry, you really don't know enough

about history or politics or human nature to bother with. Occasionally, I've found you entertaining in a car wreck kind of a way, but you really operate on about as simplistic a level as I can imagine. People vote for all kinds of reasons, and yes, the MSM does a good job of painting things as they aren't, so people vote in a way that I think is wrong or counterproductive. That doesn't make them all mass murderers.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

56. Man, this is some funny shit.

Those Hitler voters, they were unsure of his "kill all Jews" policy but what about his views on Supreme Court nominees?

:rofl:

[YOY]

50. I really don't myself.

FReepers? Oh yeah. The cheerleaders for the apocalypse they are. Sure. Bloody hands? Lady McBeth eat your heart out.

Folks who he scared into voting for him? Sheeple? The midwestern mom who only watches local news and worries about what could kill her kids according to the talking box? No. Stupidity is not criminal. Neither is naivete.

My old man voted for Bush the second time. All 4 of his kids and wife voted for Kerry. We harass him every Thanksgiving for this. He has excused himself multiple times saying how he felt that "Bush could have done a better job of protecting this country." Finally, we got the message through to him that Bush has been whacking a hornets nest and we're more at danger and more hated than before. His kids careers (mine particularly) have suffered because of the fear-based culture Bush has inspired and that internationally we are despised (Educationally, I was supposed to be working International Development...USAID work or State Depertment...I refuse to do this now...not for "them".) He's afraid still of admitting he made a mistake but he knows. Blood on his hands? No. He's no FReep. He's not a war cheerleader. He's just a scared misinformed monolingual American...with 3 out of 4 kids with graduate degrees from Ivy League and Upper Tier schools. We still love him.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

53. Stupidity's no excuse.

That's really lame.

[YOY]

58. Ignorance than? or Naivate perhaps?

Only knowing what is let on by the daily spoon fed corporate media dribble that filters through our TVs? Being part of a culture that is indifferent to curiousity and free thinking, but awards dedication and conformity?

What can you expect? Honestly. It's what's served up every day on the TV.

Stupidity implies that they couldn't get it no matter how they try. Ignorance implies that they are not being led to get it.

No need to be nasty about it by-the-way. I though we were being civil here.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

59. No, neither.

For starters, I don't believe it. Have you been watching The War on PBS? You know those Germans living next to the concentration camps, smelling them, and saying they had no idea what was happening? Well I don't believe them and I don't believe Bush voters. They knew Iraq was a mess before the election. They all saw the photos from Abu Ghraib before the election. And they voted for it anyway.

Secondly, in this country you're given the right to vote when you're 18 and old enough to vote responsibly. Getting hypnotized by your TV is no excuse for anything.

[cali]

61. You really are as intolerant as any freeper n/t

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

63. No.

I judge people based upon the content of their character.

[cali]

64. Bullshit. Double bullshit.

You don't even know the people you're judging....just like any intolerant person.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

65. Yeah, I do.

They're people who think George W. Bush deserves reelection.

I agree I am intolerant of people who thinks George W. Bush deserves reelection. I am also intolerant of people who think the war in Iraq is a good idea. I am intolerant of people who molest children. I am intolerant of people who steal money from old widows. I am intolerant of freepers. And klan members. And holocaust deniers.

This is leagues away from being like a freeper.

[cali]

67. Right. Of course you know all those people.

Of course you do. You're just an all seeing deity- that or an intolerant person who prevaricates. I believe you're the latter.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

68. I know they voted for more of Bush.

I know that they saw the pictures of Abu Ghraib, and they voted for more of the same.

"You're just an all seeing deity- that or an intolerant person who prevaricates."

I'm just a person with basic moral standards.

[Mythsaje]

74. Or they saw the Abu Graib photos

and heard "this was the work of a few rogue agents (or whatever the fucking spin was)" and thought that THEY'RE country wouldn't knowingly do such things. There ARE people that uninformed and credulous, you know?

I was raised to take everything I heard from the government with a whole shaker full of salt. But not everyone thinks that way.

[SaveOurDemocracy]

17. Between a Dem and a RePuke? I see 10 people who

need to go somewhere else. Asswipes!

[durrrty libby]

21. You said it it. Ron Paul has a long history of racism too, and I am quite sure

these jerks know that.

[Marrah_G]

22. This is incredibly disturbing

I am hoping those who said Ron Paul are just kidding and are stirring the drama pot.

[Bluebear]

24. “If you have ever been robbed by a black teen-aged male, you know how unbelievably fleet-footed they

can be." - Clinton or Paul? Um, that would be Paul.

"I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in (D.C.) are semi-criminal or entirely criminal."


Who the fuck is voting for him in this survey?

[SaveOurDemocracy]

28. I already told you ... asswipes.

:evilgrin:

[cali]

29. I'd guess those who rage about

how there's no difference between the dems and the repukes except for dennis. In other words, those who graduated from the R.Nader school of politics.

[Mythsaje]

34. I think, rather, it can be argued

that there isn't a BIG ENOUGH difference. Not that there's "no" difference.

[cali]

37. Yes. And that I'd agree with. n/t

[durrrty libby]

60. Oh? Ron paul has a Hx of racism. That's not a big enough difference?

People are either ignorant of Ron Paul and what he stands for, or their blind hatred of Clinton
just makes them stupid

Either way, it is disgusting.

[Mythsaje]

66. The parties, not the candidates...

You seem to make a career out of missing the point.

[durrrty libby]

70. I think I can understand big enough difference. I do have a career

do you?

[Mythsaje]

73. Trying to make sense of nonsense like this, apparently...

Among other things.

[H2O Man]

30. silly n/t

[cali]

35. Perhaps.

Interesting that you felt compelled to comment on it though- considering the appreciable number of silly threads there are.

[H2O Man]

72. Context

is everything.

[book_worm]

44. Clinton--I would trust her court appointments over that of the anti-choice and very conservative

Mr. Paul.

[emilyg]

46. So would I.

[Mass]

51. Good bye social security, any type of healthcare and choice, unions, ....

Apparently 16 people voted for that. May be they are on the wrong site.

BTW, here is his website, clearly proposing all that.

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

[spoony]

62. Yeah and if babies can't hunt their own food, screw 'em

Well, he hasn't said that...yet. But his brand of "every man for himself" libertarianism would be a horrendous disaster for this country, even worse than things are now I think.

[mmonk]

57. Neither unless Hillary signs the American Freedon Pledge.

[Mike03]

69. Mystified by this Ron Paul Mania

Here in Phoenix area we have exactly ONE non-Republican talk show host, an independent named Charles Goyette, who despises Bush but is singing the praises of Ron Paul. His three hour daily program has become an infomercial for Ron Paul, and the only thing he seems to know about Ron Paul is that Ron Paul hates the Iraq war. I doubt he knows anything about where Paul stands on every other issue.

It's a bit simplistic, sickening and I'm tired of it. The one compliment I can pay the Ron Paul crowd is that they are admirably well organized.

[Raine]

71. Leave it blank

with those two choices. x(